I was against trading all the way down to 20 for Foles, but if the Rams want Mariota and he's on the board at 6, I'm all in on swapping down to 10 for Foles and the Rams can draft Mariota. 10 keeps us in range for one of the elite edge rushers.
BREAKING: Eagles trade Foles to Rams for Bradford
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Nick, I was disappointed when I read about that trade. I was hoping Foles would land with us in New York, and now that it's not happening, I am again unsure of how we get a good shot at a QB.
I just don't believe Mariotta will be there at #6 , and I am getting tired of stop-gap fixes, but we might somehow get surprised...
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 57s57 seconds agoI wouldn’t. RT @CowboysNation: I think we can end the Mariota to Philly talk.
he also has torn 2 ACLs, makes something like $13 million this year and is a free agent after this season
I don't get this move. Either the Eagles really soured on Foles, or they really think they can keep Bradford healthy and resign him. They also must love Bradford to give up a 2nd rounder next year. Weird. It definitely takes Mariotta off the table for Philly. Maybe the scuttlebutt in league circles is that Tenn is going to take Mariotta at 2?
Philly I think uses some analytics to keep their players fresh so I do think they think they can keep him healthy. I think Philly has had one of the healthiest teams since Chip took over. I'll look it up.
Bradford's elite but with Shady, DJax, and Maclin gone...it's like he's back on the Rams...
Please, just stop it with the Jets-centric universe stuff.
PHI has no interest in selling out their future just to acquire the Jets #6 pick.
This Bradford deal has nothing to do with the Jets and everything to do with the fact that Bradford was a highly successful Spread Offense QB at Oklahoma.
That is the foremost reason HYATT™ X-ed Bradford off his draft list completely, in 2010 - way back in 2009.
Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, seriously, they are one and the same and so is just about every other Spread Offense college QB, to HYATT™.
They are not NFL-ready, and most are unlikely to ever translate to an NFL style Pro offense successfully.
Look no further than GeNOT Smith for a prime example.
The Oregon Ducks use a Spread Offense.
Mariota is a Spread Offense QB.
Bradford fits Chip Kelly's offense every bit as much as Mariota does, aside from the fact he isn't a Duck alumnus.
Foles, on the other hand, was a Wildcat.
Until Spread Offense guru Rodriguez arrived in 2012 - the year Foles entered the NFL and so never played for Rodriguez - Arizona's Wildcats ran a version of the Run & Shoot known as the Air Raid Offense.
While superficially similar to the Spread Offense, it's premise is different - tire the defense out and don't allow them to substitute players using a hurry up PASSING offense.
Think June Jones in Atlanta and as Hawai'i's HC or Jim Kelly's "K-Gun" in BUF's halcyon days of 4 consecutive Super Bowls.
I know, I know, it sure walks like a Duck and looks like a Duck, but it doesn't run like a Duck.
The Spread Offense uses a lot of Read Option, whereas the Air Raid Offense is all about the QB passing.
Yes, the "spread" of the OL, the hurry-up no huddle, the multiple WR sets, and shotgun snaps, all sure as hell make it hard to distinguish one from the other but in the Air Raid you need a great passing QB who may or may not be able to scramble.
You can't run the Spread without one.
Bradford can't scramble worth a damn anymore, if I had to guess, but Kelly is hoping against hope that he still can - or at least fake it well enough that a decent running game can make up for whatever mobility Bradford lacks.
He is still a better runner on no knees than Foles ever was.
Over his 3 year college career as a starter in AZ, Foles managed to LOSE -73, -113, & -103 yards rushing.
That's not a Read Option QB, that's an extra run defender for the other side. LMFAO. :roflmao:
Point being, Kelly would rather take his chances on a Spread Offense QB than on a Run & Shoot one like Foles - because he's known all along what Jets fans can't seem to get through their delusional brains.
Pick #20 in the NFL draft doesn't have a beaver's chance in a steel jawed trap of ever landing the only other franchise QB in this draft.
And if I am a betting man, pick #6's chances aren't a whole lot better, since TEN doesn't really have a viable franchise QB either.
(Although Metzenwhateverhisnameis does manage to slow down pass rushers who can read, because it takes 3.5 seconds to read the longest name on an NFL jersey.)
PHI has no interest in selling out their future just to acquire the Jets #6 pick.
This Bradford deal has nothing to do with the Jets and everything to do with the fact that Bradford was a highly successful Spread Offense QB at Oklahoma.
That is the foremost reason HYATT™ X-ed Bradford off his draft list completely, in 2010 - way back in 2009.
Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, seriously, they are one and the same and so is just about every other Spread Offense college QB, to HYATT™.
They are not NFL-ready, and most are unlikely to ever translate to an NFL style Pro offense successfully.
Look no further than GeNOT Smith for a prime example.
The Oregon Ducks use a Spread Offense.
Mariota is a Spread Offense QB.
Bradford fits Chip Kelly's offense every bit as much as Mariota does, aside from the fact he isn't a Duck alumnus.
Foles, on the other hand, was a Wildcat.
Until Spread Offense guru Rodriguez arrived in 2012 - the year Foles entered the NFL and so never played for Rodriguez - Arizona's Wildcats ran a version of the Run & Shoot known as the Air Raid Offense.
While superficially similar to the Spread Offense, it's premise is different - tire the defense out and don't allow them to substitute players using a hurry up PASSING offense.
Think June Jones in Atlanta and as Hawai'i's HC or Jim Kelly's "K-Gun" in BUF's halcyon days of 4 consecutive Super Bowls.
I know, I know, it sure walks like a Duck and looks like a Duck, but it doesn't run like a Duck.
The Spread Offense uses a lot of Read Option, whereas the Air Raid Offense is all about the QB passing.
Yes, the "spread" of the OL, the hurry-up no huddle, the multiple WR sets, and shotgun snaps, all sure as hell make it hard to distinguish one from the other but in the Air Raid you need a great passing QB who may or may not be able to scramble.
You can't run the Spread without one.
Bradford can't scramble worth a damn anymore, if I had to guess, but Kelly is hoping against hope that he still can - or at least fake it well enough that a decent running game can make up for whatever mobility Bradford lacks.
He is still a better runner on no knees than Foles ever was.
Over his 3 year college career as a starter in AZ, Foles managed to LOSE -73, -113, & -103 yards rushing.
That's not a Read Option QB, that's an extra run defender for the other side. LMFAO. :roflmao:
Point being, Kelly would rather take his chances on a Spread Offense QB than on a Run & Shoot one like Foles - because he's known all along what Jets fans can't seem to get through their delusional brains.
Pick #20 in the NFL draft doesn't have a beaver's chance in a steel jawed trap of ever landing the only other franchise QB in this draft.
And if I am a betting man, pick #6's chances aren't a whole lot better, since TEN doesn't really have a viable franchise QB either.
(Although Metzenwhateverhisnameis does manage to slow down pass rushers who can read, because it takes 3.5 seconds to read the longest name on an NFL jersey.)
12, and I'll take the over.
HYATT - i'm not positive, but i believe in college, sacks taken by the QB are considered negative running plays.
They are, & combined with positive rushing yards for a season rushing total.
NFL does the same thing for QBs and RBs both.
What does that tell you about Foles and his ability to run?
Nada, Zilch, definitely NOT a Read-Option QB - which Kelly runs & Bradford is, (& Mariota).