I honestlt feel Geno has a 10 week audition from next Tuesday until the fourth game of the season in which the team breaks for the bye. At that time, if Smith is his usual self, Ryan Fitzpatrick will be beyond healthy and a change will be made to salvage the season.
If the team falters with Fitz as well the next four weeks, then the reigns will be given to Bryce Petty for the reaminder of the season to see what he has to offer for the future. Since by that time the season would be a wash and no play offs in sight, i feels the coaching staff will not seesaw back from Smith to Fitz but honestly move on from Smith.
If the season is lost by week 8, atleast this new regime planned for it (as a just in case) as to not let it go to waste. They'd atleast have Petty to have some playing time under his belt.
Of course these are all hypotheticals, so many things can occur. Heck we had Chad Pennington and Jay Fiedler go down for the season in one game.
If the team falters with Fitz as well the next four weeks, then the reigns will be given to Bryce Petty for the reaminder of the season to see what he has to offer for the future. Since by that time the season would be a wash and no play offs in sight, i feels the coaching staff will not seesaw back from Smith to Fitz but honestly move on from Smith.
If the season is lost by week 8, atleast this new regime planned for it (as a just in case) as to not let it go to waste. They'd atleast have Petty to have some playing time under his belt.
Of course these are all hypotheticals, so many things can occur. Heck we had Chad Pennington and Jay Fiedler go down for the season in one game.
I don't see that and Gailey specifically he would not have a fast hook. I think it is possible the Jets move away from Geno but unless he has 10 INTs in the first four games he likely gets most if not all the season. People are ignoring all of Gailey's comments which were VERY strong and placing all the emphasis on Bowles vague competition statement.
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I don't agree at all
Gailey's comments in May were that Smith was the starter for now and the beginning of TC and "hopefully for the season opener"
I think the leash is extremely short as it should be in a situation where Maccagnan's first action as a GM was to trade with his former team for Fitzpatrick, a veteran QB that he knew well and Gailey knew better
In May, Fitzpatrick was still healing from his leg injury and not ready to go 100%. So anointing Smith as the starter for now made sense. When the media asked the HC whether that meant there would be no competition,.Bowles quickly shot down that idea
So whichever QB is better in TC and the first 3 preseason games will be the starter vs Cleveland.
The idea that Maccagnan, Bowles and Gailey would piss away the first quarter of the season on Smith and then keep him starting because he only threw 9 picks is preposterous unless the three of them are desperately itching to get fired
Gailey's comments in May were that Smith was the starter for now and the beginning of TC and "hopefully for the season opener"
I think the leash is extremely short as it should be in a situation where Maccagnan's first action as a GM was to trade with his former team for Fitzpatrick, a veteran QB that he knew well and Gailey knew better
In May, Fitzpatrick was still healing from his leg injury and not ready to go 100%. So anointing Smith as the starter for now made sense. When the media asked the HC whether that meant there would be no competition,.Bowles quickly shot down that idea
So whichever QB is better in TC and the first 3 preseason games will be the starter vs Cleveland.
The idea that Maccagnan, Bowles and Gailey would piss away the first quarter of the season on Smith and then keep him starting because he only threw 9 picks is preposterous unless the three of them are desperately itching to get fired
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Hate to say it, but I fear you are right.
Thankfully, we have just another week until we can begin to see how all of this will play itself out on the football field.
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I really do not know what everyone is getting all bent out of shape about? Is it about something that some clueless beat writer claims?
Everyone knows what the real deal is with the Jets and their QB spot. The ONLY thing Geno is getting is the opportunity to work with the 1's first in training camp. That's IT.
Other than that, there is a 100% open QB competition going on. This isn't like what Rex and Marty did last season. They gave Geno 75% of the first team snaps thereby prohibiting any sort of QB competition. Not that the options were all that appealing. But my feeling is anything is better than Geno Smith. Geno Smith is statistically the worst QB in the league. He's horrible in any sense of the word.
There's no doubt in my mind if Fitz is given an opportunity to win the starting job, he will. It's that simple.
The writer is very clearly 100% spot on in claiming that Bowles and Gailey have not been on the same page. They weren't. Everyone on this site wants to stroke their savior Todd Bowles and claim they were never on a different page, but that's nonsense. They were on a completely different page. Gailey claimed one thing and Bowles claimed the complete OPPOSITE.
But still it doesn't matter, the buck stops with Todd Bowles, NOT Chan Gailey. Chan Gailey answers to Todd Bowles, not the other way around. Bowles claims this is a 100% open competition and I believe it. It's the only common sense solution for the Jets at this time. It's also a win win for the entire Jets fanbase. Most people have been clamoring for an open competition ever since Geno was drafted. He leaves a lot to be desired.
Everyone knows what the real deal is with the Jets and their QB spot. The ONLY thing Geno is getting is the opportunity to work with the 1's first in training camp. That's IT.
Other than that, there is a 100% open QB competition going on. This isn't like what Rex and Marty did last season. They gave Geno 75% of the first team snaps thereby prohibiting any sort of QB competition. Not that the options were all that appealing. But my feeling is anything is better than Geno Smith. Geno Smith is statistically the worst QB in the league. He's horrible in any sense of the word.
There's no doubt in my mind if Fitz is given an opportunity to win the starting job, he will. It's that simple.
The writer is very clearly 100% spot on in claiming that Bowles and Gailey have not been on the same page. They weren't. Everyone on this site wants to stroke their savior Todd Bowles and claim they were never on a different page, but that's nonsense. They were on a completely different page. Gailey claimed one thing and Bowles claimed the complete OPPOSITE.
But still it doesn't matter, the buck stops with Todd Bowles, NOT Chan Gailey. Chan Gailey answers to Todd Bowles, not the other way around. Bowles claims this is a 100% open competition and I believe it. It's the only common sense solution for the Jets at this time. It's also a win win for the entire Jets fanbase. Most people have been clamoring for an open competition ever since Geno was drafted. He leaves a lot to be desired.
When did Bowles say "it was a 100% open competition?"
Can someone post that link? I don't see how that is possible when only 1 qb is getting 1ST team reps...
Can someone post that link? I don't see how that is possible when only 1 qb is getting 1ST team reps...
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I give up.
I'm just glad that, although you have declared the statistically worst QB in the NFL for two seasons the annointed starter for a third one, Maccagnan and Bowles don't seem to be in full agreement with you
We will see how this first fair QB competition for the Jets in a decade emerges starting with the first practice in only six days
May the QB who wins it be the starter vs Cleveland
I didnt ask for an opinion. I asked for proof he said it. Everyone knows your opinion. Everyone assumes mine, and you know what assumptions make you look like. I want the best QB to start, I dont care if its Geno or Fitz...I do think its in our best interest to have a young solution, Geno or Petty. But I really dont care who plays this year, because the defense will be the best of part of our team to watch anyway, regardless if geno or Fitz starts.
I dont know why everyone thinks I really prefer Geno. Last year at this time, definitely. This year, I want the guy who gives us a chance to win. I guess wanting Geno to get a fair shake is bias...too bad its bias if you're on one side of the argument and not the other.
If you want Fitz to get a fair shake, it's cool. If you want Geno to get a fair shake, you get attacked. I just want the best QB to play...
However, I really just want proof or a link that says "100% QB competition" from the mouth of Bowles...can someone who doesnt want to force their opinion on everyone share this information/link?
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So good, then
We agree completely
May the QB who wins the full, fair competition in TC and the first 3 PS games be the Jets starting QB in 2015.
It will be a very positive outcome IMO, not handing the job sight unseen as has been done for at least every season since 2007 or even earlier
We agree completely
May the QB who wins the full, fair competition in TC and the first 3 PS games be the Jets starting QB in 2015.
It will be a very positive outcome IMO, not handing the job sight unseen as has been done for at least every season since 2007 or even earlier
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flgreen
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Here's what Bowles said before the Gailey statement:
“You can’t have equal first-team reps with a quarterback,” Bowles said at the NFL meetings on Tuesday. “Geno will start out taking them, but that doesn’t mean that Ryan can’t take his spot if Ryan’s playing better and performing better.
Obviously, we have to cross that bridge when we get to it for him to take the position... I would be sitting here lying if I said they’re going to get equal reps. Geno is going to take reps with the first team and Ryan’s going to take reps with the second team.” http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...ting-qb-entering-camp-coach-article-1.2160621
After the Gailey statement, Bowles started spinning a bit to prevent the media from going on a feeding frenzy, but basically said the same thing.
Interpretation: It's the plan right now for Geno Smith to be the opening day starter. Fitz is not going to be given equal 1st team reps. to compete, but it is possible he could win the job if Smith continues to be horrible.
Not exactly an endorsement for a fair "open competition" for the QB spot. It's nearly impossible to take a starting QB's job with out first team reps.
Smith has historically played OK in camp, he doesn't self destruct until the regular season when games count. I'm expecting Gailey will improve his game some. Maybe from the 32nd rated QB to maybe 22-23.
Myself I think it's a mistake. Think for the first few weeks of camp both QB should get equal reps. Best guy wins. After the second pre-season game select a winner. If it's Smith, so be it.
Saying that there will be a competition, but one QB is going to get 1st team reps, and the other is going to be playing with the scrubs, isn't genuine.
IMO Galiey was right Smith will be the opening day starter unless he decides to leave NY before the second day of camp.
“You can’t have equal first-team reps with a quarterback,” Bowles said at the NFL meetings on Tuesday. “Geno will start out taking them, but that doesn’t mean that Ryan can’t take his spot if Ryan’s playing better and performing better.
Obviously, we have to cross that bridge when we get to it for him to take the position... I would be sitting here lying if I said they’re going to get equal reps. Geno is going to take reps with the first team and Ryan’s going to take reps with the second team.” http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...ting-qb-entering-camp-coach-article-1.2160621
After the Gailey statement, Bowles started spinning a bit to prevent the media from going on a feeding frenzy, but basically said the same thing.
Interpretation: It's the plan right now for Geno Smith to be the opening day starter. Fitz is not going to be given equal 1st team reps. to compete, but it is possible he could win the job if Smith continues to be horrible.
Not exactly an endorsement for a fair "open competition" for the QB spot. It's nearly impossible to take a starting QB's job with out first team reps.
Smith has historically played OK in camp, he doesn't self destruct until the regular season when games count. I'm expecting Gailey will improve his game some. Maybe from the 32nd rated QB to maybe 22-23.
Myself I think it's a mistake. Think for the first few weeks of camp both QB should get equal reps. Best guy wins. After the second pre-season game select a winner. If it's Smith, so be it.
Saying that there will be a competition, but one QB is going to get 1st team reps, and the other is going to be playing with the scrubs, isn't genuine.
IMO Galiey was right Smith will be the opening day starter unless he decides to leave NY before the second day of camp.
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IMO Cimini nails it here
2015 New York Jets training camp preview
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Rich Cimini, ESPN Staff Writer
The New York Jets open training camp on July 29 at their training facility in Florham Park, New Jersey. Here's a closer look at the Jets' camp, which wraps up on Aug. 27:
Top storyline: It's the quarterback "situation" or "competition," depending on how you want to frame it. Semantics aside, it's Geno Smith's job to lose. Privately, the organization wants Smith to put a stranglehold on the job because he has a higher ceiling than Ryan Fitzpatrick, but the team won't hand Smith the job. He has to show something -- anything -- in the preseason to nail it down.
Here's another way to look at it: He'd really have to stink it up this summer not to be the Week 1 starter. The hope is that Smith, in Chan Gailey's quick-read, quick-throw offense, can find his way after two wildly erratic seasons -- 41 turnovers in 30 games. The system is closer to what he played in college than the previous offense (West Coast), so maybe he can finally solidify the position. Or not.
Smith's track record, coupled with Gailey's confidence in the wise but limited Fitzpatrick, makes a quarterback change seem inevitable at some point during the season.
The other big story, of course, is new coach Todd Bowles.
He replaces the brash Rex Ryan, whose fingerprints remain. Bowles' job is to win over a team that enjoyed Ryan's loose, free-wheeling style. He already has his first taste of adversity -- Sheldon Richardson's four-game suspension for violating the league's substance-abuse policy, which tainted an otherwise blissful offseason. Welcome to New York, coach.
Position battles to watch: For a team that was bad in 2014, the Jets have surprisingly few spots up for grabs. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. General manager Mike Maccagnan did a nice job of spending Woody Johnson's money and patching the major holes, but you can't fix a broken-down franchise in one offseason. The biggest concern is at right guard, where aging incumbent Willie Colon faces a challenge from Brian Winters, Oday Aboushi and Brent Qvale. The Jets would like to infuse young blood into an aging offensive line, but the next John Hannah isn't walking through the door. Winters and Aboushi have had their chances in the past; maybe Qvale -- a former practice-squad player -- will surprise everyone and win the job. Another competitive position is running back. Chris Ivory, last year's leading rusher, will go into camp as the starter, but he'll be pushed by newcomers Zac Stacy and Stevan Ridley, if healthy. The depth is decent, but where's the breakaway threat?
Veterans to watch: If the Jets hope to make the playoffs, they'll need Darrelle Revis and Brandon Marshall, their biggest offseason acquisitions, to be ... well, Darrelle Revis and Brandon Marshall. For Marshall, it means bouncing back after an injury-plagued season with the Chicago Bears. At 31, he still has enough in the tank for a 1,000-yard season (FYI: The Jets haven't had one since Jerricho Cotchery in 2007), but his on-field chemistry with Smith bears watching. Marshall is notoriously tough on his quarterbacks when things go awry. The Jets paid an above-market price to bring back Revis ($39 million guaranteed), and they expect him to remain at an elite level. He will. With Revis and Antonio Cromartie reunited, the secondary should be among the top three. Another storyline will be Muhammad Wilkerson, assuming he's not a training-camp holdout. Unhappy with his contract, Wilkerson enters the final year of his rookie deal determined to make a loud statement on the field.
Rookies to watch: Because of Richardson's suspension, first-round pick Leonard Williams will get a shot to nail down a starting job on the defensive line. So much for being eased in; Richardson's absence puts Williams, the sixth overall pick, on an accelerated program. The plodding offense could really use Devin Smith's speed at wide receiver, so look for the second-round pick to be put on the accelerated program as well. Third-round linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin will get a chance to unseat Calvin Pace, but it might be a stretch, considering the nuances of the strongside position in Bowles' defense. Quarterback Bryce Petty, a fourth-round pick, will enjoy camp more than anyone. He's in a pressure-free situation, as the fans will be screaming for him to replace Smith no matter how he performs.
Bubble watch: This could be an unpleasant summer for certain veterans. It's the cold side of the business: new coach in town, old guys are vulnerable -- i.e. Colon, Pace and pass-rusher Jason Babin. A handful of minimum-salary vets will have to play their way onto the roster: defensive linemen Stephen Bowen and Kevin Vickerson, linebackers Erin Henderson and Joe Mays, along with a few others. Of the aforementioned players, Pace is the safest. The Richardson suspension increases the value of Bowen and Vickerson. Looking for a surprise cut? Keep an eye on fullback Tommy Bohanon. Offseason spending spree notwithstanding, there's still a need for youth and speed on both sides of the ball.
Quarterback controversy: The veterans are behind Geno Smith, but that could change if they get off to a bad start. The Jets have an unusual dynamic: It's a veteran, win-now team -- it's not a rebuilding year -- but the quarterback position is shaky. The older players don't want to kiss off the season just so Smith can continue to learn on the job. With Fitzpatrick in the bullpen, Smith could lose the team if he doesn't show early improvement. No one sees Fitzpatrick as a cure-all, but he'd be the better option if the Geno Coaster continues into Year 3.
For daily updates at camp, check out the New York Jets' clubhouse page.
2015 New York Jets training camp preview
40m
Rich Cimini, ESPN Staff Writer
The New York Jets open training camp on July 29 at their training facility in Florham Park, New Jersey. Here's a closer look at the Jets' camp, which wraps up on Aug. 27:
Top storyline: It's the quarterback "situation" or "competition," depending on how you want to frame it. Semantics aside, it's Geno Smith's job to lose. Privately, the organization wants Smith to put a stranglehold on the job because he has a higher ceiling than Ryan Fitzpatrick, but the team won't hand Smith the job. He has to show something -- anything -- in the preseason to nail it down.
Here's another way to look at it: He'd really have to stink it up this summer not to be the Week 1 starter. The hope is that Smith, in Chan Gailey's quick-read, quick-throw offense, can find his way after two wildly erratic seasons -- 41 turnovers in 30 games. The system is closer to what he played in college than the previous offense (West Coast), so maybe he can finally solidify the position. Or not.
Smith's track record, coupled with Gailey's confidence in the wise but limited Fitzpatrick, makes a quarterback change seem inevitable at some point during the season.
The other big story, of course, is new coach Todd Bowles.
He replaces the brash Rex Ryan, whose fingerprints remain. Bowles' job is to win over a team that enjoyed Ryan's loose, free-wheeling style. He already has his first taste of adversity -- Sheldon Richardson's four-game suspension for violating the league's substance-abuse policy, which tainted an otherwise blissful offseason. Welcome to New York, coach.
Position battles to watch: For a team that was bad in 2014, the Jets have surprisingly few spots up for grabs. That could be a good thing or a bad thing. General manager Mike Maccagnan did a nice job of spending Woody Johnson's money and patching the major holes, but you can't fix a broken-down franchise in one offseason. The biggest concern is at right guard, where aging incumbent Willie Colon faces a challenge from Brian Winters, Oday Aboushi and Brent Qvale. The Jets would like to infuse young blood into an aging offensive line, but the next John Hannah isn't walking through the door. Winters and Aboushi have had their chances in the past; maybe Qvale -- a former practice-squad player -- will surprise everyone and win the job. Another competitive position is running back. Chris Ivory, last year's leading rusher, will go into camp as the starter, but he'll be pushed by newcomers Zac Stacy and Stevan Ridley, if healthy. The depth is decent, but where's the breakaway threat?
Veterans to watch: If the Jets hope to make the playoffs, they'll need Darrelle Revis and Brandon Marshall, their biggest offseason acquisitions, to be ... well, Darrelle Revis and Brandon Marshall. For Marshall, it means bouncing back after an injury-plagued season with the Chicago Bears. At 31, he still has enough in the tank for a 1,000-yard season (FYI: The Jets haven't had one since Jerricho Cotchery in 2007), but his on-field chemistry with Smith bears watching. Marshall is notoriously tough on his quarterbacks when things go awry. The Jets paid an above-market price to bring back Revis ($39 million guaranteed), and they expect him to remain at an elite level. He will. With Revis and Antonio Cromartie reunited, the secondary should be among the top three. Another storyline will be Muhammad Wilkerson, assuming he's not a training-camp holdout. Unhappy with his contract, Wilkerson enters the final year of his rookie deal determined to make a loud statement on the field.
Rookies to watch: Because of Richardson's suspension, first-round pick Leonard Williams will get a shot to nail down a starting job on the defensive line. So much for being eased in; Richardson's absence puts Williams, the sixth overall pick, on an accelerated program. The plodding offense could really use Devin Smith's speed at wide receiver, so look for the second-round pick to be put on the accelerated program as well. Third-round linebacker Lorenzo Mauldin will get a chance to unseat Calvin Pace, but it might be a stretch, considering the nuances of the strongside position in Bowles' defense. Quarterback Bryce Petty, a fourth-round pick, will enjoy camp more than anyone. He's in a pressure-free situation, as the fans will be screaming for him to replace Smith no matter how he performs.
Bubble watch: This could be an unpleasant summer for certain veterans. It's the cold side of the business: new coach in town, old guys are vulnerable -- i.e. Colon, Pace and pass-rusher Jason Babin. A handful of minimum-salary vets will have to play their way onto the roster: defensive linemen Stephen Bowen and Kevin Vickerson, linebackers Erin Henderson and Joe Mays, along with a few others. Of the aforementioned players, Pace is the safest. The Richardson suspension increases the value of Bowen and Vickerson. Looking for a surprise cut? Keep an eye on fullback Tommy Bohanon. Offseason spending spree notwithstanding, there's still a need for youth and speed on both sides of the ball.
Quarterback controversy: The veterans are behind Geno Smith, but that could change if they get off to a bad start. The Jets have an unusual dynamic: It's a veteran, win-now team -- it's not a rebuilding year -- but the quarterback position is shaky. The older players don't want to kiss off the season just so Smith can continue to learn on the job. With Fitzpatrick in the bullpen, Smith could lose the team if he doesn't show early improvement. No one sees Fitzpatrick as a cure-all, but he'd be the better option if the Geno Coaster continues into Year 3.
For daily updates at camp, check out the New York Jets' clubhouse page.
This is what I remember him saying, but in all honesty, the last 2 weeks or so I havent paid much attention to jets stories outside of that idiot Richardson. I honestly wanted to make sure i didnt miss a new spin on this ever spinning story.
So nothing has changed...geno is #1 unless he drops the ball, then Fitz can take his spot if he also doesn't look like crap playing with #2s .
So there isn't an "open competition," Bowles original statement of it Geno's job to lose beginning next week still holds true. Thanks for clarifying.
Im not arguing if he'll lose it, he may or may not. Some feel he will, I have no idea. I really believe in Gaily, and Gaily is the guy who isn't sitting on the fence. he 100% said who he believes the starting QB will be...but trusts his safety net. Which is also the politically correct thing to say, behind closed doors, who knows what he thinks.
Well, bullets start flying soon, and whether its Fitz or Geno, I hope they name the starter for week 1 soon (after the 1st preseason game) so we can shift the Jets articles and focus someplace else. Some may not want the starter named after 1 preseason game, but most teams are building their offense around their QB's skill sets all preseason...thats what I want Gaily doing, implementing his system customized for his QB ASAP...whoever that is. By week 1, he should have his entire offense implemented and curtailed towards his QBs strengths. The longer we let this hang in the wind, the worse our offense will be this season...
Bowles will over rule his OC, DC, STC and any one below him if he feels there is a player who is hindering the team.
If Geno's play is holding back this squad by week 4, there will be an immediate change. People keep forgetting, This regime did not acquire Smith, they will not be patient with him, especially that he is no rookie. Bowles is no where near as laxed as his predecessor who enjoys the front pages for all the wrong reasons, and relishes in it. Bolwes is a no nonsense ball coach who has learned from the best of them.
Make no mistake, Geno is on a very short leash.
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That's not true. You claim if you want Geno to get a fair shake, you get attacked? That's nonsense. If you truly do not understand, I can spell it out for you?
It's not about the site wanting Fitz to have an unfair advantage over Geno Smith. They want a legitimate, honest 100% open QB competition.
But NO ONE thinks Geno is any good whether he wins or not. Everyone knows in their hearts of hearts that the Jets do NOT have the ultimate solution for the next 10 seasons in Geno Smith. Geno Smith will be lucky to last through the 2015 season if he does.
Well I think you are wrong. You are correct that Bowles and Gailey have no ties to Geno, yet they chose him and are designing the offense around him. The leash will NOT be short. Only Jets fans would think it will be.
I didn't recognize you spoke for everyone. Thanks for educating me.
Now that the Jets have head coach that cares about the offense we're going to find out.
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1) I hope Geno turns out to be a franchise QB. it is clearly the best scenario for the Jets
2) If he plays early the way he has the last two years, I hope you are right and they give him the hook quickly.
3) Fitz will start if Smith falters, but IMO the presence of Petty puts more pressure on Smith. They have a talented, but very green QB in the wings for Gailey to work with for the future if Smith falls through his butt again.
We don't really know who Bowles is right now. So far it all looks good, but how he handles the current QB situation is going to be a big indicator to the fans