Can we finally play Petty now to see what he has for the rest of the season!!!

[isired]

Valid points and I can't argue that. I will admit I'm one of those people your talking about but there's a flip side to that. Its just my opinion and a hunch that Petty can handle it and wont wither and cower under pressure like Sanchez and Geno has. Even if he isnt 100% ready to go. I would hope he's atleast 75% ready or would agree to not put him out there but I don't know where he is in his development. None of us do in fact.

I honestly see the Jets winning 3-4 games max this year and I don't think 9 wins will be enough for a wild card. With that said and if this is true, play Petty now and give him 6 full games to see where he is and what he can do for us. See if we have a future with him or not. I feel we could win the same 3-4 games with Petty that we could with Fitz so why not.

Now obviously the coaches wont see it this way because they know better then we all do. Besides, their job is to win now and as much as possible. If they dont feel they can do that with Petty over Fitz or Geno then ofcourse they won't play him yet. They will wait until they're mathematically eliminated before and if they play him but that might not be until game 14. Will two games be enough to judge if he can possibly be our future? I dont think so but that's just my opinion.

It looks like a lot of people disagree with me here for one reason or another and they are all valid points and that's fine. Of course I have no problem with this but there's one thing I want to point out that if you have blinders on you need to realize, with the way this team is playing they're not going to make the playoffs. I'm not quite sure what has happened but everything has fallen apart since the New England game and it doesn't look like it's going to get fixed. If Petty has shown the coaches and the team that he is atleast 75% ready and he showing some kind of promise then they should play this kid. To see if he can somewhat be the answer will or be the answer for our future before they consider drafting another QB. Give the kid some reps, he's 24 years old. Its not like he's 21 and has really no experience at the QB position (college wise) and it's totally immature. He seems to be very mature, very talented and intelligent kid. I believe and this may just be my opinion, he can do no worse then Fitz or Geno so why not play him. If he's learning the way I hope you learning Fitz and the coaches as far as reading the defenses, learning the playbook, timing throws, situational playcalling and so on and so forth they need to give the kid a shot to see what he can get from him. He can't do no worse then Fitz and I'm honestly not saying Fitz is the reason why the Jets have fallen apart but he's playing his part in it. Fitz also won't be the sole reason if/when they start winning and I'm not saying Petty will be either but he can't do not worse then Fitz so why not play him?

Can I ask, what do you base this hunch on? Have you seen more than his college film in the spread and handful of preseason series in the nfl? Because if not, I think you're taking a fantasy football approach more so than a real-life approach. More wishful thinking than opinion. Just sayin'.

I personally don't see any basis for thinking Petty "can't do any worse" at this point, whether he's 75%, 80%, or 77.636865% ready. Not saying that he couldn't be the next Brady or Rodgers, just that I haven't seen anything in his work in the league to date to make me think he will or won't be our next starting QB.

 

[jetgreen13]

I think "none" and it seems the Jets agree, judging from the fact that Fitz didn't get a week off, one way or another, while dealing with the injury, and if you believe the scribes' tweets posted above

I think that's the thing, how they pick will let us know how confident they are from what they've seen so far.

agreed..

 

[jets82]

The way this team is playing right now, the past five games? Agreed, they miss the playoffs. The way they played the first five games? On pace to be the higher seeded WC. The truth is somewhere in the middle, which is why your whole record counts, not just portions of it.

I don't see throwing Petty in this year helping his development, nor does it help the team win games. All it does is satisfy the curiosity of fans, and the hunger of those who want a change.

I agree and can't debate what your saying but this just tells you how I feel about Fitz then, doesn't it? No shots against Fitz but he's a nice stop gap to have for our starter. Hopefully that is Petty. Fitz is the perfect back up and can carry you for the 3-4 games in sperts if you need it but he isn't a franchise QB a full year starter. His negative traits will start to show eventually in this scenario as they are now. Now the losses arent all on him but we all see his deficiencies.

Its even more on the coaching and other players around him not showing up. Especially this high priced, big named but low performance defense that has been bitch slapped since after the Pats game. By saying Petty can't do no worse to me is saying he's ready to give us what Fitz can and can develop more to become better with the real game actions reps. Is that saying that will be enough to go to the playoffs, NO but I dont think were going with Fitz or Geno so whats the difference.

 

[SackExchange]

Fitz is a good groomer because he is about as smart as you are going to find. Granted, he makes some moves on the field that don't seem that smart, but his value is in position meetings and in the film room.

 

[jets82]

Let me put this in another way and let's look at it like this Jets faithful. This may only be my opinion and that's fine but I believe the Jets will only win three or four max games out of the six that are left. This is regardless of Petty, Fitz or Geno playing. IMO, 8 wins definitely wont be good enough and I don't think 9 wins will get us a wild card game either. So with that said, the Jets winning 3-4 games and not making the playoffs with Fitz or Geno isnt good enough and will be very frustrating. Same scenario with Petty and its very promising because they won 3-4 out of 6 games with the rookie QB. This is ofcourse with Petty doing his part in getting the wins and not the defense and running game carrying him.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

The remaining six game schedule looks like .....

HOME vs Miami
AWAY @ New York
HOME vs Tennessee
AWAY @ Dallas
HOME vs New England
AWAY @ Buffalo

My guess is that if we lose the next two games will see Petty in the home game against Tennessee

 

[mykcuz]

We all saw this Texans game or watching it literally as I'm starting this thread. We all see how horrible the Jets have now become for whatever reason. So I ask you, can we finally start playing Petty now to see what he has being that we will only win about 2-3 more games this season? With or without Fitz this team sucks and this is no shot against Fitz but the Jets as a whole suck.

No offense personally, but this has to be the worst possible idea. And honestly, I don't think you understand what you are seeing.

Fitz just had surgery 9 days ago! The line got destroyed, yet he still put out sponge amazing throws on the money. If it weren't for Devin smith forgetting how to catch a Damn ball, and Marshalls weekly killer drop, we would have an extra 14 points.

But Fitz was getting murdered, and making great throws. I'm leaving him in.

If our season is lost, which it's not, why would you want petty to go in behind a terrible o line? Do you wish him great harm? He could get sanchezd, or worse, luckd, who lacerated his kidney because Indys line is so bad.

Petty is a project, he will not see the field for 2 years, if he does it means something very bad happened. This admin has a plan. They like petty, but he's not a pro qb yet, let them groom him and be PATIENT!

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[jetgreen13]

No offense personally, but this has to be the worst possible idea. And honestly, I don't think you understand what you are seeing.

Fitz just had surgery 9 days ago! The line got destroyed, yet he still put out sponge amazing throws on the money. If it weren't for Devin smith forgetting how to catch a Damn ball, and Marshalls weekly killer drop, we would have an extra 14 points.

But Fitz was getting murdered, and making great throws. I'm leaving him in.

If our season is lost, which it's not, why would you want petty to go in behind a terrible o line? Do you wish him great harm? He could get sanchezd, or worse, luckd, who lacerated his kidney because Indys line is so bad.

Petty is a project, he will not see the field for 2 years, if he does it means something very bad happened. This admin has a plan. They like petty, but he's not a pro qb yet, let them groom him and be PATIENT!

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i was with you until the bolded part..

we as jets fans looking from the outside in can't possibly give a definitive timetable of how long petty needs to be groomed before playing..

edit: i was with you after your first sentence until the bolded part..

 

[gastineau]

Come on guys, You cant put Petty in until he is ready. The NFL is only the best all star Players from College from last few years & the speed & talent is every Player at NFL level. Big jump for a QB who has to learn the Offense book & be able to read Defenses at the line & audible the CORRECT play in seconds. This is a lot to ask from Petty. Only the Coaches & QB coach will know if Petty could be ready & even then it would be only limited Plays. The Defense would wise up to the same series over & over & you know the D is Blitzing any Rookie QB to test him under pressure. I rather wait until Petty is ready , we dont need another Rookie QB gun shy from getting beat up & ruin his confidence to play at NFL level. Qb has to be the smartest on the field & put in more time than most other positions. Look at Peyton Manning.

 

[gastineau]

Big factor is if Petty is willing to put the time in to learn. Geno in 3 years hasnt learned basic's & says he is Pro Bowl caliber QB. This tells me he isnt willing to take time in learning because he thinks he knows it all. Hence Geno's same garbage & telegraphing his passes.

 

[mykcuz]

Big factor is if Petty is willing to put the time in to learn. Geno in 3 years hasnt learned basic's & says he is Pro Bowl caliber QB. This tells me he isnt willing to take time in learning because he thinks he knows it all. Hence Geno's same garbage & telegraphing his passes.

True, the difference is that I feel this new front office is tight lipped but honest, unlike idzik who said everyone is the greatest.

I know everyone felt petty developed a lot in preseason, that makes me hopeful. They also have kept him out of the spotlight, which means he is being a team player and following directions, not just trying to find endorsements in ny market.

That puts us in the position of power and if he does start looking bad behind closed doors, he would still have trade value to other teams who think he has potential.

All of the reports coming out indicate the gm believes petty has 2 or 3 years of benching to do, those aren't my opinions.

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[jets82]

Can I ask, what do you base this hunch on? Have you seen more than his college film in the spread and handful of preseason series in the nfl? Because if not, I think you're taking a fantasy football approach more so than a real-life approach. More wishful thinking than opinion. Just sayin'.

I personally don't see any basis for thinking Petty "can't do any worse" at this point, whether he's 75%, 80%, or 77.636865% ready. Not saying that he couldn't be the next Brady or Rodgers, just that I haven't seen anything in his work in the league to date to make me think he will or won't be our next starting QB.

you're right everything I've seen and heard is no more than what you mentioned and that's all that I have to base this off of but he seems like a bright young kid with a lot of talent. So how much time does he need before he's ready to play, I'm just curious?

 

[isired]

you're right everything I've seen and heard is no more than what you mentioned and that's all that I have to base this off of but he seems like a bright young kid with a lot of talent. So how much time does he need before he's ready to play, I'm just curious?

The only thing that I can say with even a reasonable amount of certainty is that I don't know.

I think you know that you generally wouldn't expect a 4th round QB to see the field his rookie year. If he was going to, you likely would have heard some serious buzz that he really impressed the staff in camp/preseason, kind of like what happened with Wilson in Seattle - you didn't have to be a Seahawks fan to have heard that chatter, just a casual NFL fan. That was an extreme, obviously, as he started opening day from the 3rd round.

Look at the guys drafted in the 4th 2 years ago, they're in their 3rd year now: Landry Jones,Tyler Wilson, Ryan Nassib, Matt Barkley. In their 3rd year it took some extreme situation to get one of them some playing time.

If you want some responsible forecasting, unfortunately that's all that we have - historical data. It's not pretty, and keep in mind that may of these QBs were playing in an offense that had them under center making multiple reads...

I found this among a study of QBs drafted from 1994-2013 - 28 fourth round QBs in that span (classified by the author):

The Good:
David Garrard
Kyle Orton
Aaron Brooks

The Class of 2013:
(Guys in their 3rd year now, so Petty in 2 years)
Landry Jones
Tyler Wilson
Ryan Nassib
Matt Barkley

The Ugly:
Danny Kanell
Stefan LeFors
Pat Barnes
Rohan Davey
Stephen McGee
Chad May
Luke McCown
Steve Stenstrom
Chris Weinke
Mike Kafka
Dave Barr
Danny Wuerffel
Jesse Palmer
Joe Germaine
Jeff Lewis
Rohan Davey
Stephen McGee
Chad May
Luke McCown
Steve Stenstrom
Chris Weinke
Mike Kafka
Dave Barr
Danny Wuerffel
Jesse Palmer
Joe Germaine
Jeff Lewis
Doug Nussmeier
Perry Klein

The Fun:
Rob Johnson
Seneca Wallace
Kirk Cousins
Sage Rosenfels

So history tells us that Garrard, Orton and Brooks are his likely best-case. And a Doug Nussmeier-type career is more likely. Of course this means nothing, because there wasn't a Tom Brady until there was a Tom Brady.

One somewhat alarming piece of info - it seems that more UFAs have had some kind of an impact in the league than 4th round picks.

 

[usapaw]

Now list the 1st, 2nd & 3rd round busts....

 

[Mugatu]

The only thing that I can say with even a reasonable amount of certainty is that I don't know.

I think you know that you generally wouldn't expect a 4th round QB to see the field his rookie year. If he was going to, you likely would have heard some serious buzz that he really impressed the staff in camp/preseason, kind of like what happened with Wilson in Seattle - you didn't have to be a Seahawks fan to have heard that chatter, just a casual NFL fan. That was an extreme, obviously, as he started opening day from the 3rd round.

Look at the guys drafted in the 4th 2 years ago, they're in their 3rd year now: Landry Jones,Tyler Wilson, Ryan Nassib, Matt Barkley. In their 3rd year it took some extreme situation to get one of them some playing time.

If you want some responsible forecasting, unfortunately that's all that we have - historical data. It's not pretty, and keep in mind that may of these QBs were playing in an offense that had them under center making multiple reads...

I found this among a study of QBs drafted from 1994-2013 - 28 fourth round QBs in that span (classified by the author):

The Good:
David Garrard
Kyle Orton
Aaron Brooks

The Class of 2013:
(Guys in their 3rd year now, so Petty in 2 years)
Landry Jones
Tyler Wilson
Ryan Nassib
Matt Barkley

The Ugly:
Danny Kanell
Stefan LeFors
Pat Barnes
Rohan Davey
Stephen McGee
Chad May
Luke McCown
Steve Stenstrom
Chris Weinke
Mike Kafka
Dave Barr
Danny Wuerffel
Jesse Palmer
Joe Germaine
Jeff Lewis
Rohan Davey
Stephen McGee
Chad May
Luke McCown
Steve Stenstrom
Chris Weinke
Mike Kafka
Dave Barr
Danny Wuerffel
Jesse Palmer
Joe Germaine
Jeff Lewis
Doug Nussmeier
Perry Klein

The Fun:
Rob Johnson
Seneca Wallace
Kirk Cousins
Sage Rosenfels

So history tells us that Garrard, Orton and Brooks are his likely best-case. And a Doug Nussmeier-type career is more likely. Of course this means nothing, because there wasn't a Tom Brady until there was a Tom Brady.

One somewhat alarming piece of info - it seems that more UFAs have had some kind of an impact in the league than 4th round picks.

Outstanding post. This is why we need to draft another QB early In 2016.
You can't count on anything until you get your guy. Worst case scenario if Petty works out and we draft another QB, we have two good QBs an an asset down the road.

I am guessing the chance that Petty turns into a franchise QB as less than 5%, and I am being very generous.

 

[isired]

Now list the 1st, 2nd & 3rd round busts....

I didn't because it doesn't relate to Petty, but you can see the whole article here:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data

There are certainly plenty of busts, which I think only serves to show that you have to keep drafting QBs until you get one, and then keep drafting them to keep the cupboards full (more project-types at that point).

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[Bronx]

Because after a few bad games people will be calling for his head also


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[ucrenegade]

love to debate with you but todd bowles overruled me not sure what gives him the right it's not like he is the HC.............oh wait yes he is.

 

[mykcuz]

Outstanding post. This is why we need to draft another QB early In 2016.
You can't count on anything until you get your guy. Worst case scenario if Petty works out and we draft another QB, we have two good QBs an an asset down the road.

I am guessing the chance that Petty turns into a franchise QB as less than 5%, and I am being very generous.

Drafting d linemen and qbs is always a good decision. Good linemen are expensive on the open market, so it's a good investment.

A good qb will always have trade value because they are so rare, and you can't realistically win without one.

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[SackExchange]

Because after a few bad games people will be calling for his head also


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Games? You give Jets fans too much credit.

Three bad throws, and that's it.