New quarterback trade possibility
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BigDan
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I think Mac is too smart to seriously consider a trade like this. He just put those pieces in place, and now he's going to show them the door, along with a boatload of money that will handcuff him in the future? I doubt it...
Doesn't turn the ball over unless it's the final drive in the superbowl to win it.
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I'm proud, I guess to be one of the apparently many "sorry, delusional" Jet fans at this terrific forum who don't think trading away a starting DE, two. QBs, one experienced and one just drafted, and a first rounder in 2016 plus god knows what else for an undersized QB who 1) has benefitted from playing with the best defense and the best RB in the league and 2) was in position to win another SB in February until he "Geno'd it all.away by passing the ball directly to a Patriot DB.
But, of course, we are ALL wrong and only one omnipotent, all seeing poster is right
As always
But, of course, we are ALL wrong and only one omnipotent, all seeing poster is right
As always
Totally agree, but is Russell Wilson a franchise QB, the kind you can pay Aaron Rodgers money because he alone is worth losing All-Pro players elsewhere (think D-line), which you have to do when you have that caliber QB who eats up that much cap space?
Obviously you do that in a heartbeat if you can get a legit franchise QB of that caliber, but is Russell Wilson really that caliber QB?
Apparently the Seahawks don't think so, and frankly I can see why.
It almost sounds crazy to suggest that he's not a franchise QB when he's already won a SB and been to a second, coming within a whisker of winning two SB's in his first two years, a truly staggering accomplishment, but upon closer inspection, how much of that was really due to Russell Wilson and how much was due to their # 1 ranked defense and a great complimentary running game?
BY NO MEANS am I suggesting Wilson was just some passenger along for the ride. That would not only be unfair, it would be wrong. This is not Trent Dilfer and the 2000 Ravens. Clearly his play has been essential to their success over the past two years, and I'll even discount the INT that iced the SB for NE. Overall Wilson has been a huge asset to their SB runs and he certainly has a unique skill set, Fran Tarkenton'esque, but he's small and not much more than an average pocket passer.
Really he's at his best when the pocket breaks down and he can use his mobility to get outside the pocket, turning would-be sacks into big gainers down the field. Like I said, its a unique skill set reminiscent of Tarkenton, and maybe he can make a HOF career out of it like Tarkenton did, but lets not forget, Tarkenton also retired as the NFL's all-time passing leader in a number of significant categories. I just don't know if I can say Wilson is as good a passer as Tarkenton was, although Wilson does have a stronger arm.
Anyway its hard to say if that kind of cap investment (100+ million) is worth it for Wilson because he's not what you normally view as a franchise QB.
Yes he has the track-record and yes he has the unique skill set, but I don't even think the Seahawks are sure that he can sustain this level of success and continue to perform like a $100M QB as a smallish, mobile QB and not a traditional pocket passer. Perhaps he can, again Tarkenton would be the model to point to if you want to argue that he can, but you'd feel a lot better about giving him 100+M if he were 6' 4" and killing defenses from the pocket.
#1 The Hawks are posturing and are NOT going to trade Wilson.
#2 Wilson is not an elite QB, and I've been following him from Collegiate High in Richmond to NC State, then finally Wisconsin. He's under 5'10" in his bare feet with an average arm.
#3 His agent wants him to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, that won't happen with the Jets.
Go Jets...Cyborg
#2 Wilson is not an elite QB, and I've been following him from Collegiate High in Richmond to NC State, then finally Wisconsin. He's under 5'10" in his bare feet with an average arm.
#3 His agent wants him to be the highest paid QB in the NFL, that won't happen with the Jets.
Go Jets...Cyborg
Thats the key right there, you said it better than me and with far fewer words, if you are paying Aaron Rodgers money for Wilson, and thats the kind of money he's looking for here, and you have to consider the cap ramifications, then you better be getting an Aaron Rodgers level QB, which is to say, one of the truly ELITE QB's in the sport.
I think the reason why Seattle refuses to pay him that kind of money, and deal with the subsequent cap ramifications, is because they DO NOT view him as that level QB, and if he insists on being paid at that level, IMO its not out of the question that they might deal him for the right package.
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Too bad Miami has Tannehill who might be good because we all know that Trader Mike would have jumped at trading a lesser QB, Suh and Wake and next years first and second rounder for Wilson in order to make the BIG TANNY SPLASH.
Thankfully Maccagnan is way to smart to do something that stupid
Thankfully Maccagnan is way to smart to do something that stupid
Maybe it would be okay for a casual NFL fan to have that point of view...people who just watch the super bowl.
Kaepernick makes 17 mill per, Dalton 19, Tannehill 19.25, and Cam Newton 21...none of which has been as good in a single year as wilson's rookie year...
26 year old, infinitely better, Super Bowl winning Wilson getting close to 25 isn't far fetched...it's what he'll get. No debate. It's what his market value is...he's better than Cam...everything says so, wins, accuracy, leadership, clean on and off the field, etc...
So again, I stand by the comment if you don't think his market value is close to 25, you dont know the market.
Bottom 15 QBs already make 19 mill per, so top QBs make more than bottom QBs. Call it arrogant to understand such things all you want...I consider it lacking football knowledge if you don't see the current sticker value of QBs today.
As long as you understand Tom Brady is just as "not elite" as Wilson...it took Brady 8 seasons before he was as statistically good as Wilson was last year.
Brady in 15 years as a QB only has 6 as good as Wilson was last year.
Yep...bum.
I think we can all agree that Seattle is a pretty smart organization. They're not getting rid of Wilson to play Tavaris Jackson anymore than Belichick was going to get rid of Brady to roll with Cassel. It's the dead time on the NFL schedule. Plenty of "rumors" like this will pop up.
If others insulted you half as often as you insult everyone else, you'd be whining constantly about being attacked.
We get it. You're the smartest guy here. You're the smartest guy anywhere. Anyone who dares hold a different opinion than yours is just stupid.
I don't know about the stats, you can twist stats to make any argument, I go by what I see and Wilson is not in Tom Brady's class. All things being equal, including age, I'd be surprised if 32 out of 32 GM's wouldn't take Brady over Wilson, especially now with John Idzik out of the GM chair.
That said, by no means am I suggesting Wilson is a bum and I'd love to have him if it didn't cripple our cap. I'm just not sure if he's worth cap crippling money. I have no qualms with paying that kind of money to an elite QB in his prime, for example Aaron Rodgers who is well worth losing a Mo Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson and Darrelle Revis. If you can get that kind of QB, its worth losing three All-Pros elsewhere, that level of elite QB is that much of a difference maker. He basically makes you a legit SB contender every year. That doesn't mean that you win it every year, but even with an average team around him he makes you a legit contender.
Is Wilson that level QB?
Thats all I'm asking, and I'm not even saying that he isn't, HE MIGHT BE, I'm just not sure because he's not what you traditionally think of as a franchise QB, but you can't argue with the results and he does have a unique skill set that probably does make him better than all of the QB's you mentioned in that prior post (Kappy, Tannehill, Newton, Dalton), but those guys are not elite QB's either in my view.
I think its fair to say Wilson is right there with Ben Rothelisberger, Tony Romo and Phillip Rivers in the tier right below the elite. I'm just not sure if he's in that small group of elites at the very top (Rodgers, Brady, Peyton, Brees) in their primes, and thats the kind of money he is looking for.
But he is way better than your boy Cam, who makes 21 mill.
Where you pegged him is where he is...right there with big Ben...and that's what we need for a ring...someone in line with Big Ben.
If Big Ben was 26, and cam just got 21 mill a year...guess how much Big Ben would get? 25...or what Wilson is asking for. You don't take less than people you're better than. That's not how markets work.
Mark Rodgers, Wilson's agent, just posted on twitter that he wish Wilson said he wanted 40 mill per year. he also hash tagged patience indicating he expects a deal to done.
Wilson and Luck will reset the market. Rodgers currently tops list at 22 mill per year...which was obviously before Cams 21...I think I'd pay an extra mill for Rodgers over cam.
Luck and Wilson both reportedly pushing for 25.
BTW - Drew Brees will be paid 26.1 mill next year...
Wilson and Luck will reset the market. Rodgers currently tops list at 22 mill per year...which was obviously before Cams 21...I think I'd pay an extra mill for Rodgers over cam.
Luck and Wilson both reportedly pushing for 25.
BTW - Drew Brees will be paid 26.1 mill next year...
Bingo! As Cy stated, it's just posturing and negotiation between management and player. No way Wilson gets traded. This is a non starter.