Are we any better now than we were two years ago?
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Until we get a QB we will always be the same and this dipshit coach won't let us find out if we have one. I hate to even say "we" because I'm losing touch with this organization every day.
Nope
I loved the Rex hire
2 great seasons
Got tired of the Rex blowhard bravado
No player support at the end.
Was Extremly wishy washy on the Bowles hire.
Hated how he blew 2 to Buffalo
Especially the final
So last year sucked even with 10 wins
No fire, Extremly blah
Hate how he coaches
So now
Miss the Rex Blowhard Bravado.
I loved the Rex hire
2 great seasons
Got tired of the Rex blowhard bravado
No player support at the end.
Was Extremly wishy washy on the Bowles hire.
Hated how he blew 2 to Buffalo
Especially the final
So last year sucked even with 10 wins
No fire, Extremly blah
Hate how he coaches
So now
Miss the Rex Blowhard Bravado.
Rex was fine when he had a GM giving him players to fit his schemes. Bowles I wanted only because of firing Rex. Bowles is a huge disaster & I say this only because he allows Players & Gailey to do what ever they want knowing he wont do anything to them. Players out of shape & allowed to play (Revis) Players playing hard only a handful of times during games(Richardson-Wilkerson) & sticking with a QB who only has till end of season to play well in hoping for a long contract some where (Fitz). Playing Fitz only benefits Fitz. Why? Because he needs to play well to get signed by another team. While Bowles doing this, he is hurting Jets future not finding out if Jets have a back up or Starter on roster. We know Geno isnt the answer before Drafting him & Jets 2nd round Super star(sarcastic) QB of the future might be ready after 6 years of teaching basics fundamentals at QB ,isnt ready. This leaves 1 QB & Bowles wont play him. Draft coming & not much at QB but maybe 1 risk. NO UPSIDE to Jets future with this Coach. What Rex did in first 2 seasons will not happen with Bowles who is also a Coaching project & might be good in 5 years.
SNY says that big Mack should be getting some of the blame. I think they gave him a (c- & D) in this years draft.
They think TB has been better this year then last year. They said he is only a second year HC.
For needs TE, OL CB etc.
Folks I agree with them
They think TB has been better this year then last year. They said he is only a second year HC.
For needs TE, OL CB etc.
Folks I agree with them
full disclosure scotch?? you're an unababashed bowles guy, at least due in part to your/his arizona connection, no??
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did they give any reasoning on why he is doing a better job than last year?
Better game management less mistakes
Yes I have always said that but I thought he would be better so far as most of you do......Long term I have faith he will go well
I disagree entirely. Mac is the guy who should be trusted right now. It's too early to truly judge this draft, but if we looked at the draft and UDFA, it's tough to bash Mac right now.
Bowles, on the other hand, has lost me at times. It's not just his gameday decisions, which leaves all coaches up to second-guessing by armchair HCs. It's the handling of QB. It's not adjusting enough to address the weaknesses in the secondary. It's not making the most of a top DL. It's the team's woeful performances coming out of the locker room for second halves.
I see too much talent on this team to be 3-8.
And that's why I think Bowles is much more the problem than Maccagnan.
And that's why I think Bowles is much more the problem than Maccagnan.
Maybe its the wrong kind of talent. Mo has turned out to be lazy and happy he has money. Revis is barely a football player anymore. Sheldon's attitude has always sucked. OL is washed up and old. No TE. I actually think this team has very little talent. Maybe 5-6 years ago these guys were good. Hard to win with old wasted up guys. Mangold, Revis, Harris, Clady, Forte, Fitz. They all need to be cut immediately despite the cap hit.
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Mainejet
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First of all, I want everyone to know that a bad season of this nature is always more than one persons fault. This season is most certainly group effort. Just as any good season would be a group effort.
With that said, there are varying levels of responsibility and that's where it becomes much more specific and subjective.
My feeling is that although Mac has definitely played his part in this, neglecting the OL, trading for Clady and now that has blown up in his face, etc. I think he should be retained. His infractions are not so serious as to clearly indicate he is in over his head. He should be aware of the mistakes he made going forward and know if it becomes a habit, he will likely lose his job.
Specifically the coaching is where I find the larger problem. Allowing players that are not in shape to play, accepting laziness, inability to motivate players, etc. and so on. This is why I believe the CS should be changed. At the end of the day it is Todd Bowles that bears all of the blame for every wrongdoing of his staff members. That's normal in football.
The bottom line is the product has suffered so much that it is no longer fun to watch the games. That is a death sentence for an owner if he allows it to continue. When that happens people stop showing up for games, the team as a result may become less profitable. It's all interconnected and this is why I believe action is absolutely necessary.
A$$es much be occupying seats and the team must remain profitable in order for things to forward and improvements are feasible to make to the team.
In the end, My belief is that Todd Bowles bears the brunt of responsibility for this debacle. There's way too much talent on this team for them to be playing so poorly. What is most evident is that is that everyone wanted Rex Ryan fired because it seemed like the only time that the team was motivated to play was against the Patsies. Please tell me how Todd Bowles has made this team any better. They've played horribly against just about everyone this season and really gave an admirable effort against the Patriots.
This just isn't what anyone signed up for........
With that said, there are varying levels of responsibility and that's where it becomes much more specific and subjective.
My feeling is that although Mac has definitely played his part in this, neglecting the OL, trading for Clady and now that has blown up in his face, etc. I think he should be retained. His infractions are not so serious as to clearly indicate he is in over his head. He should be aware of the mistakes he made going forward and know if it becomes a habit, he will likely lose his job.
Specifically the coaching is where I find the larger problem. Allowing players that are not in shape to play, accepting laziness, inability to motivate players, etc. and so on. This is why I believe the CS should be changed. At the end of the day it is Todd Bowles that bears all of the blame for every wrongdoing of his staff members. That's normal in football.
The bottom line is the product has suffered so much that it is no longer fun to watch the games. That is a death sentence for an owner if he allows it to continue. When that happens people stop showing up for games, the team as a result may become less profitable. It's all interconnected and this is why I believe action is absolutely necessary.
A$$es much be occupying seats and the team must remain profitable in order for things to forward and improvements are feasible to make to the team.
In the end, My belief is that Todd Bowles bears the brunt of responsibility for this debacle. There's way too much talent on this team for them to be playing so poorly. What is most evident is that is that everyone wanted Rex Ryan fired because it seemed like the only time that the team was motivated to play was against the Patsies. Please tell me how Todd Bowles has made this team any better. They've played horribly against just about everyone this season and really gave an admirable effort against the Patriots.
This just isn't what anyone signed up for........
I agree... top to botttom this team has talent.. young guys and Vets... We are 3-8 fro 2 reasons in my opinion... Fitz and Bowles..
I agree with the wrong kind of talent but they both need more time to grow.
I really don't see all the talent you folks see...no hands Marshall is a fool. Fitz is not a starter. & the Gm has old guys that are ....lol.....real old. NO TE...but I still defend big mac he needs more time
Panther were in the SB last year with QB Cam Newton and basically have the same team as last year, only this year they can't seem to win. Revis packing it in has more to do with us losing this year than the QB. We were close in all our early games until Revis started giving up the big plays. The team stopped believing after so many close losses IMO.
The Eric Decker injury hurt the offense for sure. Fitz had good chemistry with him. But Enunwa and Brandon Marshall should be enough to compensate. It just hasn't happened. Fitz has regressed, and it's a big part of the team's disappointing performance.
Bowles is also worthy of blame. His demeanor is questionable to me. I understand that the players like him, but does he really hold people accountable enough? This team seems like it lacks structure. Too many flat showings throughout the season. That's the responsibility of the coaching staff, IMO.
I don't think you can excuse this defense, either. Vastly overrated based on expectations. I believe that we have the necessary players, but they're either A). Not being used correctly, or B). Not preparing themselves well enough for game day. I cannot understand how this defense isn't destroying QB's and getting more turnovers.
I hate to debate on this argument but last year Fitz wasn't better he was just lucky or to say the least have confidence in throwing into areas that his receivers will go fight for the receptions... There were clear instances that Fitz threw passes into triple coverage(s) throughout the year only to be bailed out by Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker and Quincy Enunwa... This year we have witnessed Brandon Marshall literally playing half way, what I mean he is not fighting to go and get the passes that Fitz is throwing to the area where Marshall isn't completing his routes... Marshall looks disinterested at times, who knows what is going through that thick skull of his... Last year if it wasn't for those three receivers, Fitz could have had an additional 10 - 12 more interceptions then he had... This year is the year of excuses which Jets fan actually should be used too with the last two regimes, err mean Rex Ryan era...
As for the Todd Bowles aspect of the problems or state of the team, anyone hired after Rex was going to get questionable reviews... Bowles is a laid back individual that might not be as open through the media to fans desires and wishes but he has the respect of this roster... If he didn't they wouldn't be fighting every game... They are competitors but it takes one bad apple to deflate a roster and this roster is far from turned over since the hiring of both Maccagnan and Bowles... They had a plan and exceeded expectations last year but the real look of talent on this roster showed up this year, unfortunately... No matter how good or bad the coaching seems to be, when you don't have a compliment of players that fit your system, or have a lack of effort from key veteran players that feel they are expected to carry the load at each own's position may pack it in... Not saying any have but injuries alone are the one feat no coach or front office can predict...
After this season we will see another substantial roster shakeup to bring in player(s) either from free agency or the draft that are more suitable to the style this coaching staff is trying to incorporate... Currently we have an outstanding twenty four first and second year player(s) on this roster, come next year can probably see having almost forty up to three years experience on the roster which would literally bring the age level almost down to the youngest team in the league... Developing a roster from scratch is hard, especially being an organization that was one of the oldest for many years now... Patience is needed, but individual progress has been made throughout the roster that should have fans excited, well at least I am...
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Mainejet
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Yeah, I saw that also.......And I agree with it about as much as everyone else on this site. In every important area of coaching X's and O's, motivating players, teaching a disciplined game, holding players accountable for their actions, etc. Todd Bowles has absolutely failed even worse than last season.
For me what is proof positive of that is his unwillingness to mix things up. His unwillingness to make changes in the starting lineup in an effort to motivate the team. It's not just QB where change is necessary, you could take your pick of any number of players on defense? He's just stoic. He's lifeless.
This guy is supposed to be a Parcells disciple. Can anyone honestly say Parcells would sit idly bye while this team loses game after game the way this team has? There's NO way he would ever allowed that. He would have made changes and mixed things up by week 6 the latest.
So my feeling is although he may have coached under Parcells, the guy never retained a thing he learned from the man.................
We are terrible.
This preformance tonight has me more disappointed in this team than I think I've ever been. I knew we weren't going anywhere this season, but I expected the team to show some pride tonight.
Instead, we look like complete chumps. We look like the Browns at their worst.
Disgusted.
This preformance tonight has me more disappointed in this team than I think I've ever been. I knew we weren't going anywhere this season, but I expected the team to show some pride tonight.
Instead, we look like complete chumps. We look like the Browns at their worst.
Disgusted.