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Not possible. The officials put an ID mark on each ball after they inspect them.

It is amazing how fast that balls can be deflated. I saw a video where a digital deflator is demonstrated. In just a few quick button pushes the 11 balls can be deflated by the needed amount, which is really only 1 psi. The temperature difference between inside and outside can drop the pressure the other needed 1 psi. If this guy has been doing this since 2007, he could probably deflate each ball by 1 psi in under 5 seconds per ball. That might even give him a chance to take a piss, if that's even possible in a single-seater restroom that also has 2 bags with 12 balls in each.


still think it would take some time to take the balls out and put them back in unless he huge hands
 

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still think it would take some time to take the balls out and put them back in unless he huge hands

I was including the in-and-out time in the 5 sec per ball estimate. Really, the deflation takes incredibly little time. And I would venture a guess the technique used does not even rely on the gauge to get the right deflation. Perhaps 3 quick pushes on the deflator button does the job. So, grab a ball, push push push, put the ball down, or even right back into the bag. If he was putting the balls back in, that might explain why he may have gotten mixed up and missed one of the balls. In that case, the 1 ball that was not intentionally deflated would only have suffered the natural deflation. Still illegal at 11.5 psi, but not at the 10.5 psi like all the other balls.
 

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Not possible. The officials put an ID mark on each ball after they inspect them.

It is amazing how fast that balls can be deflated. I saw a video where a digital deflator is demonstrated. In just a few quick button pushes the 11 balls can be deflated by the needed amount, which is really only 1 psi. The temperature difference between inside and outside can drop the pressure the other needed 1 psi. If this guy has been doing this since 2007, he could probably deflate each ball by 1 psi in under 5 seconds per ball. That might even give him a chance to take a piss, if that's even possible in a single-seater restroom that also has 2 bags with 12 balls in each.

At this point I don't trust the league at all so they could be involved for all we know.
 
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yeah in the end it will come down to not the science or anything but the fact they say a attendant took the balls of his own free will.
 

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yeah in the end it will come down to not the science or anything but the fact they say a attendant took the balls of his own free will.

Certainly possible. But I want to see what's actually in the report. I hope it is publicly released or, if not, there is enough of a clamor demanding its release.

EDIT: And even if the only role of science is to show what Belichik's investigation found to be impossible, that would be a major contribution,
 
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Certainly possible. But I want to see what's actually in the report. I hope it is publicly released or, if not, there is enough of a clamor demanding its release.

EDIT: And even if the only role of science is to show what Belichik's investigation found to be impossible, that would be a major contribution,

One thing I don't understand is if they had videotape of this attendant why give a press conference in the first place and try to explain whayt happened?

even if they found the tape after the PC if you knew 100 percent you didn't do it wouldn't it be best to not give the PC?

Maybe they could have said they were doing a internal investigation at the moment or said we will let the NFL handle it.
 

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One thing I don't understand is if they had videotape of this attendant why give a press conference in the first place and try to explain whayt happened?

The Pats may have hoped the press conference would deflect investigators, hoping they would not even look at tapes from inside the facility, but only from the field where the bags sit for more than 2 hours before gametime. Right now it's looking like the conference has sparked a scientific investigation that very well could blow up everything Belichick said at the conference, further demonstrating that he lies. If the scientist does a good job he'll find out the thermostat settings in all areas where the balls were while inside, not just the officials' locker room, then will check the accuracy of the thermostat settings with an independent measurement. Of course, asking the officials what pressures they set for both sets of balls would be needed, as well as checking the calibration of all pressure testing devices the officials may have used. - Got to leave no stone unturned.
 

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One thing I don't understand is if they had videotape of this attendant why give a press conference in the first place and try to explain whayt happened?

even if they found the tape after the PC if you knew 100 percent you didn't do it wouldn't it be best to not give the PC?

Maybe they could have said they were doing a internal investigation at the moment or said we will let the NFL handle it.

Have you ever watched a Columbo? If not, let me say that the viewer always sees who does the crime right at the beginning of the show. Then when Columbo starts investigating, there's always a few scenes where Columbo says to the guilty person how he just can't figure out how this or that or the other fact can possibly have happened. And then the crook offers an explanation. That explanation usually becomes a big part of proving that the crook did it. Here, all we have so far is the crook offering explanations, trying to get himself off the hook. Now we just wait for the investigators to use those explanations to hang him.
 

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Have you ever watched a Columbo? If not, let me say that the viewer always sees who does the crime right at the beginning of the show. Then when Columbo starts investigating, there's always a few scenes where Columbo says to the guilty person how he just can't figure out how this or that or the other fact can possibly have happened. And then the crook offers an explanation. That explanation usually becomes a big part of proving that the crook did it. Here, all we have so far is the crook offering explanations, trying to get himself off the hook. Now we just wait for the investigators to use those explanations to hang him.
My all-time favorite police drama. That show was so unconventional, the anti whodunit, but Columbo made it riveting to watch how he slowly and methodically established guilt. I don't usually like police dramas, but I loved that one, and Peter Falk was hilarious. In fact my favorite comedy movie of all-time is The In-Laws with Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. If you've never seen it, SEE IT, you'll be dying laughing.
 
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Have you ever watched a Columbo? If not, let me say that the viewer always sees who does the crime right at the beginning of the show. Then when Columbo starts investigating, there's always a few scenes where Columbo says to the guilty person how he just can't figure out how this or that or the other fact can possibly have happened. And then the crook offers an explanation. That explanation usually becomes a big part of proving that the crook did it. Here, all we have so far is the crook offering explanations, trying to get himself off the hook. Now we just wait for the investigators to use those explanations to hang him.


was actually before my time but I do have it on netflix. I have seen a few episodes maybe 5 or 6 I love it.
 

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was actually before my time but I do have it on netflix. I have seen a few episodes maybe 5 or 6 I love it.

I was counting on the fact that even if you were too young to have seen the original airings that you would have come across the show somewhere. Now let's just hope there's a Columbo-type guy on this case.
 

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1. GO SEAHAWKS!!!! Beat the tar out of that rotten cheating Ebola cell in the NFL...72 -13 would be nice.. and crash into Brady and end his career too, if possible....LORD HEAR OUR PRAYER

2. THEN all NFL fans who want an honest game can sit back and enjoy the 500.million fine for Krafty, the forfeit of draft picks and the bans of Belichick and Brady for at least the next season
 

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I have the Seahawks -3. It makes my potential winning 160., for every 100. I bet
 

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For those questioning that it's impossible for the equipment manager to deflate balls in 90 seconds in the bathroom, daily news own myth busters did it in forty.

 
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Of course they cheated

Everybody with half a brain** knows they cheated

Probably been doing it at every home game, at least for a dozen years or more

**this of course excludes 100 percent of their arrogant chowderhead fans
 
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A locker room attendant for the New England Patriots tried to introduce an unapproved special teams football into last month's AFC Championship Game, the same game at the center of the "Deflategate" allegations, four sources familiar with the investigation told "Outside the Lines."



One source said that the attendant assigned to the officials' locker room, identified as 48-year-old Jim McNally, has been interviewed by investigators for Ted Wells, the attorney the NFL hired last month to lead an investigation into allegations the Patriots intentionally used underinflated footballs on offensive plays in the first half of that game against the Indianapolis Colts, which New England won 45-7.



Three sources said that McNally has worked Patriots games for a decade, and has been in charge of the officials' locker room at Gillette Stadium since at least 2008. In the first half of the AFC Championship Game, the sources said, McNally tried to give the unapproved football to an alternate official who was in charge of the special-teams footballs. Those footballs are known as "kicking balls" or "K balls."



Before every NFL game, footballs are inspected and measured by NFL officials in their locker room before they can be approved for in-game use. The "K balls" are used for special teams, and not by the offenses of either team.




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NFL officials put a special mark or stamp on each ball approved for use on offensive possessions, as well as the "K balls" used on special teams, to ensure only properly inspected and approved footballs are used in that game. Walt Anderson, the referee for the AFC title game, had personally inspected and marked each of the footballs that were approved for use in that game.



The alternate official, Greg Yette, became suspicious when he noticed that the football McNally handed him did not have the proper markings on it, three sources said. One of those sources added that Yette found it surprising that the officials' locker room attendant was on the field, trying to hand him a ball, because officials' locker room attendants don't typically have ball-handling responsibilities during NFL games. Once McNally tried to introduce the unapproved football into the game, the source said, Yette notified the NFL's vice president of game operations, Mike Kensil, who was at the game in the press box.



Sources said they are not sure at what point during the first half McNally tried to introduce the impermissible football to Yette. They didn't know his motivation for doing so, either. Yette, when reached by Outside the Lines, declined to comment.



An Outside the Lines reporter approached McNally at his home in Amherst, New Hampshire, earlier this month, but he said, "I can't talk to you," waving the reporter away as he walked up his driveway.



McNally is a part-time employee who was hired by The Kraft Group, a company owned by Patriots owners Robert Kraft. Kelly Way, the director of operations for TeamOps at Gillette Stadium, said NFL game-day employees are paid by The Kraft Group. McNally is not listed in the Patriots' main switchboard directory.



It is not known if McNally is the same locker room attendant who reportedly ducked into a bathroom with a bag of footballs for 90 seconds before taking them out to the field before the start of the AFC Championship Game. On Jan. 26, FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer reported that a locker-room attendant from the Patriots allegedly took footballs "from the officials locker room to another area" on the way to the field, and that Wells' investigators have video of that. Pro Football Talk later reported that the attendant stopped in a restroom with the game balls for 90 seconds. That locker room attendant, according to Foxsports.com, is a "strong person of interest."



The Patriots, who won the Super Bowl over the Seattle Seahawks on Feb. 1, came under scrutiny prior to the AFC Championship Game, when the Colts reportedly alerted the NFL during the regular season that the Patriots may be using underinflated footballs after the teams met Nov. 16.



A source told Outside the Lines that Kensil decided to personally go down to the officials' locker room at halftime of the Patriots-Colts game to check the game balls, in part, because of the suspicions McNally's actions raised.



Kensil did not respond to requests for comment but it has also been reported that the Colts noticed an underinflated football after an interception by linebacker D'Qwell Jackson. Jackson said at the Pro Bowl that he didn't notice that the football was underinflated. Also, Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, told "60 Minutes Sports" that Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson told league officials in the second quarter of the AFC Championship Game that the Patriots might be tampering with footballs.



One source said Kensil personally checked the PSI (pounds per square inch) levels of all 12 footballs the Patriots had for use on offense and found that 11 of those 12 were underinflated by "one to two pounds." They were reinflated to the league-required level and were returned for use in the second half.



Patriots coach Bill Belichick has attributed the 11 underinflated game balls to atmospheric conditions and has said the Patriots "try to do everything right; we err on the side of caution." Team owner Robert Kraft, in a strong defense of his head coach and quarterback Tom Brady, said: "I want to make it clear that I believe unconditionally that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or are in violation of NFL rules."



He added "I would expect and hope that the league would apologize to our entire team" if the Wells investigation "is unable to definitively determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs."



The NFL hired Wells on Jan. 23 to lead an investigation into Deflategate. In a statement released late last month, Wells said he expected his investigation to go on for "at least several more weeks" and asked that "everyone involved or potentially involved in this matter avoids public comment concerning the matter until the investigation is concluded. The results will be shared publicly."



Dean Blandino, the NFL's head of officiating, said at a Super Bowl news conference: "There was an issue that was brought up during the first half, a football came into question, and then the decision was made to test them at halftime. There's an investigation going on, I can't really get into specifics."



When asked for comment by OTL, Blandino texted, "I can't elaborate with the investigation still ongoing."



The NFL, though a spokesman, told OTL: "We're not commenting on the details of the ongoing investigation."



http://espn.go.com/e...l-lines-reports
 
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Sadly, nothing will come of this and Goodell will continue to allow Kraft, Belichick and Brady to brazenly cheat until all four of those Douchebags are no longer part of the NFL

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