2018 NFL Draft: Round 1 Jets Fans United War Room

[gmf1369]

2018 NFL Draft Starts 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time

There is time to continue the debate of who the Jets should take:

So the debate is still running around will they or won't they take Baker Mayfield...

As much as I like the so called leaks about a fractured front office pulling for Josh Rosen it makes me wonder if there is a disconnect happening or is it a unified front to drive the loyal Jets fans insane...

We need someone could can start day one even tho we are setup to allow the rookie to sit... Injuries happen and you have to ask yourself which one of the four can step in, at a minutes notice and be a capable backup turned starter in a matter of seconds, that is how fast it can happen...

So say to yourself which one of the four is now your top option, then who is your second, third and fourth of the top four...

I don't trust that Bridgewater is healthy enough to come back and get into football shape... Word is he is healthy enough to walk, but not run and far off from even considering getting into football shape which makes me to believe even tho this was a football political move on the Jets front office to attract the top tier players because they see that we are willing to give anyone a second chance at their dreams others see that and want to come and be a part of the solution of making green & white relevant again... Lets just say what I am hearing (not reading) has truth behind it then we are looking at a position with Josh McCown as the starter and both Hackenberg & Petty are no better than third string moving forward... But which one do they keep, which one do they try to trade to move up five to ten spots with?

Whomever we pick with the 3rd overall is going to be the immediate backup which puts him in the line of fire at a moments notice step in when McCown does some crazy shit and gets himself hurt...

So now who do you got?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I don't care who we draft (actually I do), but for fucks sake don't draft anyone that can't beat out Josh McCown or a hobbled Teddy B. If they are going to need to sit then don't draft him. Draft a guy that can and will start day 1. I hope Teddy B can be a backup and dump Hack and Petty. This organization needs some hope.

 

[ReallyBigfan]

I don't care who we draft (actually I do), but for fucks sake don't draft anyone that can't beat out Josh McCown or a hobbled Teddy B. If they are going to need to sit then don't draft him. Draft a guy that can and will start day 1. I hope Teddy B can be a backup and dump Hack and Petty. This organization needs some hope.

Sorry, I strongly disagree with this approach. The vast majority of QB prospects do not step in and excel Day 1.

-Peyton Manning threw 26 TDs but 28 int's in his first season.
-John Freakin' Elway threw for 7 TDs and 14 int's in his rookie season.

It makes all the sense in the world to give a rookie QB a chance to sit back and learn the pro game from the sidelines for at least half if not all of his initial season, if you have a guy like Josh McCown who can play decently and mentor him while he learns. Sure, if a rookie comes in and forces his way into the lineup by being spectacular, then let him run with it. But otherwise, follow an intelligent player-development routine, not a hasty give-the-fans-what-they-want approach. I am very happy that the current regime seems to be taking the long view and eschewing the (attempted) quick-fixes that have kept us mired in mediocrity for decades, with only an occasional break in those clouds of mediocrity. Hope comes from building a team and organization that can contend year-in and year-out. If QB A might be better on Day 1, but QB B can be significantly better over the long term, I scoff at any fan that prefers QB A.

 

[hobson54]

If QB A might be better on Day 1, but QB B can be significantly better over the long term, I scoff at any fan that prefers QB A.

by this measure, you should probably want the jets to draft allen, who most people think has the highest upside. this would fall under CAN BE significantly better... he also may not reach this potential. so he has a huge bust factor.

i'm not saying draft a guy solely because he is more capable of starting day 1. but you also need to factor in the "rawness" of a prospect and if he would ever reach his theoretical potentia.l

 

[jets82]

I don't care who we draft (actually I do), but for fucks sake don't draft anyone that can't beat out Josh McCown or a hobbled Teddy B. If they are going to need to sit then don't draft him. Draft a guy that can and will start day 1. I hope Teddy B can be a backup and dump Hack and Petty. This organization needs some hope.

Sorry but I had to post this again and it seemed appropriate. It also is the only way for me to keep my sanity at this point:

This is mainly a open written message to myself, if not for anyone else whom feels the way I do. Today is the draft and it is going to be an epic one. Whether that’s in a positive or negative way, remain even keel. Me personally I have tried my best not to key on any QB or QBs because I don’t want to be disappointed if he or they are not picked. I also realize whomever I would want the Jets to pick, he’d probably be the wrong one anyway so why bother?

I’m trying to just have the frame of mind of just enjoying the draft and whomever they pick, give the kid a chance to learn and develop. If it takes him a year before he’s ready than so be it but whenever he is ready, hopefully he’ll be our guy. I’m typically the type to have the mindset that if your picked in the first round, especially the top ten you should ready to go game one your rookie year. You don’t have to necessarily set the world on fire but be average at the least and get better as the years go by. Well with a franchise QB, it just may not happen immediately. Tom Brady sat a year and so did Eli Manning (if I’m correct.)

So I have to stay even keel and not draw conclusions after tomorrow or after the season starts or I’ll absolutely loss my mind with this draft. I have been waiting for years and I mean years, as we all have for the Jets to draft a true franchise QB in the first round. It can possibly and probably happens this year but whomever it is, he may not be ready to go year one or show real promise until year two or three. If he does play his rookie year.

I also have to remain even keel on the fact that other QBs may do better and win more for other teams initially or overall but it doesn’t necessarily have to mean that the Jets picked the wrong QB. Doesn’t mean that QB or QBs would have done that for our team. So to Jets82 and anyone else who feels the way I do, give this draft, QB, GM and CS a chance and trust in them all. Don’t prejudge and enjoy the ride. Remain even keel and just as they say in Philadelphia, “Trust the process!”

 

[ReallyBigfan]

by this measure, you should probably want the jets to draft allen, who most people think has the highest upside. this would fall under CAN BE significantly better... he also may not reach this potential. so he has a huge bust factor.

i'm not saying draft a guy solely because he is more capable of starting day 1. but you also need to factor in the "rawness" of a prospect and if he would ever reach his theoretical potentia.l

If you take my words literally, which is fair, then you are right. I didn't really mean it so literally, though, in the sense that if QB B also has a far greater bust potential, that changes the equation significantly. To the specific player you named, Josh Allen, I wouldn't be devastated if the Jets pick him, because of the tremendous tools and the fact that some experts whom I respect have opined that there are some specific and easily correctable mechanical issues that cause his inaccuracy, mainly relating to footwork, and some have even suggested that he has already corrected them, which is why he has been so much more accurate in the run-up to the draft. But I am still a Baker Mayfield fanboy. I think his accuracy, feistiness, leadership, and competitiveness on the field will make him successful in any system, and I think that his charisma and swagger are exactly what the Jets need to change the culture in a dramatic and positive way.

In a related note, Josh Rosen has the tools to be a great QB, but his injury history worries me not just because he has had concussions, but because the underlying reason is that he seems to get hit hard so often - lack of mobility and inability to adequately sense pressure in the pocket?

 

[NewMFS62]

A question about the chat function.
How will it work during the draft?
Will there be a noticeable group to join in on, or will we have to search out individual members?
Later

 

[gmf1369]

A question about the chat function.
How will it work during the draft?
Will there be a noticeable group to join in on, or will we have to search out individual members?
Later

go to groups and will see NY Jets is the open public group to talk to everyone...

if you want a private convo with one person then just click that persons name to talk one on one in contacts...

 

[NCgreen12]

I wonder if the racial tweet that was just released by Yahoo on Josh Allen will affect his draft status. Was hoping he would be in the top two so that would give us a better chance at drafting Darnold. Maybe the Bills or Baker's agent leaked the info to Yahoo so he would drop..

Still hoping/praying/begging/ for Darnold but would take Baker. Rosen would be a reluctant third choice and I don't want Allen. Which means that's exactly who we will pick.

I have a bottle of Opus 1 that will be opened if I hear Darnold's name.

 

[maxmet]

I am hoping for a great bit of draft tactics - after all the talk of possible QBs at 1, Cleveland shows major balls by going Barkley and waiting to see which QB it can take at 4.

The smokescreens and rumors could make sense with this plan - who do they want at 4 - or do they like 3 of the QBs?

The fun path, I think

 

[NewMFS62]

I am hoping for a great bit of draft tactics - after all the talk of possible QBs at 1, Cleveland shows major balls by going Barkley and waiting to see which QB it can take at 4.

The smokescreens and rumors could make sense with this plan - who do they want at 4 - or do they like 3 of the QBs?

The fun path, I think

That's interesting. They get someone who will make whoever they get better and can say "We got who we wanted, anyhow" with the QB they get.
Takes the potential second-guess abuse out of having to pick a QB at #1.
Later

 

[maxmet]

That's interesting. They get someone who will make whoever they get better and can say "We got who we wanted, anyhow" with the QB they get.
Takes the potential second-guess abuse out of having to pick a QB at #1.
Later

Yup - Kevin Costner makes a guest appearance at their press conference "In our opinion, we got the best player in the draft AND the best quarterback in the draft"

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

1. Rosen. This is close with Darnold, but I have always had the sense that Rosen will be the best NFL QB of the four. I like his edgey personality. I think it’s important for a QB to have that “I’m a badass” mentality, and can back it up. He’s the real deal.

2. Darnold. Despite the turnovers, he’s the most balanced QB of the four. He’s does all things good, but not great. His ability to move out of the pocket and throw on the run is very nice. I’d be happy with this pick as well.

3. Mayfield. He’s grown on me. I like his arm strength, confidence, and mobility. I think his teammates would love him. I think he’s got a big adjustment to make from OU to the NFL, but he’ll probably be fine by 2019. I’m alright with this guy if he’s the pick.

4. Allen. Biggest boom or bust of the 4. Love his ceiling, hate the fact that he’ll probably need two years to figure it out, if he even does. Huge arm, perfect size, seems like a good kid. I’ll be lukewarm on this pick.

 

[Seaver41]

final thoughts on the options - For me it's been Darnold since September....with Rosen the next choice. Of the 4, only Rosen is prepared to start day 1, but he comes with the highest health risk. Mayfield is still an unknown because he has to be retrained from the spread. Allen tp me is a non-factor - I don't find him to be particularly smart on the field - where has he excelled at the position in his whole career? Really nowhere. Huge bust potential.

I want Darnold without question.
I'll take Rosen and pray he he doesn't have an injury marred career as a Jet like Namath, O'Brien, Vinny, and Pennington. All 4 had injuries get in the way of success as a Jet.
I find Mayfield a huge risk, but I'd support him.
I want no part of Allen.

 

[NewMFS62]

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[mydogisajetsfan]

I have a feeling it's going to be Rosen.

 

[SackExchange]

 

[jets82]

I'm having a very hard believing that the Browns are actually going to draft Mayfield at #1.

 

[The Wicker Man]

Warm reception for the Commish!

 

[SackExchange]

Warm reception for the Commish!

Remember, he penalized the Cowboys and Redskins a few years back for violating the salary cap in a year when there was no salary cap.