no one is a total loss...……….well except for Tebow
BREAKING NEWS: The New York Jets fire GM Mike Maccagnan
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The past few years ??????
Macc was trying to trade up for OT Laremy Tunsill in the year we drafted LBer Darron Lee. My understanding is Macc offered a #1 and a #4 but Miami wanted our 2nd instead of our #4. Thank God Macc didn't make that trade. If he did we would have lost out on the Hackenberg sweep stakes.
All the noise aside regarding what a “dumpster fire” we supposedly are (Mike Golic, ESPN), here’s the big question:
Would you rather see the Jets have problems between Gase and Maccagnan all season long before an eventual firing, or just do it now and get Gase’s guy in there now? It’s clear Gase is only going to thrive with his type of GM.
Would you rather see the Jets have problems between Gase and Maccagnan all season long before an eventual firing, or just do it now and get Gase’s guy in there now? It’s clear Gase is only going to thrive with his type of GM.
Well you made a good case for Gase because we all know that big mac lost face in the Jets place. & even with that we may end up in last place......OHHHH what a disgrace.
Being a bad team that consistently gets 6 wins or less, and getting a high 1st round pick as a result, makes it easier for someone to look like a draft genius. There may be up to 10 superior players In the first round, taking any of them when they fall into your lap makes you look really smart. And Mac has the BPA picks to prove it, which don't necessarily fill a need.
In the later rounds where you really need to know something and have great instincts, that's where the smart and not so smart are separated.
I think Mac might have gone into Johnson's office a few times to criticize Gase, and Johnson realized that it wasn't going to work and that Mac was making himself the issue.
And apparently Gase has more credibilty with Johnson already, rightly or wrongly, and Mac was on the wrong side of that equation.
I don't think this is that big a deal, and the replacement will hit the ground running.
In the later rounds where you really need to know something and have great instincts, that's where the smart and not so smart are separated.
I think Mac might have gone into Johnson's office a few times to criticize Gase, and Johnson realized that it wasn't going to work and that Mac was making himself the issue.
And apparently Gase has more credibilty with Johnson already, rightly or wrongly, and Mac was on the wrong side of that equation.
I don't think this is that big a deal, and the replacement will hit the ground running.
No matter what the fans or media say this doesn’t affect the season one bit. The roster is mostly in place and now maybe Gase will get his guys with Mac out of the way. I’m positive players don’t care that Mac was fired.
The media is doing its best to create more controversy by throwing shit against the wall and seeing if it sticks. As each day passes another “revelation” is revealed about someone hating this player, or someone not wanting that guy. Gase is going to have to patch up a lot of rumors flying around because the media resents him for calling them out a few weeks ago.
The media dont like being criticized. And many resort to dirty tactics when you do call them out.
The media dont like being criticized. And many resort to dirty tactics when you do call them out.
You are absolutely correct. Football arguments aside, this is also the logical situation that will happen in any corporation where the top two people don't get along, and where you absolutely can't fire the one you've literally just hired.
Watching Osemele on NFLN and he said the players just go on business as usual. This guy is going to be such a great leader on this OL. I love that he told Darnold he was his new bodyguard.
Macc had not done anything wrong, he wouldn't have been fired. But the fact is that Chris finally saw the mess that Macc had made, between his mediocre drafting, several MAJOR draft mistakes (Hack, Devon Smith, Darron Lee), his lack of listening to the HC for player acquisitions, and his in-fighting with Heimerdinger, as well as his habit of sequestering himself in his office and not communicating/interacting with other staff. These are all excellent reasons for firing him... If Gase DID complain to Chris , that is a good thing, as it finally opened Chris's eyes, something that Bowles should've done long ago.
This happened a few days ago and I'm even happier now than I was then. I have no idea if Gase is the answer, but Mac needed to be fired. Grateful for Darnold and it worked out well for Mac because the Giants passed on him. Outside of that he was an abysmal GM and the Jets are better today than they were 4 days ago. I don't worry about all the other rumors being thrown out there. Being 5-11, 5-11 and 4-12 is unacceptable under every circumstance.
I wouldn't mind that at all if his track-record in the draft suggested it was paying dividends on the field.
But if you're gonna watch film all day then have one of the worst draft track-records in the league (link below) ... adios amigo.
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2019...afts-2015-2018
When you actually look at his track record it is beyond me that people defended this idiot for years.
it was the same story with coach bowles & not just here, BTW..
i have no doubt some (for whatever reasson) thought maccagnan did a good job..
i also have no doubt some are being contrarian/trolling..
& of course some people refuse to admit they got it wrong.. horribly wrong..
Contrarian trolling?
This place really does get stupid sometimes.
This place really does get stupid sometimes.
I'll answer my own question regarding some of the specific issues that both Bowles and now Gase had with MMacc. Apparently he solicited very little meaningful input from both coaches regarding potential draftees and how they fit with each coach's scheme and personality type. It was like he was working in a vacuum and it mattered little what the coaches wanted, only what he and his scouts viewed as a fit. I read in NY Daily news column that MMacc did not allow Gase to engage in critical discussions with the scouting staff for fear that it would change their thinking about player strengths and weaknesses. That is really messed up and would explain to a large degree why MMacc was only successful (for the most part) with the can't miss prospects at the top of the first round. It would seem to me that the mid round picks are the ones who you need to have full buy-in from the coaching staff and if you don't most times these players wash out. I always thought that Bowles was the problem because he wasn't developing the players that MMacc drafted, now I know differently assuming what I'm reading is correct. The question is whether Bowles confronted ownership with this massive problem or sat back quietly and took what was given him. Bottom line is that ownership does have a responsibility to understand fully the process and identify where there are gaps. Evidently, the Johnsons either didn't see it or saw it and didn't understand why the entire process was dysfunctional. They probably saw MMacc and his scouting staff working very hard with scouting trips, film study and preparing detailed player evaluations and thought this guy and his team are doing a 'splendid' job. The management set-up of evaluators evaluating and coaches coaching, may work but there has to be agreement and honest input from both sides. Football organizations don't work well in silos, there has to be synergies and agreement across organizational groups for it to work. I hope the Johnsons learned something from this.