Are we Jets fans delusioned about this season?
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I have said it before but I think to really be successful, you need to have a QB that can make plays. And I do not believe Fitz makes plays at QB, Making plays to me means a few things. Third downs, red zone, extending plays with feet, sack avoidance, adjusted YPA, making all the throws. Let's look at one:
Making plays on third down (2014):
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 57/94 662yds 60.6% 7.04 YPA 3TDs 2ints 83.7 rating
Geno Smith: 63/115 917 yds 54.8 %7.97 YPA 8TDs 4 ints 89.7 rating
So the "worst QB in the NFL" was basically even or slightly better even last year than Fitz. Now that is not to say that is good. Rodgers as an example was
81/134 1228 yards 60.4 % 9.16 YPA, 15TDs and 2 ints
But the veteran QB in Fitz was not better at this important down.
hard to find stats for the others, but Geno is poorly rated because he fumbles a lot, throws more pics (though he was better last year) and gets sacked a lot. Now all of those are bad, so I understand somewhat the ones that move on, but he improved last year at them and would have been much better at these this year. And Fitz is not great at these things either. Combine that with the ability to make plays and I think we are likely better off with Geno in a 3rd year with better weapons and a real OC.
Anyone can find stats to make any argument of course. But 3rd down stats from geno with a great running game and a full season and late season inflated numbers from gimme games vs. Fitz whose top receiver was out, foster was injured, and he broke his leg after 10 games of inspiring ball. 3rd down success had a lot to do with a real threat of a running game. Not to mention things like difficulty of schedule, etc.
Geno is frustrating because he can make good plays. But then he will single handedly throw the game away and deflate the defense.
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Geno is awful, everyone knows that.
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Maybe its because Geno was the QB I watched the most, but his sack avoidance always seemed to turn into point avoidance. If Bowles and Co. think Geno is best for their plans then I will still root for him to succeed despite what I think of him as a human. Our QB situation is not the best but I believe the players and coaches believe Fitz can carry the team this year.
On Defense, for the first time in a long time we are going to bring heat with 4 or 5 defenders leaving 6 to 7 in coverage. We are stacked on the backside too. I think we are going to see a more patient defense without being so vanilla that offenses get comfortable...the key is Williams & Mo getting to the QB.
* as to which, you should have confidence.
On Offense, I just can't see how people aren't seeing the most obvious addition by subtraction in the history of the game...Rex is gone.
With our new HC, we have a new OC who runs a traditional Offense taking what the D gives with * no wild cat and * no disruptions to what is working.
IMO, all of the "so-so" talent we have isn't "so-so"...TE, RB, WR- we have good players; really good! Fitz doesn't need to do anything special. He needs to be patient and dole the ball to people "who can" make plays. As Jet fans we've forgotten what that looks like going through Schotty, Sparano, and a Rex-stymied Marty.
I am not overtly giddy, but I am really interested in looking at a team with talent who doesn't blitz 8 on a 3rd and 19 giving up 20 (as that happened a lot), and an offense willing to matriculate...ps, much is made of Fitz's arm. he's got plenty for bombs when he can get air under it. This guy is more than game manager.
So call it Kool aid, but I think we're a team without glaring holes and more talent than we're getting credit for.
I don't see 11-5 out of the question.
* as to which, you should have confidence.
On Offense, I just can't see how people aren't seeing the most obvious addition by subtraction in the history of the game...Rex is gone.
With our new HC, we have a new OC who runs a traditional Offense taking what the D gives with * no wild cat and * no disruptions to what is working.
IMO, all of the "so-so" talent we have isn't "so-so"...TE, RB, WR- we have good players; really good! Fitz doesn't need to do anything special. He needs to be patient and dole the ball to people "who can" make plays. As Jet fans we've forgotten what that looks like going through Schotty, Sparano, and a Rex-stymied Marty.
I am not overtly giddy, but I am really interested in looking at a team with talent who doesn't blitz 8 on a 3rd and 19 giving up 20 (as that happened a lot), and an offense willing to matriculate...ps, much is made of Fitz's arm. he's got plenty for bombs when he can get air under it. This guy is more than game manager.
So call it Kool aid, but I think we're a team without glaring holes and more talent than we're getting credit for.
I don't see 11-5 out of the question.
Agreed. All I know is we are better than the last two years.
I see this is turning out to be another Geno vs. Fitz QB debate, when it wasn't intented to be. I definitely didn't start this thread for that! I think its safe to say for all of us that WE ALL wished Petty was ready enough to be an average contributor at least and mentally ready to play. Not only would we not be having any QB debates but we would all feel more confident in our chances to win 10-11 games. That right there shows you how bad our QB situation is. I personally think Petty is ready enough mentally and can give us at least average QB play to be what we need this year. Maybe that's just me seeing only what I want to see and wishing for what just isn't possible right now.
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Lakerfan80
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Fitz can be an average QB if thats all your looking for from the QB. Do you think Petty is more capable than Fitz this season? That's all that matters right now. The coaches don't think Petty is ready to win 10-11 games, plus he hasn't faced a real defense in his football career.
Cautiously optimistic. We have better quality and depth this year throughout the roster than years past. The QBing should be more consistent, and the defense should provide more big plays than the last couple of years. The critical things to look for are turnover differential, ability to control the ball on offense and limiting mental errors. If we can significantly improve on these 3 things, we can overcome our lack of a great QB and be in a position to make the playoffs. Perhaps I am delusional, but I am hopeful that this team (players, coaches and management) are capable of turning the franchise around.
From what I saw in pre-season, I think Petty can give us average play at least. Which is no less then we would have gotten out of Fitz and probably Geno anyway. Can Petty mentally handle the game right now is the question. I would hope he can but haven't seen enough to know. Like I said before, its probably just me wanting to see what isnt there yet and just wishing Petty was ready. I'm done with Geno after this jawbreak fiasco and I NEVER wanted to see Fitz on the field as our QB period.
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Lakerfan80
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Gailey was quoted saying he doesn't like where Petty is right now but like where he is headed. It's wishful thinking on your part.
I figured so, lol
We may have our answer watching the Browns. If we crush them, we may have a pretty good team on our hands. But if we squeak by or, yes, even lose to them, it could be another very long season.
I agree completely. We missed this telling sign when we squeaked by the raiders last year.
i was thinking the same thing. let's not forget, we started last season with a W against a pretty talent-starved raiders.
i think we're a little underrated, but some kinder things are started to be said about the jets around ny, given how bad it's looking for the giants right now.
I don't know about that. Bullets start flying for real tomorrow. Pettine was no slouch of a D Coord, so I would anticipate a healthy amount of the kitchen sink being thrown at the Offense.
* If we squeak by without the benefit of "Brady to Gronk & Edelman relationships" already formed, does that mean we should expect that for the remainder of the season?
* or should we expect better as the hand and glove fit better together?
Let me add that when I say "crushing the Browns," I'm not necessarily referring to a blowout final score. It's more of a general feeling you should get by the end of the 1st quarter to the middle of the 2nd quarter. Is it clear that the Jets are dominating? That nothing the Browns do on offense is working? Constant 3 and outs? While our offense is effortlessly moving down the field. That's what I mean by crushing. That should generally produce a blowout, but it might not depending on when the 2nd and 3rd stringers are put into the game, or perhaps giving up a couple late scores due to a couple of late turnovers. That might tighten up the final score, but if in the end I can say to myself that the Browns never really had a chance, that would be a crushing in my view.
Hope that's what we see.
Hope that's what we see.