i understand. but again, there is nothing we can do today to change the jets QB situation. unless you are saying they should just throw petty to the wolves and put him in there today. is this your position?
still waiting for your answer on what the titans would have taken to move up to the 1st pick...
Well then every single team except one each year is wasting their time.
Do I want a Super Bowl? of course. Do we all want a SB? Of course.
I don't understand how you can be so negative all the time, especially when it appears we are headed in the right direction.
We ALL know we need a franchise QB. Have you seen one person advocating for Geno or Fitz as a long term solution? Not lately....
However there isn't a damn thing we can do about it until the 2016 draft, so why let it ruin your enjoyment of a 3-1 start with a team that is playing pretty good football right now.
I'm guessing it's because you're a "glass half empty" kinda guy.
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At the time of the draft Mariota wasn't considered a sure lock All Pro NFL QB. He wasn't even the 1st QB taken. A lot of people were saying the same thing they are saying about Petty. Not NFL ready for 2 years. There was even some long shot speculation that if the Titans didn't take him, he would fall to the Jets.
As it turned out, he is off to a smoking hot start 3 games in. We'll see if he continues it, or if the league catches up to him.
Right now I'm happy with the situation. Fitz is a smart journeymen QB, who has the team at 3-1. We have a rookie on the bench that showed some real flashes in camp. He may, or may not be, the real deal.
1/4 of the way in, it's been a fun entertaining season. Geez what's all the angst about?
As it turned out, he is off to a smoking hot start 3 games in. We'll see if he continues it, or if the league catches up to him.
Right now I'm happy with the situation. Fitz is a smart journeymen QB, who has the team at 3-1. We have a rookie on the bench that showed some real flashes in camp. He may, or may not be, the real deal.
1/4 of the way in, it's been a fun entertaining season. Geez what's all the angst about?
you will wait forvever
I want to see a post before the draft, stating we should have drafted Mariotta. Otherwise, its only being said because of the hot start
YES YES AND YES.
It infuriated me how bad Rex's Defense was on 3rd downs..
Bowles knows how to get the D off the field.
I don't get this at all and fill me in if i'am missing something.
Isn't it better for a team to be built from the inside out, have an experienced locker room and then find a young gun so that he can be groomed with the right culture around him? Isn't that what we're doing with Bryce Petty?
Fitz is playing well enough to allow this team to continue churning out wins. Allowing play makers to do what they do best. Plus, Fitz is the consummate professional. He throws a pick, bad pass or a TD, he continues on to the next play. That speaks volumes on how a young quarterback should learn from. I feel like Fitz brings more than meets the eye. Sure the guy is a stop gap QB, but he is a veteran in which we haven't had here since Vinny. There is a HUGE respect within that locker room when Fitz walks in there. When was the last time that occurred? Chad Pennington, that's when 2007.
Elite QB?? Fellas, as for now and how this team is constructed, we can win alot of games and surprise many people with Fitz at the helm. The QB of the future may come (or is already on the roster), The young gun needs to learn from a guy like Ryan.
Think about it for a second. Was Mark Sanchez an elite QB? The guy defined what a turn over machine was. With that said, we still made it t two AFCCG's. Imagine how much farther we can go with a smarter game manager. Still have doubt? Ask Jim McMahon, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson to name a few. They had with their respective teams the same formula we have here in 2015.
Isn't it better for a team to be built from the inside out, have an experienced locker room and then find a young gun so that he can be groomed with the right culture around him? Isn't that what we're doing with Bryce Petty?
Fitz is playing well enough to allow this team to continue churning out wins. Allowing play makers to do what they do best. Plus, Fitz is the consummate professional. He throws a pick, bad pass or a TD, he continues on to the next play. That speaks volumes on how a young quarterback should learn from. I feel like Fitz brings more than meets the eye. Sure the guy is a stop gap QB, but he is a veteran in which we haven't had here since Vinny. There is a HUGE respect within that locker room when Fitz walks in there. When was the last time that occurred? Chad Pennington, that's when 2007.
Elite QB?? Fellas, as for now and how this team is constructed, we can win alot of games and surprise many people with Fitz at the helm. The QB of the future may come (or is already on the roster), The young gun needs to learn from a guy like Ryan.
Think about it for a second. Was Mark Sanchez an elite QB? The guy defined what a turn over machine was. With that said, we still made it t two AFCCG's. Imagine how much farther we can go with a smarter game manager. Still have doubt? Ask Jim McMahon, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson to name a few. They had with their respective teams the same formula we have here in 2015.
Can I add Troy Aikman to that list... He was the epitome of the best game manager ever.. He was not elite... Didn't have to be with that OL and Running game and those great defenses....
Dude, your more than welcome to add him. :secret-handshake-sm
More important to include on the list would be Jim Plunkett. So many parallels to Fitzpatrick. Plunkett was another washed up QB who moved from team to team over some 10 years. Until he got to the Raiders. Then he won two Super Bowls.
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Good one
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BigDan
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Jim Plunkett bio, from Wikipedia. Lots of good info , about Plunkett and also some other average QBs who won a Superbowl.
(Interesting factoid in here: he was moved back to a backup role after winning his first Superbowl!)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Plunkett
It's so fashionable to insist that Geno is a garbage QB that I am sure that I will be pilloried for saying this, but I would rather have Geno out there now than Fitzpatrick. Fitz is a good guy, and a good enough QB to beat the mediocre teams, especially with the D that we have. But I don't believe that he is good enough to beat quality defenses, and frankly, he left a lot of points on the field against Miami with his inaccurate passing and weakness in the deep throws (the first completion to Marshall should have been a TD but it was underthrown). I fear that with Fitz at QB, the Jets won't reap the deep route benefits that Devin Smith can offer them. Now Geno was having a great camp by all accounts. He had two very good games against the Patriots last season, one of the best defenses in the league, and he gave the Jets a chance to win both of those games. Over the last four weeks of last season, his QBR was in the top five of all QBs in the league. Now it is true that the season was already lost by then, but I saw a QB who was doing a much better job of reading the D and making good decisions. I think we need to know if that Geno might even show up in meaningful games this year, in which case, with his arm strength and his legs, the Jets could have a chance at beating any team, even those with top defenses.
Okay, let the name-calling and attacks on me begin!
Okay, let the name-calling and attacks on me begin!
Pretty sure most of the name-callers have left the building, so don't think you have too much to worry about.
Having said that, I think it takes more blind faith to think Geno is the answer than Fitz (right now). No one would argue that Geno has the higher ceiling, but he has a MUCH lower floor, and that's where he's spent most of his career thus far. Maybe the Jets could scheme a way for Fitz to beat the better teams, but no scheme can compensate for mental errors, and that's been Geno's M.O. more often than not, even against mediocre defenses, never mind "quality" ones.
Personally, I'd like to see Geno one more time too, but with the same mindset as I'd want to scratch off that one last lottery ticket. I'm fully expecting to throw it in the garbage, but "ya never know". But for now I think Fitz is the right option. We're 3-1, and until he gives the CS reason to think otherwise he should keep getting the ball . . .
I don't totally disagree with you RBF, particularly the part about improving after his benching last year and the higher ceiling. I also would have liked seeing how he would have performed in preseason to see if the improvement, coupled with Gailey's 'Geno friendly' offense was real. Unfortunately that never happened and we may never get the answer about his ceiling. This is Fitz's team now and Smith finally gets to sit and watch a real professional at the helm, something that should have happened 3 years ago. We also have a promising kid in Petty who may leapfrog Smith especially if Fitz can hang in there all season long (we were a Suh foot to the head away from seeing Smith). I was a Geno supporter for the reasons stated in my first 2 sentences, but it's hard to even consider any QB on the roster other than Fitz as the starter right now.
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Winning is not about players - it's about management. You guys are 3-1 after four games, relax, don't look for "someone to blame" - a REALLY bad habit pundits & fans have. - There are NO extra points for who's pretty or who scored ...
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Have to disagree with the original poster.
Couple of things going on with Fitz as QB.
First. He is making the OL look much improved. According to PFF Smith held the ball longer then any QB in the league. That was mostly due to his struggling in making his reads. When heat finally came he would be very indecisive, and make panic plays, that would often lead to killer big sacks, or horrific interceptions. He just failed the "fight or flight" test. Stats would show that the OL sucked giving up a lot of sacks.
So far I think the Jet have only given up two sacks. That's not because the veteran OL has suddenly matured and gotten better, It's because Fitz is going through his progressions lightening fast. If no one is open he does one of two things. Either throw up a jump ball to Marshall, he is winning a lot of them, lost the one that turned into a pick in the end zone against the Eagles I think, but the DB made a great side line play. It's a good tacit.
Or he takes the ball down, and runs for positive yards. Think he had 5 rushing 1st downs against the Fish. Even though he is much more athletic, and has more speed, Smith wasn't making those plays. He was panicking and turning those rushing first downs into disaster plays.
Fitz doesn't have the arm strength that Smith has, but the ball he threw to Marshall to open the game traveled 60 yards in the air, and was a foot short of being a perfect throw. Same with the throw to Devin Smith. If he wasn't knocked to the ground, that had a very good chance of being another big gainer. Smith has a much stronger arm, but is wildly inconsistent in his accuracy on the long ball.
There is a hell of a lot more to being a good QB then having a strong arm. Smith doesn't have those tools upstairs. At least he hasn't shown them very often.
I honest believe it is possible, if Smith were QB the Jets could be 1-3 right now. 2-2 at best.
JMO
Couple of things going on with Fitz as QB.
First. He is making the OL look much improved. According to PFF Smith held the ball longer then any QB in the league. That was mostly due to his struggling in making his reads. When heat finally came he would be very indecisive, and make panic plays, that would often lead to killer big sacks, or horrific interceptions. He just failed the "fight or flight" test. Stats would show that the OL sucked giving up a lot of sacks.
So far I think the Jet have only given up two sacks. That's not because the veteran OL has suddenly matured and gotten better, It's because Fitz is going through his progressions lightening fast. If no one is open he does one of two things. Either throw up a jump ball to Marshall, he is winning a lot of them, lost the one that turned into a pick in the end zone against the Eagles I think, but the DB made a great side line play. It's a good tacit.
Or he takes the ball down, and runs for positive yards. Think he had 5 rushing 1st downs against the Fish. Even though he is much more athletic, and has more speed, Smith wasn't making those plays. He was panicking and turning those rushing first downs into disaster plays.
Fitz doesn't have the arm strength that Smith has, but the ball he threw to Marshall to open the game traveled 60 yards in the air, and was a foot short of being a perfect throw. Same with the throw to Devin Smith. If he wasn't knocked to the ground, that had a very good chance of being another big gainer. Smith has a much stronger arm, but is wildly inconsistent in his accuracy on the long ball.
There is a hell of a lot more to being a good QB then having a strong arm. Smith doesn't have those tools upstairs. At least he hasn't shown them very often.
I honest believe it is possible, if Smith were QB the Jets could be 1-3 right now. 2-2 at best.
JMO
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With Smith at QB, Jets would be 0-4 right now.
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very good post but you forgot two other important things why smith won't see the field as long as fitz is healthy.
1. fitzpatrick can read a defense that is why he can get the ball out faster.
2. he already has a chemistry with marshall. I mentioned it another thread him and marshall have hand signals for certain plays and coverages you could see it sometimes as fitz is about to take a snap he makes a very subtle hand gesture letting marshall know where to go or what he see's. Cutler would either not do that for marshall in chicago or didn't grasp the concept enough that is why he doesn't like him.
so say what you want about smith having more talent yada yada do you really think the HC wants to upset it's star wr? Fitz is making marshall and marshall is the making fitz he is the best wr fitz has had as both owens and johnson were over the wr hill when fitz was qb in buffalo and texas.
if i remeber owens retired and johnson was just traded to colts both 1 year after fitz was qb solidifying both were not who they really were when fitz was qb.
face it marshall loves fitz and bowles is not stupid enough to upset that balance.