Brandon Spikes involved in hit and run?

[SackExchange]

Hobson, let me just say that they are better and worse in different places on the roster, like most teams. Also there's a great deal of variable factors that are unpredictable, such as some players being counted on for certain roles that wont produce and other players that much isn't expected that will produce. The one thing that is certain is the Pats coaching staff will have the best of that team on the field wining and as much as you hate it, you know it's true, it's what they do best, adapt to their strengths and weaknesses. The Patriots do this arguably better than any team in the league year in year out. How many Jets fans where jumping up and down writing the Pats off after last years slow start? SG3 had to change his shorts 6 times a day, I hear he almost changed his name to SG6 slippery. Now as to the question of if they are a better team than last year, that's very subjective concept, they could just as easily have a less talented roster and better team. I tend to think many football fans look at individual player talent in a vacuum and fool themselves into believing that this is a video game and the team with the higher player ratings always win, it isn't and it doesn't.

So they lose Revis. No loss there. Browner, either. Arrington. Wilfork. None of them are losses. Yet when they got those guys, they were big gains.

Pretty obvious how it is in Patsland. Every move they make is great, every move they don't make is great. No matter what, it's great for the Patriots.

It's the same kind of delusion that has an entire fan base whining about being the victims when they get caught for cheating over and over and over again.

 

[sg3]

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[sg3]

Hobson, let me just say that they are better and worse in different places on the roster, like most teams. Also there's a great deal of variable factors that are unpredictable, such as some players being counted on for certain roles that wont produce and other players that much isn't expected that will produce. The one thing that is certain is the Pats coaching staff will have the best of that team on the field wining and as much as you hate it, you know it's true, it's what they do best, adapt to their strengths and weaknesses. The Patriots do this arguably better than any team in the league year in year out. How many Jets fans where jumping up and down writing the Pats off after last years slow start? SG3 had to change his shorts 6 times a day, I hear he almost changed his name to SG6 slippery. Now as to the question of if they are a better team than last year, that's very subjective concept, they could just as easily have a less talented roster and better team. I tend to think many football fans look at individual player talent in a vacuum and fool themselves into believing that this is a video game and the team with the higher player ratings always win, it isn't and it doesn't.

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Unprovoked attack, trolling and namecalling


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[hobson54]

Hobson, let me just say that they are better and worse in different places on the roster, like most teams. Also there's a great deal of variable factors that are unpredictable, such as some players being counted on for certain roles that wont produce and other players that much isn't expected that will produce. The one thing that is certain is the Pats coaching staff will have the best of that team on the field wining and as much as you hate it, you know it's true, it's what they do best, adapt to their strengths and weaknesses. The Patriots do this arguably better than any team in the league year in year out. How many Jets fans where jumping up and down writing the Pats off after last years slow start? SG3 had to change his shorts 6 times a day, I hear he almost changed his name to SG6 slippery. Now as to the question of if they are a better team than last year, that's very subjective concept, they could just as easily have a less talented roster and better team. I tend to think many football fans look at individual player talent in a vacuum and fool themselves into believing that this is a video game and the team with the higher player ratings always win, it isn't and it doesn't.

with all due respect, looks like you're going through great lengths to avoid saying what should be obvious to most, in that on paper (and yes, i recognize that it's just on paper), that the pats suffered a lot of losses from last year's roster. now obviously players will need to step up and replace the players no longer there. and i can't deny belichick is a great coach who is tremendous in making changes and having his team ready. and as long as brady is the QB (well for most of the year), they will be in the mix for the playoffs and advancing far.

but i'm not sure how someone can look at a roster that lost revis, browner, arrington, wilfork, ridley, vereen, connolloy and others and say that aren't worse off on paper.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

So they lose Revis. No loss there. Browner, either. Arrington. Wilfork. None of them are losses. Yet when they got those guys, they were big gains.

Pretty obvious how it is in Patsland. Every move they make is great, every move they don't make is great. No matter what, it's great for the Patriots.

It's the same kind of delusion that has an entire fan base whining about being the victims when they get caught for cheating over and over and over again.

This post is dead on the money, thats why its impossible to engage a card carrying member of Patsie Homerville in a rational football conversation. Fans are all fanatics to some degree, after all fan is a derivative of fanatic, but these guys take it to the extreme, they are like a religious cult when it comes to the Patriots, complete with their own trinity (Kraft, Belichick and Brady), and they become extremely defensive if you even mildly criticize any of the three. I'm not just being cute either, "IN BELICHICK WE TRUST" is a common refrain in Patsie Homerville, derived from "IN GOD WE TRUST."

 

[grogan14]

The repeated suspensions seem to have done nothing to stop your constant trolling, have they?

Responding to a thread about the Patriots is Trolling now? Please I'm dying for any real insight you have on what a Troll is? I engage in football discussions and regardless if I happen to be pro Jets on two of three points in a given topic you attack me on the one point we disagree on. I don't attack people or call people names, or antagonize people for the sake of it? I only state my opinions on topics and defend them to guys like you that can only see green and white pom poms can't stand another point of view no matter how it's presented. Honestly Sack I don't think you have clue what real "troll" is.

 

[grogan14]

So they lose Revis. No loss there. Browner, either. Arrington. Wilfork. None of them are losses. Yet when they got those guys, they were big gains.

Pretty obvious how it is in Patsland. Every move they make is great, every move they don't make is great. No matter what, it's great for the Patriots.

It's the same kind of delusion that has an entire fan base whining about being the victims when they get caught for cheating over and over and over again.

Sure Sack because I actually said all that, you are funny. :you-rock-smiley-emo

 

[grogan14]

This post is dead on the money, thats why its impossible to engage a card carrying member of Patsie Homerville in a rational football conversation. Fans are all fanatics to some degree, after all fan is a derivative of fanatic, but these guys take it to the extreme, they are like a religious cult when it comes to the Patriots, complete with their own trinity (Kraft, Belichick and Brady), and they become extremely defensive if you even mildly criticize any of the three. I'm not just being cute either, "IN BELICHICK WE TRUST" is a common refrain in Patsie Homerville, derived from "IN GOD WE TRUST."

Why wouldn't Pats fans go by that? Honestly? Do you know how many teams have one more games than the Pats since 2000? None! Do you know how many teams more division titles in that time? None! Do you know how many teams won more playoff games in that time? None! How many teams won more AFC Championship games? None! Super Bowls? None! All while good and great players came and went, so again I'll ask you, why wouldn't Pats fans adhere to that Motto? It's been proven to be valid far more than your Jets new management.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I actually agree with grogan that he's not a troll. A troll is intentionally provocative to draw a response. He doesn't even mean half the things he says, or any of the things he says, whats important is that he gets under peoples skin. I've known enough Pats fan to know thats not the case here, they believe every word of the ridiculous things they say, RELIGIOUSLY, they religiously believe it, for example they religiously believe Tom Brady is innocent despite all evidence to the contrary.

I'm telling you, people, Patsie Homerville is the closest thing you will find in sports to a cult.

 

[grogan14]

with all due respect, looks like you're going through great lengths to avoid saying what should be obvious to most, in that on paper (and yes, i recognize that it's just on paper), that the pats suffered a lot of losses from last year's roster. now obviously players will need to step up and replace the players no longer there. and i can't deny belichick is a great coach who is tremendous in making changes and having his team ready. and as long as brady is the QB (well for most of the year), they will be in the mix for the playoffs and advancing far.

but i'm not sure how someone can look at a roster that lost revis, browner, arrington, wilfork, ridley, vereen, connolloy and others and say that aren't worse off on paper.

No offense taken, you're one of the few here that I find can actually disagree without getting personal or generalizing all pats fan hate into one Pats fan. I agree someone could look on paper and make the assumption that the Pats roster is weaker, my point is that people do that every year for every team and are wrong as often as they are correct, so what's the point? If the majority of Jets fans wish to believe the team Patriots field next season will be weaker, have at it, I could care less. The point I was making in answer to your question is that I have every reason to expect a strong team next year because that's what this organization does, and they proven it time and time again. It's also what drives guys like Sack nuts because he knows it's vastly more likely that I'm correct.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Why wouldn't Pats fans go by that? Honestly? Do you know how many teams have one more games than the Pats since 2000? None! Do you know how many teams more division titles in that time? None! Do you know how many teams won more playoff games in that time? None! How many teams won more AFC Championship games? None! Super Bowls? None! All while good and great players came and went, so again I'll ask you, why wouldn't Pats fans adhere to that Motto? It's been proven to be valid far more than your Jets new management.

Thats all well and good, no-one disputes his accomplishments as a coach, least of all me. I've consistently called him the best coach in football, in fact he's so good that he can overcome his own lousy draft picks, which suggests he's not infallible in ALL football matters, its just that his strengths overwhelm his weaknesses. If another coach and quasi GM drafted like Belichick, he would have gotten himself fired from both jobs a long time ago. Of course there's this little matter of CHEATING to overcome his deficiencies in personnel, but even with that I acknowledge he's the best coach in the game.

That said, don't you see where its a little weird to use a common refrain that invokes GOD to praise an extremely flawed human-being? Can you not see where that sounds a little, well, cult-like?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Why wouldn't Pats fans go by that? Honestly? Do you know how many teams have one more games than the Pats since 2000? None! Do you know how many teams more division titles in that time? None! Do you know how many teams won more playoff games in that time? None! How many teams won more AFC Championship games? None! Super Bowls? None! All while good and great players came and went, so again I'll ask you, why wouldn't Pats fans adhere to that Motto? It's been proven to be valid far more than your Jets new management.

BTW I'm also a Yankees fan, 27 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, 9 IN MY LIFETIME, and I have never in my life referred to any Yankee manager or player as a deity. I have never in my life invoked a phrase derived from the worship of GOD to heap praise on a Yankee. Not Ruth, not Gehrig, not DeMaggio, not Mantle, not Casey Stengel, not Miller Huggins, not Joe McCarthy, not Derek Jeter, NOT ANYBODY. I don't ever imply that flawed humans are GOD, thats weird, thats cult behavior.

And trust me, I am more steeped and educated in Yankees history than you can ever be in the Patriots. I am quite aware of the accomplishments of all of these men and more, which DWARFS the Patriots accomplishments, but I don't refer to them as GODS. Thats weird. That makes you sound like a cult.

 

[grogan14]

Thats all well and good, no-one disputes his accomplishments as a coach, least of all me. I've consistently called him the best coach in football, in fact he's so good that he can overcome his own lousy draft picks, which suggests he's not infallible in ALL football matters, its just that his strengths overwhelm his weaknesses. If another coach and quasi GM drafted like Belichick, he would have gotten himself fired from both jobs a long time ago. Of course there's this little matter of CHEATING to overcome his deficiencies in personnel, but even with that I acknowledge he's the best coach in the game.

That said, don't you see where its a little weird to use a common refrain that invokes GOD to praise an extremely flawed human-being? Can you not see where that sounds a little, well, cult-like?

Cult like? Have you been to Jets game? Have you seen the stuff guys like SG3 posts? "Fan", as I know you are aware, comes from "fanatic", its short skip and hop from there to Cult status for fans of all teams. So no and yes, it's Cult like, but are you honestly going to say that if Rex Ryan had brought a couple Super Bowls home for the Jets there wouldn't be a fanatical Cult like Following? Honestly he got you guys to back to back AFC Championship games and it was practically like that.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

but are you honestly going to say that if Rex Ryan had brought a couple Super Bowls home for the Jets there wouldn't be a fanatical Cult like Following?

I can say with absolute certainty that I wouldn't refer to Rex or any other coach as a deity, or invoke a phrase that is designed to praise GOD, to praise a man, ANY MAN, and not because I'm the most religious guy in the world, but because its weird, that kind of hero worship too me is weird. If I was Belichick, I would be afraid of people who refer to me as some kind of demigod. Now I know for sure that I would never do that because, well, read my prior post ... if I haven't done it for the Yankees, the most successful franchise in the history of the world, then I can safely say its not happening.

 

[Football51]

Cult like? Have you been to Jets game? Have you seen the stuff guys like SG3 posts? "Fan", as I know you are aware, comes from "fanatic", its short skip and hop from there to Cult status for fans of all teams. So no and yes, it's Cult like, but are you honestly going to say that if Rex Ryan had brought a couple Super Bowls home for the Jets there wouldn't be a fanatical Cult like Following? Honestly he got you guys to back to back AFC Championship games and it was practically like that.

no reason to mention SG3 unless you're trying to draw a response and derail a thread. This thread is about Brandon Spikes. Stick to it or find something else to do.

 

[Football51]

grogan, consider this your final warning with calling out posters. Next offense and you're gone.

 

[grogan14]

I can say with absolute certainty that I wouldn't refer to Rex or any other coach as a deity, or invoke a phrase that is designed to praise GOD, to praise a man, ANY MAN, and not because I'm the most religious guy in the world, but because its weird, that kind of hero worship too me is weird. If I was Belichick, I would be afraid of people who refer to me as some kind of demigod. Now I know for sure that I would never do that because, well, read my prior post ... if I haven't done it for the Yankees, the most successful franchise in the history of the world, then I can safely say its not happening.

Well I'm not sure anyone that goes to Sunday school or believes in that sort of thing is attributing God like reverence to a football coach because they adhere to the Quote "In Bill we Trust" nor do I think God has some kind of right to that phrase. I think you apply far too much meaning to a simple saying. In and of it's self "In Bill we trust" is said because the difficult team decisions he's made over time have worked out far more than they haven't. There are many times he's made decisions that we as pats fans haven't understood and questioned strongly, but the vast majority of them have worked out. It's no more complicated than that, how many times can you question his decisions only to come to find out he knows more than the fans or media? After awhile you would be stupid to think you know better?

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Well I'm not sure anyone that goes to Sunday school or believes in that sort of thing is attributing God like reverence to a football coach because they adhere to the Quote "In Bill we Trust" nor do I think God has some kind of right to that phrase. I think you apply far too much meaning to a simple saying. In and of it's self "In Bill we trust" is said because the difficult team decisions he's made over time have worked out far more than they haven't. There are many times he's made decisions that we as pats fans haven't understood and questioned strongly, but the vast majority of them have worked out. It's no more complicated than that, how many times can you question his decisions only to come to find out he knows more than the fans or media? After awhile you would be stupid to think you know better?

I understand the reason, and while I would argue Belichick doesn't bat a thousand, nobody does, so I don't believe his decisions should automatically be assumed right, but I agree that you can't argue with the results, not the results of each particular decision in a vacuum, but the overall results (i.e. championships).

That said, the Yankees have won nine championships in my lifetime, NINE, in my lifetime, and there's still plenty of decisions they make that I won't even hesitate to criticize or call stupid. The fact that Patriots fans believe the overall success makes Belichick impervious to criticism on his day to day decision, again speaks to the almost cult-like atmosphere that surrounds this team and their fanbase, especially the fanbase (Patsie Homerville). And I still say invoking "IN GOD WE TRUST" to praise a football coach, and an obviously flawed man, is weird. And no matter how you spin it, we all know "IN BILL WE TRUST" is derived from "IN GOD WE TRUST", its clearly a wordplay on the phrase we all see on U.S. Currency.

 

[SackExchange]

Sure Sack because I actually said all that, you are funny. :you-rock-smiley-emo

You chime in on threads without anyone mentioning you, and go after other posters. You've attacked me in threads where I haven't even mentioned you. Same thing with several other posters. You've even done it here in this thread.

Sorry, but you know exactly what you are doing, and have turned this into a game, seeing how much you can get away with because we have been far too tolerant with you.

 

[Mugatu]

I think that the reason so many Pats fans are cult like about BB is because they have known nothing but success. I would estimate at least 80% of the current fanbase appeared on the scene at the start of the Brady and BB era....the lean times in the 70's, 80's and 90's never existed in their minds.

My Grandfather used to take us up to NE in the 80's and 90's to see the games because we couldn't get seats at Giants Stadium, in NE, they were giving away the tickets at grocery stores some games.

Their fanbase is filled with low knowledge fans, who like the team because they win, or Tom Brady is cute along paired along with a bunch of faux Irishmen who pretend they're friends with someone in the IRA and cheer anything from Boston. They cheer the hardest for whatever team is winning at that moment. Right now the Bosox suck, so they'll jump on The Patsie wagon until that goes sour.

I have never seen a team with so many front runner fans since the 49ers of the 80's or the Cowboys of the early 90s.

Half the Pats fans out there likely couldn't name more than 5 members of the current team.