Attention, Dee Milliner: Jets' former No. 1 picks aren't safe

[lounap23]

I think we always try to make these arguments about why a guy could be good, if this happens, or if that happens ... But the players who are actually good don't need that. You can just see that they're good because they play well. In other words, we are constantly trying to convince ourselves that the players we have are better than they are.

I think that's my argumetn here. We have seen him play well.... Injuries have been his issue... Also, maybe his skill set just isn't something that fits what Bowles wants to do... Makes him a bust to us but could be gold for another team.

Like Coples, dude is not an OLB pass rusher in a 3-4.... He is a 4-3 DE... He very well may go on to be a player in this league he just wasn't going to be in our scheme...

 

[LGM]

Ill trust Coach Bowles' assessment on defensive backs

At least he knows something about the subject unlike the Genius who ruined Antonio Allen and nearly did the same to Calvin Pryor by playing them completely out of position to.squeeze them into some cast in stone spot required in his father's 1980s vintage 46 defense

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

No, I'm saying Milliner DID NOT win defensive player of the month. He won Defensive ROOKIE,of the month world of difference.



And yes, it's just you. Bowles did say ' Chris Lopresti ‏@CLoprestiWFAN 24m24 minutes ago
Bowles says McDougle played over Milliner in the Dime package yesterday because he's more of an inside guy. Dee an outside guy. #NYJ"

Any way you look at it, he is saying McDougle is better inside then Milliner.

I guess you can chuckle all you want. (which is kind of strange in it's self) But in an absolute "must win" game, or your season is over, it's not a major assumption to make that Walls gets 50 snaps, over, as Bowles has said, a healthy Milliner's 0 snaps. That Bowles thinks that Walls is a better player.

If you would please share with us your "factual" "other possibilities" as to why Bowles would give an inferior player 50 snaps over a good player with the season on the line?

Thanks

Let's see. Considering Dee Milliner has been injured quite a bit, could conditioning and getting up to speed be a possibility? Sometimes players fall behind considerably when they miss time. I don't know. That's the point. I don't pretend to know, unlike some fans who are so sure of themselves in assuming why circumstances are as they are. Kinda like the whole Geno Smith situation.

Until I hear the words out of Bowles mouth "he's just not grasping the defense", or "Dee's struggling a little bit right now", or "We just don't have a position for Dee out there", I'll keep my mind open to many possibilities regarding why he's not out there.

Btw. Walls and McDougle were on the field much of the 2nd half getting smoked by Tannehill during garbage time. So maybe we will see Milliner soon enough, assuming he's 100% healthy.

 

[jetgreen13]

Let's see. Considering Dee Milliner has been injured quite a bit, could conditioning and getting up to speed be a possibility? Sometimes players fall behind considerably when they miss time. I don't know. That's the point. I don't pretend to know, unlike some fans who are so sure of themselves in assuming why circumstances are as they are. Kinda like the whole Geno Smith situation.

Until I hear the words out of Bowles mouth "he's just not grasping the defense", or "Dee's struggling a little bit right now", or "We just don't have a position for Dee out there", I'll keep my mind open to many possibilities regarding why he's not out there.

Btw. Walls and McDougle were on the field much of the 2nd half getting smoked by Tannehill during garbage time. So maybe we will see Milliner soon enough, assuming he's 100% healthy.

for a knowledgeable poster, (& i mean that sincerely) you tend to defend the indefensible like nobody's business!!

go jets!!

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

for a knowledgeable poster (& i mean that sincerely) you tend to defend the indefensible like nobody's business!!

Indefensible? I don't think there's anything wrong with another POV. I don't like assuming things, jumping to conclusions, and acting like I know why things transpired the way they did...

When I wasn't there.

Example: Coples. He gets released, some media hack reports that an altercation on the flight home was a reason for it, and everyone's imaginations run wild. Then Bowles and Coples both come out saying "what? No, that's not what happened". Sometimes things aren't as easily explainable as fans and media like to think they are. I'm not even going to rehash the Geno eruption around here, so let's not go there. I'm sure most people on this site are over that whole dumpster fire debate.

 

[Old#15]

Indefensible? I don't think there's anything wrong with another POV. I don't like assuming things, jumping to conclusions, and acting like I know why things transpired the way they did...

When I wasn't there.

Example: Coples. He gets released, some media hack reports that an altercation on the flight home was a reason for it, and everyone's imaginations run wild. Then Bowles and Coples both come out saying "what? No, that's not what happened". Sometimes things aren't as easily explainable as fans and media like to think they are. I'm not even going to rehash the Geno eruption around here, so let's not go there. I'm sure most people on this site are over that whole dumpster fire debate.

Good post.

 

[jetgreen13]

Indefensible? I don't think there's anything wrong with another POV. I don't like assuming things, jumping to conclusions, and acting like I know why things transpired the way they did...

When I wasn't there.

Example: Coples. He gets released, some media hack reports that an altercation on the flight home was a reason for it, and everyone's imaginations run wild. Then Bowles and Coples both come out saying "what? No, that's not what happened". Sometimes things aren't as easily explainable as fans and media like to think they are. I'm not even going to rehash the Geno eruption around here, so let's not go there. I'm sure most people on this site are over that whole dumpster fire debate.

...

go jets!!

 

[flgreen]

Indefensible? I don't think there's anything wrong with another POV. I don't like assuming things, jumping to conclusions, and acting like I know why things transpired the way they did...

When I wasn't there.

Example: Coples. He gets released, some media hack reports that an altercation on the flight home was a reason for it, and everyone's imaginations run wild. Then Bowles and Coples both come out saying "what? No, that's not what happened". Sometimes things aren't as easily explainable as fans and media like to think they are. I'm not even going to rehash the Geno eruption around here, so let's not go there. I'm sure most people on this site are over that whole dumpster fire debate.

Why bring it up? It is totally unrelated to this discussion.

BTW, this is a Jets' message board. The whole purpose of message boards are about speculating about what the Jets are doing. When overwhelming evidence is presented, like Bowles saying "Milliner is a healthy scratch", i feel pretty secure in thinking Milliner didn't play, and he's healthy. Other wise Bowles is lying for no apparent reason.

With that knowledge that he is healthy is presented, and a guy like Walls gets 50 snaps, and Milliner is active. and gets 0 snaps, it is also a very logical conclusion that Bowles thinks Walls gives them a better chance to win an absolute must win game.

There is a large difference between probability, and possibility. It is extremely probable, from the observable evidence, that Bowles doesn't have much regard for Milliner's out performing Walls. Of course It is slightly possible, for some secret reason, Bowles is deceiving everyone for some personal motive. Could be I guess.

Now if Milliner suddenly gets 50 snaps this week, it would change the equation.

Some fans also like to disagree with presented, and accepted evidence, and the logical conclusions drawn from them, simply because they don't fit their agenda. So they want to get all philosophical about jumping to conclusions because there is a .0000001% chance the evidence is wrong.

As I mentioned before, if you have any evidence that Bowles thinks Milliner is a better player, then the guys that actually played, please share it. Otherwise I have to assume you don't have anything to base your theory on.

 

[Bronx]

Skrines is a much better inside guy than Revis..... Nothing wrong with saying that... McDougle very well might be the better player inside than Milliner, coach would know better. That doesn't mean a whole lot... Bowles play to a players strength. Walls got more reps in practice than Milliner hence why he played and McDougle played and Milliner didn't. The question is why? We all have different takes on it but only Bowles knows the facts....

And my bad... Milliner was Defensive rookie of the month in Dec 13 and in week 17 that year he was Defensive Player of the Week.

And Coples has never been defensive anything.


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[the Claw]

Why bring it up? It is totally unrelated to this discussion.

BTW, this is a Jets' message board. The whole purpose of message boards are about speculating about what the Jets are doing. When overwhelming evidence is presented, like Bowles saying "Milliner is a healthy scratch", i feel pretty secure in thinking Milliner didn't play, and he's healthy. Other wise Bowles is lying for no apparent reason.

With that knowledge that he is healthy is presented, and a guy like Walls gets 50 snaps, and Milliner is active. and gets 0 snaps, it is also a very logical conclusion that Bowles thinks Walls gives them a better chance to win an absolute must win game.

There is a large difference between probability, and possibility. It is extremely probable, from the observable evidence, that Bowles doesn't have much regard for Milliner's out performing Walls. Of course It is slightly possible, for some secret reason, Bowles is deceiving everyone for some personal motive. Could be I guess.

Now if Milliner suddenly gets 50 snaps this week, it would change the equation.

Some fans also like to disagree with presented, and accepted evidence, and the logical conclusions drawn from them, simply because they don't fit their agenda. So they want to get all philosophical about jumping to conclusions because there is a .0000001% chance the evidence is wrong.

As I mentioned before, if you have any evidence that Bowles thinks Milliner is a better player, then the guys that actually played, please share it. Otherwise I have to assume you don't have anything to base your theory on.

Which presser is this quoted from? I'd like to hear it in context. He might not be saying he's "healthy," specifically. I've heard the phrase , "healthy scratch" used to describe guys who are easy to scratch off your list- generally the worst player. Just curious.

 

[Elias]

I agree with the assumptions that FLgreen makes about Milliner however I don't necessarily view this as a bad thing. The injury that Milliner is coming back from is not one that many come back from. He might not be playing at the same speed like he once was and the team is waiting for him to get that back. I have no doubt he'll turn out a better player than Walls who's just a JAG. Hopefully he can stay healthy

 

[flgreen]

Which presser is this quoted from? I'd like to hear it in context. He might not be saying he's "healthy," specifically. I've heard the phrase , "healthy scratch" used to describe guys who are easy to scratch off your list- generally the worst player. Just curious.

It was from the presser right after the game. A reporter asked why McDougle got 35 snaps, Walls got 50. He asked if Milliner was still injured. Bowles replied no, he was a healthy scratch". An yes, that "healthy scratch" line is usually used on players who aren't very good.

Milliner has been practicing full speed since October. Here is a quote, and link from Bowles from Nov. 6, saying he had been practicing full for two weeks, and he still wasn't going to bring him on to the 53, because it was a numbers thing. Also something HC's say about players they don't like. But can't cut.

'Milliner has been practicing with the team the past two weeks and is eligible to play Sunday, but coach Todd Bowles said it is unlikely the 24-year-old cornerback suits up against the Jaguars.



The reason has nothing to do with his wrist. Bowles stated Milliner is practicing at full speed.

“If I had to guess right now, I’d say no,” Bowles said Friday when asked if Milliner would be activated. “It’s just a numbers thing.”

http://nypost.com/2015/11/06/dee-milliner-is-finally-healthy-but-jets-dont-have-spot-for-him/


Not to mention the fact that even though Milliner didn't get any snaps on the defense, he played in 8 ST's plays against the Fish.. If a player is hurt so bad that he can't play, when there are other players injured and genuinely can't play, you surely don't put that injured player on ST's LOL.

With Revis still in concussion protocol, and it being unlikely that Williams will play with his sprained knee, i suspect that they will have to give a healthy Milliner some snaps. he better take advantage of his oportunity, it just might be his last one.

 

[the Claw]

Thanks. Yeah, Dee will almost HAVE to get snaps. Williams' MCL sprain should be rested. I hope he doesn't play.

Definitely doesn't seem like there is space in Bowles defense for Milliner. Much like Coples.

Personally, I think he's too fragile. He might be a really good corner, but we'll never know.

 

[Bronx]

Let's remember the Jets did not have to activate Milliner this season. They chose to activate him and use what is a valuable roster spot. Just sayin


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[Metjetgal]

This guy stinks and he's injury prone.

 

[Metjetgal]

I did not like the pick from the beginning. He was injury prone as heck, and I did not like the fact he was supposed to replace Revis.

 

[The Wicker Man]

I did not like the pick from the beginning. He was injury prone as heck, and I did not like the fact he was supposed to replace Revis.

He had a lot of surgeries but didn't miss many(if any) games at 'Bama.

What pissed me off(as it was reported) that he came into camp in '14 out of shape and then he got hurt.

 

[Golden Rott]

Kimberley A. Martin ‏@KMart_LI 25m25 minutes ago
Bowles on former first-rounder Dee Milliner not playing: "I’m not just going to put a guy in there, you have to take it.” #jets

Kimberley A. Martin ‏@KMart_LI 23m23 minutes ago
Todd said Dee has practiced well but other guys have practiced well too. "He’s in fball shape, he’s healthy. He just has to get his turn.”

 

[Elias]

Kimberley A. Martin ‏@KMart_LI 25m25 minutes ago
Bowles on former first-rounder Dee Milliner not playing: "I’m not just going to put a guy in there, you have to take it.” #jets

Kimberley A. Martin ‏@KMart_LI 23m23 minutes ago
Todd said Dee has practiced well but other guys have practiced well too. "He’s in fball shape, he’s healthy. He just has to get his turn.”

Pretty much going along with the tone of this whole thread. He hasn't shown much to replace others.

 

[The Wicker Man]

Marcus Williams, Darrin Walls, and Dion Bailey = all undrafted secondary guys. It's nice when guys aren't anointed their jobs because of their draft position.

I remember Cotchery's rookie year and he was catching everything thrown his way in camp and the pre-season games, but dummy Herm anointed Justin McCan'tcatch ahead of him.