All Things DARELLE REVIS

[hobson54]

Of course we still have questions about QB. But Batista said that taking the best CB in football from the better team and putting him on the worse team would have a negligible difference.

I take it you agree with Battista, then, that the gap really hasn't narrowed in any significance.

no i don't agree with that. the gap has narrowed, but they are still the heavy favorites in the division. and yes, brady vs whoever we have at QB is still a major reason why.

we were a 4 win team last year...they were a 12 win team that won the super bowl.

i think that we are more than a 4 win team now...and they are still a super bowl contender. i'd be shocked (albeit ecstatic) if we were a legit SB contender. if things go right and we stabilize the QB position, maybe we can compete for the playoffs this year. but there is still a big gap, over a 16 game season, between us and the pats. you don't have to be a "pats slurping, jets hating" media member to think that.

 

[SackExchange]

no i don't agree with that. the gap has narrowed, but they are still the heavy favorites in the division. and yes, brady vs whoever we have at QB is still a major reason why.

we were a 4 win team last year...they were a 12 win team that won the super bowl.

i think that we are more than a 4 win team now...and they are still a super bowl contender. i'd be shocked (albeit ecstatic) if we were a legit SB contender. if things go right and we stabilize the QB position, maybe we can compete for the playoffs this year. but there is still a big gap, over a 16 game season, between us and the pats. you don't have to be a "pats slurping, jets hating" media member to think that.

We're not a legit SB contender, of course.

Are they?

No Wilfork, no Revis, probably no Browner, very limited cap room, very few top NTs and CBs left on the market. They may score a lot, but who can they stop?

 

[hobson54]

We're not a legit SB contender, of course.

Are they?

No Wilfork, no Revis, probably no Browner, very limited cap room, very few top NTs and CBs left on the market. They may score a lot, but who can they stop?

well they've won the division something like 11 of 12 years so odds are, they will make the playoffs. would i consider them the favorites as of today? probably not, although in the afc, other than indy, i'm not sure who has really gotten better since the season ended. of course, there's a long way to go until the season kicks off.

do you think the jets are now on par with the pats? again, i've said the gap is narrowed, but they are still the clear better team and much more likely to make the playoffs and compete for a title. do you disagree?

 

[SackExchange]

well they've won the division something like 11 of 12 years so odds are, they will make the playoffs. would i consider them the favorites as of today? probably not, although in the afc, other than indy, i'm not sure who has really gotten better since the season ended. of course, there's a long way to go until the season kicks off.

do you think the jets are now on par with the pats? again, i've said the gap is narrowed, but they are still the clear better team and much more likely to make the playoffs and compete for a title. do you disagree?

I don't recall ever saying the Jets were on par with the Pats. But they have gotten a lot closer, have addressed many (not all, but many) of their holes, and the Pats have new holes they didn't previously have.

I'd say the Pats are, at this moment, the probable division champs, likely 10-11 win team. The Jets, at this moment, are probably a 7-8 win team, conservatively. And that's presuming a huge gap between Brady and Fitzpatrick. According to passer rating, there was a 2.1 point difference between the two last year.

 

[SackExchange]

And that's not even factoring the coaching change, which could conceivably be a positive for the Jets.

 

[hobson54]

I don't recall ever saying the Jets were on par with the Pats. But they have gotten a lot closer, have addressed many (not all, but many) of their holes, and the Pats have new holes they didn't previously have.

I'd say the Pats are, at this moment, the probable division champs, likely 10-11 win team. The Jets, at this moment, are probably a 7-8 win team, conservatively. And that's presuming a huge gap between Brady and Fitzpatrick. According to passer rating, there was a 2.1 point difference between the two last year.

i don't disagree with anything you say (except the difference in pass rating isn't really meaningful to me...more a reflection of how it's a bad stat than saying that those 2 QBs were almost on par).

if you look at my first post in this exchange (#301), all i said is that i heard a bunch of positive praise last night on getting revis, but it remains that the pats are still the team to beat in the division, in large part because of the QB (and coach).

 

[SackExchange]

And I do not deny that the Pats are still the team to beat. But going by my relatively conservative estimate, based on the Pats' losses on defense and the Jets' gains at WR and in the secondary, the gap between the two teams would be around 3 games. Last year, it was 8.

To me, that is a serious and significant bridging of the gap. The Pats are still the favorites, but the Jets (along with the other teams in the division, but just looking at those two teams) are MUCH closer.

Now, there is still a lot of offseason to go. But the market for CBs and NTs is no longer great, AND the Jets have much better draft picks.

As to passer rating as a stat, I can understand dismissing it. But from a statistical standpoint, just comparing what the Jets had last year to what they just acquired, Geno threw for under 60% and had an equal TD/INT ratio. Fitzpatrick last year threw above 63%, and had more than twice as many TDs as he had INTs. He's far from Tom Brady, but the Jets did close the gap at the QB position, as well.

 

[Mainejet]

I am absolutely ECSTATIC about this signing. This was a move that was great on more than one level. As I said many times before, this move not only made the Jets a much better team, it simultaneously weakened the Patsies.

You may not see that well, but one thing the Patsies PROVED over the last 10 years was that without a shutdown corner they could not win a SB. Revis was the guy that put our arch nemesis over the top and allowed them to win it all.

Now that the Jets have him in town, the Jets may lose to the Patsies (probably twice as they rebuild), but the PATSIES are NOT getting to another SB. They are officially done. Stick a fork in the Patsies. Without that shutdown corner, they can make the playoffs, but they are nothing better than a Marty Schottenheimer special. Win a sh*tload of regular season games, but one and done in the playoffs.

On the Jets front, this move just made our defense a LEGITIMATE threat to the best in the league this season. Todd Bowles can dial up the blitz early and often, and our CB's will actually HOLD coverage for a few seconds longer?! Can you believe that?

Revis is a numbers advantage and you will quickly see how good the Jets defense can be with him playing and allowing a Safety to slide over to the other side of the field.

This was a GENIUS move on MacCagnan's part. I love it. I love the money he got paid as I believe he is legitimately worth it.

This also says that MacCagnan plans on winning almost immediately. He's going for it all. Moves like this could put the Jets in playoff contention as soon as this season.:smiley-dance017::dancing-cat-smiley-:hand-clapping-smile:dancing-poop::smiley-dance006::smiley-cool11::nudie:

 

[McJet]

well they've won the division something like 11 of 12 years so odds are, they will make the playoffs. would i consider them the favorites as of today? probably not, although in the afc, other than indy, i'm not sure who has really gotten better since the season ended. of course, there's a long way to go until the season kicks off.

do you think the jets are now on par with the pats? again, i've said the gap is narrowed, but they are still the clear better team and much more likely to make the playoffs and compete for a title. do you disagree?

Last year,the Jets with no CB's and the Pats with Revis and Brady
Jets 25 Pats 27
Jets 16 Pats 17

 

[hobson54]

Last year,the Jets with no CB's and the Pats with Revis and Brady
Jets 25 Pats 27
Jets 16 Pats 17

that's why i mentioned over a 16 week season before. on any given sunday anyone can win

the more relevant numbers are 4-12 and 12-4 (actually 15-4)

 

[SackExchange]

Last year,the Jets with no CB's and the Pats with Revis and Brady
Jets 25 Pats 27
Jets 16 Pats 17

I think the gap goes far beyond just their head-to-head. The Jets won four games, the Pats won the Lombardi Trophy.

That said, the Jets have gotten considerably better on both sides of the ball this offseason, and the Pats have taken huge hits to their defense.

 

[soj]

Well I read most of the posts. Posts with socioeconomic overtones was a bit tiring and frankly boorish. I worked three jobs in college after military (one being in a chemical Factory in Paterson New Jersey) and got fired three times yet I am a millionaire living in Scottsdale AZ and I do not begrudge anyone who is willing to work at their calling to earn a living. In fact I admire everyone who does work - key being who works.

ust like Mr Revis I worked dam hard for every cent and frankly got lucky, got the right breaks, etc. The difference between me and Mr Revis is that I honored my contract(s) irrespective of the economic conditions which could and did affect them. That is a significant difference that most posters have stated... it not "show me the money" or I will NOT honor a contract I signed but the HOW you go about negotiating a new deal. While I do not like the how, I do respect the fact that he has made over $100m since entering in the NFL. That is a hell of an accomplishment.

Finally, what I learn in business is that there is very little loyalty (if any) and as for the NFL... well there isn't any anymore. Its a business period.

AS for getting him back I am thrilled and this is the most excited I have been in a long time... Qualifier: being a Jet fan that is

 

[SackExchange]

I may get bashed by some for calling out the media bias, but check out this piece from WEEI in Boston.

http://thornography.weei.com/sports/boston/2015/03/11/jets-obviously-tampered-with-darrelle-revis/

In short, it is calling for the Jets to be punished for tampering - not because of Woody's comments a couple months ago, but because of how quickly the Jets agreed to a deal with Revis. It was only four hours after he was released that he had agreed to terms with the Jets.

Just a reminder, one year ago, it took about 45 minutes after Tampa released Revis for the Pats to come to terms with him.

Sorry, but this is the world in which we live.

 

[SackExchange]

There is a certain arrogance among the Boston homers.

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/wilbur/2015/03/revis_aftermath_the_jets_are_dumb_and_the_patriot.html?p1=feature_sec_hp

 

[Jet Setter]

Well I read most of the posts. Posts with socioeconomic overtones was a bit tiring and frankly boorish. I worked three jobs in college after military (one being in a chemical Factory in Paterson New Jersey) and got fired three times yet I am a millionaire living in Scottsdale AZ and I do not begrudge anyone who is willing to work at their calling to earn a living. In fact I admire everyone who does work - key being who works.

ust like Mr Revis I worked dam hard for every cent and frankly got lucky, got the right breaks, etc. The difference between me and Mr Revis is that I honored my contract(s) irrespective of the economic conditions which could and did affect them. That is a significant difference that most posters have stated... it not "show me the money" or I will NOT honor a contract I signed but the HOW you go about negotiating a new deal. While I do not like the how, I do respect the fact that he has made over $100m since entering in the NFL. That is a hell of an accomplishment.

Finally, what I learn in business is that there is very little loyalty (if any) and as for the NFL... well there isn't any anymore. Its a business period.

AS for getting him back I am thrilled and this is the most excited I have been in a long time... Qualifier: being a Jet fan that is

Something you guys fail to realize about performance-based contracts is that they are not iron clad contracts. Meaning, they are more at-will than anything. The less guaranteed money, the higher the likelihood of one getting cut with no recoup of salary. I don't see anyone arguing how this is unfair to players...maybe because none of you are being fair. Guys get cut all the time with 2-4 years remaining on their contract. How is the organization holding it's end of the bargain as you suggest?
Again, the organization can cut you for any reason it wants. That is not similar to conventional contract terms as most other at-will contracts include. Players are NOT protected by such contracts until they attain enough leverage to ensure a lot of guaranteed money is attached.

That's because performance-based contracts are different and they are always subject to renegotiation as per the NFL. I'm sorry most of you can't comprehend this or maybe just aren't aware, but you should be. This is not a new concept if you follow the NFL and seeing guys get cut on a daily basis.
Players exceed the performance expected in such a contract which makes them more fluid than a cost-based or fee-for-service contract where terms are stipulated and agreements are legally binding.
And no one put a gun to Woody's head when Revis held out. The organization was well in their right to not only fine for not showing up but to not re-negotiate. Who's fault was it to cave in? Never mind, I know the answer. It's always Revis' fault.
You guys are hilarious with your bitterness towards Revis. I counted one guy on this entire thread who "got it". Someone who understood that Revis has earned his payday and should get what he deserved. Only one - Hobson. The rest of you, continue hating the guy.

 

[SackExchange]

Whew!

After a couple hour delay for the conference call, it's finally official. Revis is a Jet.

 

[flgreen]

I am absolutely ECSTATIC about this signing. This was a move that was great on more than one level. As I said many times before, this move not only made the Jets a much better team, it simultaneously weakened the Patsies.

You may not see that well, but one thing the Patsies PROVED over the last 10 years was that without a shutdown corner they could not win a SB. Revis was the guy that put our arch nemesis over the top and allowed them to win it all.

Now that the Jets have him in town, the Jets may lose to the Patsies (probably twice as they rebuild), but the PATSIES are NOT getting to another SB. They are officially done. Stick a fork in the Patsies. Without that shutdown corner, they can make the playoffs, but they are nothing better than a Marty Schottenheimer special. Win a sh*tload of regular season games, but one and done in the playoffs.

On the Jets front, this move just made our defense a LEGITIMATE threat to the best in the league this season. Todd Bowles can dial up the blitz early and often, and our CB's will actually HOLD coverage for a few seconds longer?! Can you believe that?

Revis is a numbers advantage and you will quickly see how good the Jets defense can be with him playing and allowing a Safety to slide over to the other side of the field.

This was a GENIUS move on MacCagnan's part. I love it. I love the money he got paid as I believe he is legitimately worth it.

This also says that MacCagnan plans on winning almost immediately. He's going for it all. Moves like this could put the Jets in playoff contention as soon as this season.:smiley-dance017::dancing-cat-smiley-:hand-clapping-smile:dancing-poop::smiley-dance006::smiley-cool11::nudie:

They are in playoff contention now, if Bowles can pull this talent together.

Problem is, as long as the Pats have Brady, and the Jets have Fitz/Smith, the Jets are going to be chasing the Pats, and I like the Fitz signing.

 

[SackExchange]

Revis is recruiting Cro.

 

[flgreen]

I think the gap goes far beyond just their head-to-head. The Jets won four games, the Pats won the Lombardi Trophy.

That said, the Jets have gotten considerably better on both sides of the ball this offseason, and the Pats have taken huge hits to their defense.

If the Brees rumors were true, and the Jets signed him, I agree, the Jets would be in command of the division. Right now they are overall a better total team.

With the Pats having Brady, and the Jets having Smith, the Pats will still win a few games more then the Jets.

I wish it wasn't so

 

[SackExchange]

Can the Jets bring in Brees? Is that still a possibility, after the Fitzpatrick trade?