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I'll ask you this. Why didn't he get even one snap this year, and the others did?
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I spoke to two talent evaluators about Milliner, one of whom studied him closely at Alabama. Neither one called him as an elite talent. They both said he doesn't possess the quick-twitch athleticism to thrive in a man-to-man scheme.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-je...ee-milliner-jets-former-no-1-picks-arent-safe
And you don't think there are " talent evaluators" who disagree with that? You don't think I can't find a source who thinks the contrary? Dee was a starter for Alabama. Most guys on the roster wouldn't have even been considered for that school
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He had surgery on his wrist and Bowles said he was 100%, and still didn't put him on the field. Not even once with the defense.
A healthy milliner didn't get any snaps anywhere. Inside, or outside. None.
Milliner had 4 decent games his rookie season. Other then that Zilch.
I suspect the only reason he might even be on the roster is because there is no financial gain in cutting him.
If they need the roster spot, or pick up another corner, or get Cro to play cheap,(probable) Milliner could be gone.
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The problem with this argument is that Bowles appears to disagree with you, and that's all that matters.
Bowles went to Temple not Bama, so maybe he's not impressed
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LOL
So I guess that means MJ is correct. if Bowles knew Milliner was much better then Cro, and still played Cro, he can't be much of a HC.
Actually I think Bowles is at least a decent HC, and put the best player on the field
The problem with your Bowles argument is that you use it and twist it to fit your argument. Like Geno was only there starter because Fitz was hurt. That was not the case. It turned out for the better , but you can't create your own history . You can't twist the truth to your liking
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Bronx where am I twisting my truth to my liking? My liking is that Milliner would have turned out to be the player Idzik thought he was, and replaced Revis.
Now what twisting truth to your liking is statements like these.
"Dee has the highest ceiling, except Revis, as an outside corner, of anyone on the roster" Definitive statement based on nothing
"Cro is gone, and it ain't Walls or Mcdougle. Dee will get his shot " Again I ask, Based on what? Just your opinion? That's cool. But certainly not a fact,or based on anything we've seen on the field.
" But it will be one of those two" You are so sure of that?
" Dee was hurt , and never got a chance after that." Dee was not hurt at that point. He wasn't playing well enough to take cro's job. Period
"Dee was a starter for Alabama. Most guys on the roster wouldn't have even been considered for that school" Gholson was a starter for OSU. How did that turn out?
As far as going to personal attacks, like "you use it and twist it to fit your argument." That's just a lie. When a HC week after week puts one player on the field, and the other one is either inactive, or only doing ST's, either the HC is an idiot, or he's pretty confident that the player is inferior to the one he's starting.
Using the fact, that Bowles started Cro over Milliner is hardly twisting things. It is very strong, and clear empirical evidence that Bowles believes, that even diminished , Cro is a better football player then Milliner. Just as Gailey's protesting that there was no QB competition, and Bowles refusing to put Smith on the field after Fitz tore his hand up, had surgery, and rushed Fitz back to play in pain, so he wouldn't have to play Smith, strongly indicates what he thought of smith..
Perhaps you can find some one to evaluates from Alabama to prove it didn't mean that, but I'll wait until you do.
Have a good day. In view of the fact that your going to start personal attacks that I'm twisting things, when all you have to prove that Milliner is a Super Star looking to happen as soon as he gets a chance, is your some what misguided opinion, I'll just move on.
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I'd rather release Milliner and utilize that money to bring back Marcus Williams, one who has proved he can play in this league. The kid has grit and quite honestly, i prefer him playing opposite Revis than Milliner or Cromartie.
IMHO, Milliner is a lost cause. I'am sure Mac will hang on to him until draft day.
IMHO, Milliner is a lost cause. I'am sure Mac will hang on to him until draft day.
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Thing is Dan, they don't get any cap relief from releasing Milliner. That is probably the only reason he will be back, at least in camp. If he can actually stay on field, and out play any one else he'll make the team. He's fighting for a roster spot at this point.
With that said, Marcus Williams is under contract next year for only $600,000. He has more then earned a roster spot. Barring something very unusual he will be on the team
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K Osemele is going to be very expensive to sign. ( probably out of Jets price range) Some team will give him left tackle money to play there for them . I expect their will be a bidding war for his services.( probably one of the first free agent signings on Day one- as a lot of teams are looking for a Lt.
K Osemele started three and half years at alt at Idaho. He came into league as a tackle, and was moved to guard because of need. Osemele played very well the last month of the season at Lt. He wants to play left tackle, and someone will give that option this offseason.
The teams that have the most cash- look for one to overpay him the first year. ( they can afford to do that-
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Although not a 1st round pick, Josh Norman played terrible his rookie year and lost his starting job in year two. Turned things around and now is one of the best. Will that happen for Milliner, who knows. As a Jet fan i hope so. Milner is under contract, no savings for releasing him. Let's go to camp, hopefully stay healthy and if he can't get on the field in "16 then it's probably time to cut bait. How long did Kyle Wilson get for crying' out loud.
HYATT™ has been pondering the Dee Milliner $4M a bit more.
At $4M GUARANTEED, (meaning the Jets pay him and take the cap hit whether he is on the roster or cut), the ONLY viable reason to cut him is if the Jets somehow find BETTER replacements that they can afford under the cap and not have to worry about that $4M.
Roster slots are always at a premium but there usually aren't 54 blue-chip players to be filling them all.
Milliner was ONCE considered good enough to warrant a #9 pick.
HYATT™ never saw it but a lot of scouts and GMs claimed they did.
Perhaps there is still something in that brittle body to prove their assessments at least somewhat valid.
$4M is sorta that tipping point where you just don't throw it out the window for the 53rd roster spot change of face.
$2M, no question, Milliner would be history.
There MIGHT be one avenue of escape we are unaware of.
Milliner may not have that $4M guaranteed against "Offset" - meaning if he is cut and the Jets have to eat the whole $4M - if another team signs him, their contract amount in 2016 offsets what the Jets owe him, up to the full $4M.
Say the Jets cut Milliner - $4M in the terlit.
3 weeks later MIA signs him for $2.5M with $1M guaranteed.
The Jets would then receive an offset of $2.5M if Milliner collects the entire $2.5M, and end up only eating $1.5M of the $4M.
If he gets cut by MIA, and only gets the $1M guaranteed money, the Jets only get a $1M offset against the original $4M they tossed in the crapper when they cut Milliner.
Since HYATT*™ doesn't know the details of Milliner's $4M, but the Jets do, they have a better ability to decide whether they will chance cutting him in hopes somebody else will pick him up and allow them to get an offset on the $4M.
Not many contracts contain a "no offsrt" provision, because most players aren't valuable enough to demand it.
Revis and Top-5 players at some skill positions are about the only ones who can get away with that kind of bargaining in their contract, because they know they can earn just as much somewhere else if they do NOT get it included.
Rookie contracts almost never have a "no offset" clause, and since Dee was a rookie when his guarantee money was first signed for, the odds are extremely high that the Jets can and will cut him eventually, in hopes some other GM falls for the hope & hype that WAS Dee Milliner 3 years ago.
GMs are always looking for 6 foot or better 200# CBs.
At $4M GUARANTEED, (meaning the Jets pay him and take the cap hit whether he is on the roster or cut), the ONLY viable reason to cut him is if the Jets somehow find BETTER replacements that they can afford under the cap and not have to worry about that $4M.
Roster slots are always at a premium but there usually aren't 54 blue-chip players to be filling them all.
Milliner was ONCE considered good enough to warrant a #9 pick.
HYATT™ never saw it but a lot of scouts and GMs claimed they did.
Perhaps there is still something in that brittle body to prove their assessments at least somewhat valid.
$4M is sorta that tipping point where you just don't throw it out the window for the 53rd roster spot change of face.
$2M, no question, Milliner would be history.
There MIGHT be one avenue of escape we are unaware of.
Milliner may not have that $4M guaranteed against "Offset" - meaning if he is cut and the Jets have to eat the whole $4M - if another team signs him, their contract amount in 2016 offsets what the Jets owe him, up to the full $4M.
Say the Jets cut Milliner - $4M in the terlit.
3 weeks later MIA signs him for $2.5M with $1M guaranteed.
The Jets would then receive an offset of $2.5M if Milliner collects the entire $2.5M, and end up only eating $1.5M of the $4M.
If he gets cut by MIA, and only gets the $1M guaranteed money, the Jets only get a $1M offset against the original $4M they tossed in the crapper when they cut Milliner.
Since HYATT*™ doesn't know the details of Milliner's $4M, but the Jets do, they have a better ability to decide whether they will chance cutting him in hopes somebody else will pick him up and allow them to get an offset on the $4M.
Not many contracts contain a "no offsrt" provision, because most players aren't valuable enough to demand it.
Revis and Top-5 players at some skill positions are about the only ones who can get away with that kind of bargaining in their contract, because they know they can earn just as much somewhere else if they do NOT get it included.
Rookie contracts almost never have a "no offset" clause, and since Dee was a rookie when his guarantee money was first signed for, the odds are extremely high that the Jets can and will cut him eventually, in hopes some other GM falls for the hope & hype that WAS Dee Milliner 3 years ago.
GMs are always looking for 6 foot or better 200# CBs.
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Why defense gets drafted higher than offense.
Partially because GMs simply do not value OL very highly.
It's not that there aren't Rd 1 worthy OL players, it's just that skill positions take precedence over line positions.
Even defensive linemen take precedence over offensive lineman prospects - partially because of the belief that defense wins championships.
(HYATT™ doesn't necessarily buy into that anymore, in this passing game era.)
Also defensive positions are easier to play than offensive ones, mostly.
OL need to learn a lot of intricate blocking.
DL players pretty much put 1 or 2 hands in the dirt and jump toward the QB on every snap and handle whatever comes between them and their goal during the action.
Not a lot of intellect involved in charging a red cape now, is there?
Ditto with skill players.
WRs have to maneuver to catch the ball, AND hang onto it after they get gobsmacked into next week and beyond.
Defenders simply have to hit the WR & hang on to tackle him, and maybe bat a hand at the ball on the way in or after it arrives - both of which take considerably less concentration and hand skill.
Ditto Rbs trying to get past LBs.
LBs can sit and wait for the RB to come to them, they have the advantage.
All in all, the talent in the draft tends to accumulate on the defensive side higher in the draft than it does for offensive players, except in rare years where you have an extraordinarily deep pool of prospects like the WR position in 2014 & 2015.
This translates into a few offensive skill players being taken too early and a lot of decent defensive talent still sitting on the board after 2 or 3 rounds.
Partially because GMs simply do not value OL very highly.
It's not that there aren't Rd 1 worthy OL players, it's just that skill positions take precedence over line positions.
Even defensive linemen take precedence over offensive lineman prospects - partially because of the belief that defense wins championships.
(HYATT™ doesn't necessarily buy into that anymore, in this passing game era.)
Also defensive positions are easier to play than offensive ones, mostly.
OL need to learn a lot of intricate blocking.
DL players pretty much put 1 or 2 hands in the dirt and jump toward the QB on every snap and handle whatever comes between them and their goal during the action.
Not a lot of intellect involved in charging a red cape now, is there?
Ditto with skill players.
WRs have to maneuver to catch the ball, AND hang onto it after they get gobsmacked into next week and beyond.
Defenders simply have to hit the WR & hang on to tackle him, and maybe bat a hand at the ball on the way in or after it arrives - both of which take considerably less concentration and hand skill.
Ditto Rbs trying to get past LBs.
LBs can sit and wait for the RB to come to them, they have the advantage.
All in all, the talent in the draft tends to accumulate on the defensive side higher in the draft than it does for offensive players, except in rare years where you have an extraordinarily deep pool of prospects like the WR position in 2014 & 2015.
This translates into a few offensive skill players being taken too early and a lot of decent defensive talent still sitting on the board after 2 or 3 rounds.
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