Mo shows up...

[SackExchange]

People can say its the new NFl, but that isn't true. Calvin Johnson, Richard Sherman, Gronk, Wake, soon Dareus for the Bills, Fitzgerald, Haden, etc, etc...and I purposely didnt pick a QB. It looked like we had building blocks in Mo and Richardson...but nope. One, maybe both, are out the door one of these days. Its too bad. All we can do is enjoy watching them and ignore the voice in the back of your head that says...this is one of the last games you'll see them in a jets jersey...like Fairly and Suh.

Again...how is drafting arguably the best player in the draft in the #6 slot a bad thing?

And how does it mean Mo or Richardson is gone? It doesn't. It only gives the Jets more flexibility at that position.

 

[Superman55]

Easy! Easy!

I understand where you are coming from, but I think what it comes down to is, the Jets didn't draft who you wanted them to, and you are looking for a reason to hate the pick.

Did they pick a position of strength? Yes. But it is inconceivable that the pick hurt their bargaining. If anything, it gave them both more leverage and the ability to trade an elite player, should Williams turn out to be on the level of Mo and Richardson.

And if Williams isn't on that level, you just keep Richardson and Mo and move on from Williams. His cap hit isn't that big under the new contract.

I love Mo! I want Mo as a Jet forever! But I'm still rooting for Williams to be a stud. If Mo gets an extension, buy his jersey. No doubt.

I dont hate the pick...give me Tuck, Strahan, Kiwi, and JPP...but those guys were together a few years. This is quickly becoming Harrison gone next year, Mo the following year, and Sheldon after that. Now, I assume we'll keep Mo or Sheldon...but my ideal would be keeping them together.

Also, I dont care we didnt draft White. I predicted we'd take Peat. Do you think I would have loved the Peat pick? No way in hell...but I figured we'd stockpile picks and draft a top offensive lineman since it is a HUGE area of weakness (im sure we agree there).

I still and hoping we drafted the next Reggie White/John Randle. If you think im not excited about that, you're wrong. Im more excited about Williams heading into his rookie year then I was Wilkerson or Sheldon...though after we drafted Sheldon and I watched him play MLB and chase down Manziel for 7 solo tackles in 1 game (he finished with 13 solo tackles in that game)...I got pretty excited about him too.

Im not mad we didnt select who I wanted...im kind of used to that.

 

[Superman55]

Again...how is drafting arguably the best player in the draft in the #6 slot a bad thing?

And how does it mean Mo or Richardson is gone? It doesn't. It only gives the Jets more flexibility at that position.

Its only June. I get it...that's the message people are telling Dallas fans to get them off the ledge about Dez too these days. Calm down, Jerry cuts checks, it's only June. Well, its only June jets fans, a long time between now and September to get the Mo deal done...and it probably does. Then I can buy his damn jersey.

 

[SackExchange]

Its only June. I get it...that's the message people are telling Dallas fans to get them off the ledge about Dez too these days. Calm down, Jerry cuts checks, it's only June. Well, its only June jets fans, a long time between now and September to get the Mo deal done...and it probably does. Then I can buy his damn jersey.

Take a chance! Buy the Mo jersey now!

http://www.jetsshop.com/New_York_Jets_Jerseys_Nike_Game/Mens_New_York_Jets_Muhammad_Wilkerson_Nike_Green_Game_Jersey

 

[Savage69]

I dont hate the pick...give me Tuck, Strahan, Kiwi, and JPP...but those guys were together a few years. This is quickly becoming Harrison gone next year, Mo the following year, and Sheldon after that. Now, I assume we'll keep Mo or Sheldon...but my ideal would be keeping them together.

Also, I dont care we didnt draft White. I predicted we'd take Peat. Do you think I would have loved the Peat pick? No way in hell...but I figured we'd stockpile picks and draft a top offensive lineman since it is a HUGE area of weakness (im sure we agree there).

I still and hoping we drafted the next Reggie White/John Randle. If you think im not excited about that, you're wrong. Im more excited about Williams heading into his rookie year then I was Wilkerson or Sheldon...though after we drafted Sheldon and I watched him play MLB and chase down Manziel for 7 solo tackles in 1 game (he finished with 13 solo tackles in that game)...I got pretty excited about him too.

Im not mad we didnt select who I wanted...im kind of used to that.

And In John Randles case all you had to do was sign him because he was a UDFA.. He was a hell of a player 6 straight All Pro years 137 1/2 sacks..(4 more sacks then Abe)

 

[Superman55]

Take a chance! Buy the Mo jersey now!

http://www.jetsshop.com/New_York_Jets_Jerseys_Nike_Game/Mens_New_York_Jets_Muhammad_Wilkerson_Nike_Green_Game_Jersey

The day I buy the jersey is the day he'll be traded. I know how lucky Jets fans are.

 

[hobson54]

You know Sack, I just thought of this sitting here watching Into the Woods with my daughter. I think Im pissed because I cant buy a damn Jets jersey because I cant count on any of our studs staying on the roster...not one. You can love williams, till we draft his replacement next year. The only jersey I can wear is the damn Revis jersey, who helped the Patriots win a super bowl.

It was funny seeing the picks of Mo signing the kids jerseys of his at practice these last 3 days. All I could think is, enjoy that signature for a year or 2, because you'll hate it in 2017 when he's a Bill. Dont run out and buy a Sheldon jersey, because he screams Suh 2.0. Why buy a Williams jersey, because the next 2 years when we draft dline again, we'll make sure to have his replacement on the roster too. It would be nice to have a franchise cornerstone player we didnt obtain through free agency...

Ill wear my damn dirty Revis jersey...and wait patiently to see which of these 3 dlinemen get long term deals...then get one of those bastards jerseys too, damn. All my frustration is about which jersey to buy!

you can get a david harris jersey

 

[hobson54]

The day I buy the jersey is the day he'll be traded. I know how lucky Jets fans are.

maybe you can buy a giacomini jesey...

 

[Superman55]

One thing I didn't notice till yesterday was that the colts are going through the exact same thing with TY Hilton. He is in a contract year, I doubt they will franchise him, and just drafted Dorsett WR when the last thing they needed was another WR with Andre Johnson, Moncreif, and Hilton on the roster. They need oline help badly and anyone who can play defense...I mean anyone. I'm sure fans of the colts would love them to get a deal done with Hilton, but with the drafting of dorsett, we shall see. Have to think with a big target in Moncreif and Hiltons ability to play outside, and Johnson being on his last leg, the deal gets done...but I'm sure there is some nail biting there going on also.

For what it's worth, last week on Sirius numerous fans of other teams called about their team making a play on Wilkerson this summer. Bengals, Bears, Cowboys, panthers, numerous fans would love Wilkerson...but Sirius had stated they feel Wilkerson, Dez, and D. Thomas they arent going anywhere...it's just early in the negotiation process and nothing in the NFL gets done until just before it has to.

We shall see.

 

[Golden Rott]

Sorry if this was posted elsewhere -- Cimini's comments on the Mo negotiations from yesterday.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-je...ct-future-of-disgruntled-jets-de-mo-wilkerson

Three fearless predictions on the Muhammad Wilkerson situation: He will report to training camp next month under his existing contract ($7 million). He will play the 2015 season under said contract. He will get slapped with the franchise tag next offseason. Beyond that, it gets cloudy.

At that point, the Jets could (pick one): Sign him to a long-term deal, let him play for the franchise tender (an estimated $16 million) or execute a tag-and-trade. They also could let him walk away as a free agent and take a 2017 third-round pick as compensation, but that's unlikely.

The tag-and-trade scenario is complicated and risky, which is why we haven't seen too many in recent years. To trade a franchise player, you have to find a team willing to give up significant draft-pick compensation and commit a mega contract to the player. By rule, a team is entitled to two first-round picks if it declines to match an offer sheet for a non-exclusive franchise player, so you can bet it won't accept a whole lot less in a trade situation -- unless it's blatantly obvious the team has no plans to keep the player at a franchise-level salary. That happened in 2009 when the New England Patriots traded quarterback Matt Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs.

From the Jets' perspective, there are many variables that could dictate Wilkerson's future. What kind of player is rookie Leonard Williams? If he's the real deal, Wilkerson becomes expendable. Will Sheldon Richardson continue his ascent? If so, they will have to set aside big bucks to extend his contract in 2017, perhaps squeezing Wilkerson out of the budget. Right now, the Jets have two forms of leverage -- the franchise tag and Williams. You can't blame them for taking a wait-and-see approach. It's good business.

Clearly, Wilkerson deserves a big score. He's everything you want in a player -- talented, dedicated and homegrown. Thing is, unless he lowers his asking price, it's hard to imagine something getting done. I don't think he will bend. He wants Robert Quinn money ($14 million a year and $41 million in guarantees) and I suspect the Jets would offer only Cameron Jordan money ($11 million a year, $33 million in guarantees).

Wilkerson is right: Players who excel on and off the field should be rewarded. But this is a cold business, and he's finding out the hard way.

 

[OCCH]

Wilkerson is right: Players who excel on and off the field should be rewarded. But this is a cold business, and he's finding out the hard way.

Unfortunately, the salary cap forces teams to differentiate between doing "the right thing" and doing "the smart thing".

Without a cap I'd be screaming from the mountaintops that Woody should stop being so cheap and pay Mo what he deserves. I would've screamed the same thing for Revis three years ago. But with the cap in place I want a team that thinks with its head more than its heart. (Just look at what the last Ewing contract did to the Knicks)

If we agree the salary cap levels the playing field, we have to acknowledge this is one of the ways it does it . . .

 

[Golden Rott]

Unfortunately, the salary cap forces teams to differentiate between doing "the right thing" and doing "the smart thing".

Without a cap I'd be screaming from the mountaintops that Woody should stop being so cheap and pay Mo what he deserves. I would've screamed the same thing for Revis three years ago. But with the cap in place I want a team that thinks with its head more than its heart. (Just look at what the last Ewing contract did to the Knicks)

If we agree the salary cap levels the playing field, we have to acknowledge this is one of the ways it does it . . .

I agree. The decision the Jets are faced with is no different than decision other teams have to make given the contraints of the cap. As Superman points out above, Colts are going through the similar process with Hilton and Cowboys with Dez right now.

As much as I would love to see him locked up long term, but the other factor not mentioned in Cimini's article is Mo's comments this week that his toe injury is still bothering him, although most reports from last week indicated he was moving well in practice.

As a fan, I still hope they find a way to get it done during the summer, before the season starts.

 

[SackExchange]

If the Mo-1-3 for Kaepernick deal isn't enough of a laugh, try this one for size.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/6/17/8796925/trade-idea-eric-weddle-for-muhammad-wilkerson

After all, the Jets had an awful secondary last year. I haven't followed them this offseason, but they need some upgrades.

 

[Superman55]

If the Mo-1-3 for Kaepernick deal isn't enough of a laugh, try this one for size.

http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2015/6/17/8796925/trade-idea-eric-weddle-for-muhammad-wilkerson

After all, the Jets had an awful secondary last year. I haven't followed them this offseason, but they need some upgrades.

That's crap...but I love weddle. What would it take for you to pull the trigger on that deal? Weddle and a 2nd for Mo...would you do it? We need picks in next year's draft. I'm not asking if they would do it. Would you?

 

[SackExchange]

That's crap...but I love weddle. What would it take for you to pull the trigger on that deal? Weddle and a 2nd for Mo...would you do it? We need picks in next year's draft. I'm not asking if they would do it. Would you?

Probably. I like Weddle, as well, but I'm not sure I move Mo, only to strengthen another position of strength. The pick compensation is appealing, but just as you had reservations about acquiring more defensive linemen, I'd feel the same about the secondary.

Plus, Weddle is 30.

 

[Superman55]

Probably. I like Weddle, as well, but I'm not sure I move Mo, only to strengthen another position of strength. The pick compensation is appealing, but just as you had reservations about acquiring more defensive linemen, I'd feel the same about the secondary.

Plus, Weddle is 30.

Weddle being 30 is why I'd ask for a 2nd also. I'd hold firm; but seriously, a true center field safety behind Revis, Cro, and Skrine like Weddle. Where do you throw the football and you get a 2nd rd pick? Weddle will be all pro level 2 more years and pro bowl level 2 more I bet.

 

[cysporsche]

In the latest Jets Confidential paper, I thought Dan Leberfeld had a real good suggestion. Pay Mo now and trade Richardson next off season. He said that Richardson is already hinting about a big pay day, and will very tough to resign to a new deal. We still have Mo & Big Cat @ DE's and Richardson is better suited in a 4-3. Good article that makes sense.

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[EBoozer32]

In the latest Jets Confidential paper, I thought Dan Leberfeld had a real good suggestion. Pay Mo now and trade Richardson next off season. He said that Richardson is already hinting about a big pay day, and will very tough to resign to a new deal. We still have Mo & Big Cat @ DE's and Richardson is better suited in a 4-3. Good article that makes sense.

Go Jets...Cyborg

If you intend on doing that, then I would recommend keeping the player formally known as "Snacks" then.

You still have a top 5 "D" if Leo turns out to be a stud.