Hackenberg Shows Progress

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we've had this conversion before sack.. in a nut shell, judge the guy on if veterans are now held accountable for awful disinterested play.. that & showing up for meetings is no longer optional.. have the team ready to ball on a weekly basis.. find out if hackenberg is the long-term answer!!

if he can do those things, i'll eat as much crow as JFU wants to feed me..

Agreed. And I think it's all fair.

So far, aside from McCown and even considering Richardson at OLB again, I'm actually not displeased. His actions regarding the fight shows an increased accountability and work ethic. Running sprints with the DL and LBs during timeouts was a good sign, as well.
 

USANYJ

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film break down and strengths and weaknesses - Turn on the Jets
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Christian Hackenberg played the overwhelming majority of the New York Jets reps at quarterback against the Tennessee Titans. This is likely to be the case this week against the Detroit Lions as well. How did Hackenberg, the only candidate on the team’s roster to be the long term quarterback, play against the Titans? Let’s take a deep dive into the statistics and film to find out…



Final Stat Line:
  • 18/25 (72%), 127 yards, 5.1 YPA, 0 TDs, 0 INTs
  • Sacked once for an eleven yard loss
  • 1 lost fumble on center/quarterback exchange. 1 fumble on a running back exchange (recovered by Jets).
  • 0 points generated from offense while on field
  • 2 used timeouts when play clock was winding down
Alignment On Passing Plays
  • 13 from shotgun
  • 12 under center
  • 3 play action attempts
*He was also sacked from the shotgun alignment and fumbled his snap under center, those two are not counted above.

Completions By Route
  • 6 screen or swing routes
  • 4 hitch routes
  • 3 out routes
  • 2 flat routes
  • 2 crossing routes
  • 1 slant route
Incompletions By Route
  • 2 nine/go routes
  • 1 crossing route
  • 1 drop on out route
  • 1 drop on hitch route
  • 1 batted ball on slant route (dropped interception by Titans)
  • 1 throwaway on hitch route
The Good

Hackenberg was decisive with the football and threw with good velocity into tight windows. He did not let mistakes or incompletions snowball on him. On third down, he was able to move the chains multiple times and looked substantially more comfortable in the pocket than he did last preseason.

On arguably his best throw of the night, he flashes a quick release and drops in a play action out route to Marquess Wilson over the linebacker and in front of the corner.
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On his first third down, he is able to take advantage of man coverage with his arm strength by firing in this slant route to Chris Harper.
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Later in the game, he shows patience on third down, letting the crossing route from Myles White develop and open up. He puts the ball in front of him, allowing the receiver to pick up a few extra yards.
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The Bad

Hackenberg still needs to make substantial strides when it comes to having command of the huddle and of the game. You cannot blow two timeouts because the play clock is winding down in two quarters of play. You cannot muff a handoff. You cannot botch a snap and give the ball away on your side of the field. These are day one type mistakes that can be devastating to an already talent challenged offense and part of the reason Josh McCown is still ahead of him on the depth chart.

Despite not calling the plays yet, Hackenberg does have the ability to audible and work to his second reads. This was a three step, one read game. Some of that is on the play calling and bringing him along slowly, some of that is on Hackenberg. Either way, it is not a sustainable way to run an offense. Defenses are going to squat on the hitch, slant and screen routes. The Titans were already already squatting on the screen routes, which is why despite completing six of them, none of them gained any significant yardage and in many cases lost yards.

This is what happens when you play one read too much. Defenders get into the passing lane and create easy opportunities for interceptions.
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You also don’t give your team a chance to convert on third and long. Hackenberg knows before this 3rd and 11 that the ball is going to Austin Seferian-Jenkins for a 5 yard out. The other routes are never even given a chance to develop. A defense is going to give up this completion 10 out of 10 times. It makes your completion percentage look pretty but does nothing to help the offense.
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Finally, the few times Hackenberg attacked down he field, accuracy was clearly still an issue. Nobody is saying these receivers are wide open but generally receivers don’t get wide open in the NFL. You need to keep the ball in bounds to give them a chance to compete. If you throw the ball out of bounds, you are just Blake Bortles.
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Overall

This was a step in the right direction from last preseason, which to be candid was a relatively low bar to clear. Hackenberg is on track to start the season as the backup before replacing Josh McCown probably some time in October. Hopefully by then, he is attacking down the field with more consistency, cleaning up basic mistakes and is being given more of the playbook from John Morton.

Analyzing Hackenberg is going to be a frustrating thing for anybody covering the team in 2017. This is a quarterback starved fanbase who is going to be hypersensitive to any commentary that does not proclaim him a future franchise quarterback. Analyzing Hackenberg with kid gloves, particularly when he is a second year player, does no benefit to anyone. If the Jets analyze him like that, they are going to make a potentially franchise crippling decision next offseason. If fans only consume analysis like that, they are going to be led on and disappointed. Hackenberg remains a project but he has until December to show the Jets should pass on a quarterback next year. The clock is ticking.
 
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Wel, if anybody thought he was wonderful last week, Hacks performance from last night ought to bring everyone back to earth? Hack takes very few chances down field. He has poor pocket awareness. He started to resemble the kid from last summer with some of his passes. I neve saw him go through progressions even once.

But I understand he's a work in progress, I just hope that progress doesn't take longer than anyone's patience?

What's infinitely worse is the OL is absolute shit. There's no way this kid will ever get a reasonable shot behind this OL. They are fucking horrible! !
 
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gastineau

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Last week & Hackenburg with all those quick out of Hacks hands safe pass plays spread across the field didnt go to well for him yesterday. Hack is a huge work in progress meaning 2-3 more years before he can be ready. So either deal with it or cut him & let another team invest in him as a boom bust QB. But Jets, dont train him for years to let him go & start. I see he gets hit lit in college & hack panics, can read Defense, even unblocked guys at line. lol shades of Sanchez
 

usapaw

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I have never seen why it is the coaches and GM think that Hack is the better QB? I hope it isn't just to save face on a #2 pick? I see this being a typical JETs move. He doesn't deserve to start and he clearly isn't even the #2 QB on this team. Move him back where he belongs as the #3.
 

TebowCan'tThrow

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I will continue to say Petty is the guy to invest your time into for this year. Hack maybe in a year or two. Petty can sink or swim and then be cut or traded if he has potential and they want Darnold. I'm just partial to his attitude about football and life. Seems like he could be a great leader. Hack seems lost.
 

jetgreen13

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I will continue to say Petty is the guy to invest your time into for this year. Hack maybe in a year or two. Petty can sink or swim and then be cut or traded if he has potential and they want Darnold. I'm just partial to his attitude about football and life. Seems like he could be a great leader. Hack seems lost.
bowles had no use for petty last season & has even less use for him now..

he is/was even more of an afterthought then hackenberg, if that's actually possible..
 

LIJETFAN

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Let me add one point here - Petty is in his third year. And thus far in camp, he hasn't come close to sniffing the starting job. I like Petty, I think he has a good arm, good attitude, and could potentially be a great backup QB in the league over time. I'm not sure if he can be a starter in the league.

Hackenberg is in his second year, and based on the comments by his offensive coordinator, is more like a rookie because of how he was coached last year, and the very limited reps he received. I agree with Bowles that you can't fairly evaluate Hack based on 6 throws when the offensive line was playing so poorly, he never really had a chance. After halftime, they made adjustments and the offense played better. That happens in games.

I don't believe we can fairly evaluate Hackenberg until he starts plays during the regular season. Most "experts" say it takes a full season of reps to know what you have in a potential starting QB. Assuming Hackenberg gets playing time this year, I am hoping at least 8-10 games, we should know what we have in him.

I think we should reserve judgment at this point. You can see he is making strides. I think he is being overly scrutinized at this point. It is just going to take time. If it doesn't work out, we'll draft a QB next year. If it does, great. Then we can draft a LT, a WR, a RB and build up this offense.

So that's my recommendation - reserve judgment, give this coaching staff more time to work with him. He is making strides, let's see if that continues. Last night's game does not mean the kid can't play. It just means he has more work to do before he is ready to start. That's all it means.
 

TebowCan'tThrow

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The way I see it so far is:

McCown= best chance to win (which I don't want)

Petty= can be competitive

Hack= potentially the worst offense the NFL has ever seen
 

soj

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Clearly everything that happened last night was not all Hack's fault but anyone who thinks this kid is remotely ready is delusional. Petty was by far much better and he played with scrubs not the 1st team. How about giving the kid a chance to work with 1st team like this week where it was reported he looked better and played better then Hack...

This CS better wake up because as Maine said this kid looked a lot like last year's version .... even on his deep throws they were way off.
 

jets82

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The way I see it so far is:

McCown= best chance to win (which I don't want)

Petty= can be competitive

Hack= potentially the worst offense the NFL has ever seen
I haven't seen the 2nd game yet but from what I'm reading and the highlights I watched, WOW, DAMN, FUCK and SHIT!!! McCown it's just pointless for him to be on this young ass non-competitive team. He would need a Bears, Ravens or Buccaneers type team for McCown to come anywhere close to being a SB quarterback. Petty may have looked better then Hack yesterday but I still have a hard time believing he's better. Even if he is it ain't saying much.

Now Hack is the true disappointment. I was really hoping for something good to come out of this kid. Something good like him proving to be good enough to start from game one and then proving he can be our franchise QB. This way, they can draft that oline men, or offensive skilled player next draft. Guess that won't be the case unless God strikes him with the Brady gift. Really wasn't looking forward to seeing McCown under center this year. Petty I can deal with but wasn't to high on that either. The season just got a lot longer.
 
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USANYJ

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It was sure tough to watch. I'm honestly at a loss for words anymore, and I'm a hack supporter since his freshman year at PSU. I want him to be the guy, but this game just shows he has a way to go and it's making me watch a lot more usc and/or ucla games to scout darnold and rosen.
 
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Mainejet

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I don't think I'm going out on a limb and possibly mimicking everyone's sentiments whn I say?

Hack and Petty are not capable of being starters in this league. Petty I could possibly see becoming a good backup? But I doubt Hack is much more than a bust that does not bode well for Mac's reputation?

With that said, please do NOT start McCown for multiple reasons:

1) We do not want him ruining the teams chances at the number 1 pick.

2) He's not the future regardless of how games he wins this season.

3) We have two young kids that need repetitions with talented players so we can disseminate once and for all who is worthy of keeping.
 

lounap23

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I don't think I'm going out on a limb and possibly mimicking everyone's sentiments whn I say?

Hack and Petty are not capable of being starters in this league. Petty I could possibly see becoming a good backup? But I doubt Hack is much more than a bust that does not bode well for Mac's reputation?

With that said, please do NOT start McCown for multiple reasons:

1) We do not want him ruining the teams chances at the number 1 pick.

2) He's not the future regardless of how games he wins this season.

3) We have two young kids that need repetitions with talented players so we can disseminate once and for all who is worthy of keeping.

I just think with the right development the talent Hack and Petty have one of them should be winning the starting job easily... But bad coaching of the position along with veterans blocking their progression has been crippling. It's like they reversed Sanchezed these kids. And for the record Sanchez was coming along fine until the CS and FO made some terrible decision in signing Holmes over Edwards, Letting Cotchery go and Signing Mason.. Along with Dustin Keller getting an injury that pretty much ended his career.

In my opinion if you have a young QB on the roster that you used a high pick on you let them play.. Sink or Swim... People hated Sanchez being handed the job with 0 competition till Geno but I rather that than this.
 
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I just think with the right development the talent Hack and Petty have one of them should be winning the starting job easily... But bad coaching of the position along with veterans blocking their progression has been crippling. It's like they reversed Sanchezed these kids. And for the record Sanchez was coming along fine until the CS and FO made some terrible decision in signing Holmes over Edwards, Letting Cotchery go and Signing Mason.. Along with Dustin Keller getting an injury that pretty much ended his career.

In my opinion if you have a young QB on the roster that you used a high pick on you let them play.. Sink or Swim... People hated Sanchez being handed the job with 0 competition till Geno but I rather that than this.

As for the record on Sanchez, I agree, but I think Rex's error was advocating Tanny sign Holmes over Edwards. Edwards had way too unrealistic demands in a contract and I believe that's why they resigned Holmes instead. Tanny cut Faneca. Tanny drafted Vlad Ducasse to replace Damien Woody after he retired. Tanny let Brad Smith go through FA. Rex and Tanny I believe were responsible for Cotchery bolting. Tanny drafted Connor to replace Tony Richardson. Tanny traded for Tebow.

So in the end, I certainly don't believe Rex was perfect, but he had a lot less to do with ruining the team than Tanny did. This is to say nothing about Tanny's drafting record?

But I digress. Sanchez was very well equipped for his first two seasons, but a part of me believes Sanchez needed to start to stand on his own in year 3. He had been coddled prior to that. And I do think it was time to stop coddling Sanchez and see if he was going to take off or fall on his face. In the end, I don't think Sanchez has anyone to blame but himself?

But in the case of Hack, this kid has less than nothing surrounding him. He doesn't even have a competent OL. Mac is fucking him over. This is why I think at the very least Toilet needs to be gone and Mac needs a serious warning that he's well on his way to getting fired.
 

USANYJ

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I just think with the right development the talent Hack and Petty have one of them should be winning the starting job easily... But bad coaching of the position along with veterans blocking their progression has been crippling. It's like they reversed Sanchezed these kids. And for the record Sanchez was coming along fine until the CS and FO made some terrible decision in signing Holmes over Edwards, Letting Cotchery go and Signing Mason.. Along with Dustin Keller getting an injury that pretty much ended his career.

In my opinion if you have a young QB on the roster that you used a high pick on you let them play.. Sink or Swim... People hated Sanchez being handed the job with 0 competition till Geno but I rather that than this.

I loved sanchez, I think it all went south when they wanted to turn him into a gunslinger too soon. People got bored of the ground and pound and it hurt his development...Also, think about it this way, if the jets get one of the top qbs in the draft next year I guarantee you he will be starting opening day next year with very little competition.
 
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