2 Pre-Season Games and Here is what is obvious.

lounap23

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First off let's get the easy out of the way..... the defense looks much improved and everyone in the 1's, 2's and 3's look like they are competing and playing hard...

Now my take on the offense.

First, again the obvious should have never let Decker go

Second should not have signed McCown and here is why:

After 2 games we have seen inconsistency from both Petty and Hack... Pt's not being scored is a problem. But I think, and i have said this in the offseason, Petty and Hack should have been battling out for the starting position without any reps being taken from them by a veteran. McCown is 37 and at the end of his career but ha played well at times on terrible teams. The reps he takes away from Petty and hack stunts the development. Less time with coaches getting coached up, less time implementing what they have learned about the new offense, less reps getting comfortable, less reps getting in synch with the WR's and OL and most importantly less time going up against the #1's on defense. Absolutely nothing good about signing McCown

Now there is no question Hack has improved from last year but he is still a ways away from being the starter but if no McCown and a fair battle between him and Petty how much further along would he be.....

As well as Petty the forgotten man each of the last 3 years.. 1st year drafted Redshirt year behind Fitz and Geno.... 2nd year... Buried behind Fitz and Geno and plays the best in Camp to really earn the backup spot only to be treated like a 3rd string and to get hurt in a meaningless game. and here we are in year #3 getting lost in reps again because McCown is there and he really isn't being considered for any significant role... Not gonna develop that way.... Absolutely awful watching these young guys with talent not being given the full attention needed to develop.. I give the JEts credit with the work on Hack. he might be still not ready but he is light years ahead of where I thought he would be But the question is :

How much better off in development would these kids be if McCown isnt there

and lastly

Where do we draft if the defense plays up to their potential and McCown plays well another 5-11 6-10 and maybe 7-9 year that means we will have to trade up to get a franchise type QB...

When we could have had 1 of 2 things happen with McCown.... hack or Petty makes significant progress to be the guy.... they make progress to still be 5-11, 6-10, 7-9 and you still trade up or you finish 2-14 and draft 1st overall...

We didn't need McCown to put us in any position to trade to get the QB of the future.. We either have it now or we don't and we should ahve found out by letting them develop and play.
 
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Mainejet

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I agree with what you're saying about the defense, but I still don't believe this team is any better than 1 to 3 wins? The defense is still lacking in generating turnovers. If they generated more turnovers, I'd be inclined to think they could win 5 games like last season, but they don't. In spite of how good this defense, and it is very good, they are terrible when it comes to generating turnovers.
 
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NCgreen12

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I do not think our defense is that good (not enough pass rush and not enough turnovers as Mainejet stated above) and as games wear on the defense will be on the field so much becuase of 3 and outs on the offense that at the most I think we win 3 games.

Now if we do win 5 games than we have options. Neither one ideal as it will cost us dearly. We can like teams have in the past give up a boatload of picks to move up in the draft ( would not be as catastrophic as it seems as we have a ton of free agent money next season) or possibly go after a QB like Kirk Cousins if he's not resigned by Washington. Still think 3 games is where we will end up.
 

jets82

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This is just a damn shame and let me say I do agree with everything your saying. For the most part. McCown being on this teams means nothing but take your pick: more training camp and pre-season reps taken away from Hack and Petty, a starting job of weeks and quality play taken away from Hack and Petty, a few more meaningless wins that takes us out the drafting pool for a blue chip QB without trading up and chemistry with the rest of the youngsters of building to possibly being a future successful team. McCown's time is done and he is not going to be our next Farve or Testerverde. So what is the point of him being here?

I will admit that really shouldn't matter because if either QB were foreal, they would take the job from McCown but I guess not. We obviously don't have a Dak or Wilson or possibly a Tribusky, Watson, Mahomes or Kizer type of QB that can take the job from a vet. So what do we have, two QBs who obviously need a lot more help and reps and McCown has taken that from them. The Jets have done great with this entire youth movement but I do agree Decker was a unnecessary cut. So know we are stuck with McCown playing 8-10 games before they bench him and then I guess Hack will get his shot in meaningless games. Petty is most likely an afterthought but after the way he played last year, I get it.
 
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Elias

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Great post. McCown is useless.

to be honest, watching this team out there last night pissed me off and I want mccagnan and Bowles gone. We are no better than we were when they were brought on to take over Rex and Idzik.

I just hope all the players pan out. Adams, Maye and all the other youngsters. We need are many years away from competing so if we can build a decent team until our qb turns to form that would be ideal.
 

lounap23

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I agree with what you're saying about the defense, but I still don't believe this team is any better than 1 to 3 wins? The defense is still lacking in generating turnovers. If they generated more turnovers, I'd be inclined to think they could win 5 games like last season, but they don't. In spite of how good this defense, and it is very good, they are terrible when it comes to generating turnovers.

Well a lot of turnover on the DB and LB corp... so let's hope once the reg season comes around they become more cohesive and generate more turnovers.....
 

lounap23

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I do not think our defense is that good (not enough pass rush and not enough turnovers as Mainejet stated above) and as games wear on the defense will be on the field so much becuase of 3 and outs on the offense that at the most I think we win 3 games.

Now if we do win 5 games than we have options. Neither one ideal as it will cost us dearly. We can like teams have in the past give up a boatload of picks to move up in the draft ( would not be as catastrophic as it seems as we have a ton of free agent money next season) or possibly go after a QB like Kirk Cousins if he's not resigned by Washington. Still think 3 games is where we will end up.

Turnovers might be the achilles heel of this Defense.... It's early in pre-season but this defense looks to be generating a lot of pass rush, so far, if that translates into the reg season we will be in better shape. Time will tell.
 
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Mainejet

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Well a lot of turnover on the DB and LB corp... so let's hope once the reg season comes around they become more cohesive and generate more turnovers.....

I don't have faith that will happen with Toilet as HC.
 
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Mainejet

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Great post. McCown is useless.

to be honest, watching this team out there last night pissed me off and I want mccagnan and Bowles gone. We are no better than we were when they were brought on to take over Rex and Idzik.

I just hope all the players pan out. Adams, Maye and all the other youngsters. We need are many years away from competing so if we can build a decent team until our qb turns to form that would be ideal.

It's good to see you on the bandwagon. I've been Calling for Mac and Toilets ouster for years now. It's nice to see someone else see things as clearly as 13 and I do.
 

lounap23

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I don't have faith that will happen with Toilet as HC.

I lost a lot of faith in Bowles last year... But I view this year as a win win for us.. Bowles either proves us wrong or he'll be gone... Same as the QB situation... No question next year we will know who the QB of the future will be without a shadow of a doubt
 

Elias

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It's good to see you on the bandwagon. I've been Calling for Mac and Toilets ouster for years now. It's nice to see someone else see things as clearly as 13 and I do.

I've never been a fan of Bowles or Mac. I just haven't been as vocal about it as I was in my last post. It was too early to fire them but after year three and nothing to show for it, they should go.

Problem is how does the revolving door at coaches and GM help us down the line? We need some continuity. I think they are safe for one more year or all these coaches would not have come here.
 

USANYJ

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I agree with mostly everything said, the worst thing that can happen this year is McCown winning too many games and screwing us out of a top pick for a stud QB prospect, which as of now scouts say there will be 3. That would be franchise crippling if he eeks out 4 or 5 wins and we get stuck with the 5th pick and no shot at a top qb. For as long as everyone thinks this rebuild will be, and yes, it looks like it will be long, we all know that if we can get THAT qb the rebuild will be shortened. This season, if it goes wrong, and as terrible as it sounds, it going wrong means winning an extra game or two, this season has the makings of one that we will look back on and say it crippled the franchise.
 

jetgreen13

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I agree with mostly everything said, the worst thing that can happen this year is McCown winning too many games and screwing us out of a top pick for a stud QB prospect, which as of now scouts say there will be 3. That would be franchise crippling if he eeks out 4 or 5 wins and we get stuck with the 5th pick and no shot at a top qb. For as long as everyone thinks this rebuild will be, and yes, it looks like it will be long, we all know that if we can get THAT qb the rebuild will be shortened. This season, if it goes wrong, and as terrible as it sounds, it going wrong means winning an extra game or two, this season has the makings of one that we will look back on and say it crippled the franchise.
but that appears to be exactly what is staring this fan base & front bleepin' office square in the bleepin' face!! two HCs running!!

*sigh* ironically, i'm somehow taken aback by this horse shit.....
 

Elias

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but that appears to be exactly what is staring this fan base & front bleepin' office square in the bleepin' face!! two HCs running!!

*sigh* ironically, i'm somehow taken aback by this horse shit.....

I am hoping by not playing McCown they are slowly figuring it out that it's best to not win for the sake of the future.
 
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Mainejet

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I lost a lot of faith in Bowles last year... But I view this year as a win win for us.. Bowles either proves us wrong or he'll be gone... Same as the QB situation... No question next year we will know who the QB of the future will be without a shadow of a doubt

That's a really positive outlook. I admire that. It's 100% on Toilet to SINK or SWIM. No more bull shit excuses, just results or you're out. If he does get shit canned, he'll have no one to blame but himself.
 

mydogisajetsfan

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I didn't see a good game by the defense. They gave up big plays. Claiborne was simply terrible. That may be him intentionally not being aggressive, but if that's not the case, we're in serious trouble. Burris was attacked and he didn't hold up well. That was very disappointing. Adams had a bad game but the rookie deserves a pass (pun intended). They gave up too many plays and points against the Lion's one.
 
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Mainejet

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I've never been a fan of Bowles or Mac. I just haven't been as vocal about it as I was in my last post. It was too early to fire them but after year three and nothing to show for it, they should go.

Problem is how does the revolving door at coaches and GM help us down the line? We need some continuity. I think they are safe for one more year or all these coaches would not have come here.

To be honest, I'm still on the fence about Mac. Call me embarrassed if I'm wrong, but I think Mac hit a home run in the last draft. I think Mac Netted at least 3 starters, maybe more? However, if it weren't for that draft, I'd be right there with you? The 2016 draft, and besides Leo the 2015 draft, are all garbage. I don't see a single player past the 1st round that will ever earn a starting spot? So like I posted, there's a small part of me that thinks he should stay and get to hire HIS guy? But it's all based on how well this crop of rookies pans out.
 

soj

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TB will be fired I have no doubt after watching the per se' QBC going on and the fact that the O is such a mess. The D is marginally better but the CB play was poor last game - as in poosr. # 21 looked like #24 was playing...

I realize the O is new but I agree they should have just gone with the youth movement and take the lumps... as it is Mc will be out by 304 week due to injury and all the lost reps will be apparent... frankly, it already is.
 

USANYJ

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To be honest, I'm still on the fence about Mac. Call me embarrassed if I'm wrong, but I think Mac hit a home run in the last draft. I think Mac Netted at least 3 starters, maybe more? However, if it weren't for that draft, I'd be right there with you? The 2016 draft, and besides Leo the 2015 draft, are all garbage. I don't see a single player past the 1st round that will ever earn a starting spot? So like I posted, there's a small part of me that thinks he should stay and get to hire HIS guy? But it's all based on how well this crop of rookies pans out.

I'm with you on Mac, but just to play devils advocate, drafting Leo took no talent, he fell into their laps. Sometimes its better to be lucky than good. If he stays on passed this year and we aren't the top pick then we will see what hes made of. Can he trade up and get the guy we want if we have to, plus we have over 80 mil in cap space next season, can he get a few studs and fill the team out? Who ever is GM this upcoming offseason and draft process will be huge.
 
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Mainejet

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I agree with you on Mac. But you could say the very same thing with Jamal adams? He also fell in Mac's lap. The one time when he didn't have an obvious best player fall in his lap, his choice was Darron Lee. Lee sucks. He's miscast in Toilets defense and way too undersized. If Mc hadn't wanted Hack in the 2nd round, the Jets would have never drafted Lee. Instead the Jets would have traded up and grabbed Laremy Tunsil.

The whole draft i think is SHIT. There's not a single player I want again this season.
 
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