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After this season if the Jets choose to move on from Breno there will only be a dead loss of $1.25 M that can be split between two years... Breno has been less than an average right tackle who has hurt the team on many of occasions with his penalties... Especially with those personal foul calls, drive killers...

If anyone I would like to see get his shot is our backup left tackle Ben Ijalana... If he is good enough to be a role player for the LT position then he should be good enough to start at right tackle...

Entering draft day Ijalana was listed as a second round prospect with the possibility of jumping into the first round. He was projected as a right tackle, following his strong showing as a left tackle in college and his good arm length and hand size. Additionally he had the ability to fall back as a guard. On day two of the draft, the Indianapolis Colts traded their 53rd and 152nd pick to the Redskins for the 49th pick that Ijalana was selected at.

Ijalana played four games in his rookie season before tearing his ACL and landing on injured reserve.

A few weeks after being cleared to play, Ijalana tore his ACL again during training camp in 2012. Ijalana was eventually declared out for the 2012 season. He was waived/injured on August 1, 2012, and he was subsequently placed on injured reserve on August 5.

Since we claimed him in 2013 he has been fairly durable and has played consistently well for us in a role spot... Think it is about time we see what this young man has to offer... So a reasonable contract re-signing is a must with incentives if he holds down the job, but Breno has to go... And below is Giacomini's contract layout via OTC

 

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I personally think the rt to replace Breno is not on the roster. We'll need to draft Brick's replacement and have him play RT until he's able to take over for Brick.

Oline is the biggest problem going forward.
 

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I personally think the rt to replace Breno is not on the roster. We'll need to draft Brick's replacement and have him play RT until he's able to take over for Brick.

Oline is the biggest problem going forward.

after Brick's latest rant really think he will be considering walking away this off season... especially where there will be a real possibility the team will ask him to restructure his deal...

this is the Brick article after he saw the movie: Concussion


NJDOTCOM -- D'Brickashaw Ferguson, the Jets' stalwart left tackle and a budding writer, went to see the film "Concussion" recently. He came away feeling "betrayed" by the NFL and said it was "disheartening" to learn that the league's efforts to deny concussion science was spearheaded by a former Jets team doctor.

"Concussion" stars Will Smith as Dr. Bennet Omalu, who discovered a connection between brain injuries and chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) in football players. It covers a lot of ground that's been documented in the media in recent years.
But in a piece he wrote this week for Sports Illustrated's website, Ferguson admitted he was "astounded" to learn a lot of this information for the first time, not the least being that it's not always big hits that can cause concussions, but also the repeated sub-concussive blows endured by offensive linemen such as Ferguson.

But Ferguson was especially blown away to discover that the NFL had made repeated attempts to deny the growing body of science surrounding head trauma and its impact on football players through its erstwhile Mild Traumatic Brain Injury Committee, which was chaired by Dr. Elliot Pellman, a former Jets team doctor.

Wrote Ferguson:
After learning all of this, I feel a bit betrayed by the people or committees put in place by the league who did not have my best interests at heart.

Dr. Elliot Pellman was one of the Jets' team doctors when I was a rookie in 2006, and to learn that he was a part of the group that tried to discredit the scope and impact of brain injuries among players within the league is disheartening.

Ferguson is the Jets' player rep to the NFL Players Association, but he said in an interview at his locker on Wednesday that his view on "Concussion" reflected his personal reaction. He felt told a story he wasn't sure a lot of people were aware of. When he speaks publicly, Ferguson typically steers clear of being provocative or controversial. That he would address "Concussion" so forcefully is a clear sign he was profoundly affected by what he learned.

"It's a different issue when you hear about it and somebody else is going through it," Ferguson said in the interview. "But it's another thing when you're part of the game, and people that you played with—for example, Junior Seau—have succumbed to some of these brain injuries that they talk about."

Ferguson hasn't missed a game in 10 NFL seasons. He admitted he would "struggle to answer" the question of whether he would allow his son to play football.

An explanation of what can happen to the Jets based on what they and other teams do.

"I sincerely believe that the game has and will continue to improve on all levels and put its players in the best possible position, but I do have doubts in whether that is something that I would want to let my child pursue," Ferguson wrote.

Worth noting: Elliot Pellman is still employed by the NFL as a medical advisor.
 

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I personally think the rt to replace Breno is not on the roster. We'll need to draft Brick's replacement and have him play RT until he's able to take over for Brick.

Oline is the biggest problem going forward.

Our 2016 first round draft pick will be used for an OT.
 

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as for a retaining the likes of Ben Ijalana for 2 seasons with a contract based on incentives of playing time is the best we could hope for... expect Mike Maccagnan to bring in Chris Clark from Houston a 30 year old tackle to compete... but think in the end if given the chance Ijalana will surprise most with his balanced ability to run block or pass block which he is known best for...
 

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Our 2016 first round draft pick will be used for an OT.

Unless one of the top guys fall to the 2nd half of the first round then yes...

But what I heard the scouts have been drooling over 2 prospects that are late 2nd round/early 3rd round prospects:

1) Kyle Murphy, Stanford

believe the 2nd one is:

2) Joe Haeg, N Dakota St.

both will need a year to really acclimate to this level but the potential is there...
 

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After last season, if Breno could have been released with minimum dead cap space, I would have done it. But I really think he has been at worst a solid RT this season.
 

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After last season, if Breno could have been released with minimum dead cap space, I would have done it. But I really think he has been at worst a solid RT this season.

funny thing he could of been... his dead loss is $625K per season, prorated bonus...

this new regime really didn't see any upgrades over him, but have to be thinking that his shelf is too low to continue with our team even tho we are having success...

we are going to be shredding cap to open up cap space and to save, $3,875,000 - $4,500,000 depending on how they want to pay him either in lump sum or over two years has to be an option...


the only reason I say Ben IJalana is I believe he is a capable affordable option... Only going to be 27 and hasn't really played enough to be worn down... the Jets could probably re-sign him to a 2 year deal worth around $2.4 M in total with incentives... that is a huge difference and allows us to save up to $2,875,000 by releasing Breno... which is much needed...
 
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Ijalana has been a LT, and Brick's back up. Breno's back up has been Qvale, who the Jets seemed very high on in camp. He was getting many 1st team reps. I honestly thought in camp that he might beat Breno out.

I suspect if Breno can't go Sunday, or if they replace him in the off-season the next man up will be Qvale
 
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I think we either draft the replacement or big mac taps into his texans former players....it is well known that big mac scouted alot of lineman that play good and the texans have depth their.
 

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I think we either draft the replacement or big mac taps into his texans former players....it is well known that big mac scouted alot of lineman that play good and the texans have depth their.

Four ex-Texans that could be Jets next season:

LT Jeff Adams is a RFA but have a feeling Maccagnan is figuring out a way to acquire him this off season
OT Chris Clark is UFA, 30 years of age but has starting ability on both sides
RG Brandon Brooks is UFA, will be 27 and is an upgrade over Colon & Winters
OC Ben Jones is UFA, also will be 27 and could be Mangold's heir apparent or replacement
 
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Four ex-Texans that could be Jets next season:

LT Jeff Adams is a RFA but have a feeling Maccagnan is figuring out a way to acquire him this off season
OT Chris Clark is UFA, 30 years of age but has starting ability on both sides
RG Brandon Brooks is UFA, will be 27 and is an upgrade over Colon & Winters
OC Ben Jones is UFA, also will be 27 and could be Mangold's heir apparent or replacement

Winters has played very well since the first Fins game. Was a liability last season as LG, but has actually been an up grade over Colon RG. Have been very surprised by his mobility.

Jets also have Jarvis Harrison who they drafted last year. Guy is a monster. Could have carried a 2nd or 3rd round grade. The rap on him was his motivation. Rumor was he didn't love football. Haven't heard much of him since, but if the CS can motivate him could be in the conversation next season. Jets look good at G right now.

Real problem for the Jets moving forward is LT. D'Brick has been a great player for us, but is scheduled to make $14,000,000 next year. Not going to happen. Undoubtedly they will approach him to take a BIG pay cut. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets take a LT in first or second round.
 

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Winters has played very well since the first Fins game. Was a liability last season as LG, but has actually been an up grade over Colon RG. Have been very surprised by his mobility.

Jets also have Jarvis Harrison who they drafted last year. Guy is a monster. Could have carried a 2nd or 3rd round grade. The rap on him was his motivation. Rumor was he didn't love football. Haven't heard much of him since, but if the CS can motivate him could be in the conversation next season. Jets look good at G right now.

Real problem for the Jets moving forward is LT. D'Brick has been a great player for us, but is scheduled to make $14,000,000 next year. Not going to happen. Undoubtedly they will approach him to take a BIG pay cut. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Jets take a LT in first or second round.

I am not denying Winters has played well... But Brooks would be an upgrade, with his pass blocking...

Jarvis Harrison is still in that transition stage this year and will need another year of development of being that role guy, subbing throughout the year giving starter relief...

Brick has decreased his value from poor play over the last two years, and yes his $14 M cap is huge but cap savings is only $9 M to be exact... The Jets will take a tackle but because of the prospect ranks wouldn't be surprised for them to take a tackle with their 2nd round pick in the likes of Kyle Murphy from Stanford and/or Joe Haeg from N. Dakota St. both are left tackles that would need a year to translate to this level but both have the potential and the footwork to make that transition...

Doubt Laremy Tunsil from Ole Miss the only tackle I feel can start day one will drop into the Jets lap, unless he falls out of the top 10 could the Jets move up for him...
 
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I am not denying Winters has played well... But Brooks would be an upgrade, with his pass blocking...

Jarvis Harrison is still in that transition stage this year and will need another year of development of being that role guy, subbing throughout the year giving starter relief...

Brick has decreased his value from poor play over the last two years, and yes his $14 M cap is huge but cap savings is only $9 M to be exact... The Jets will take a tackle but because of the prospect ranks wouldn't be surprised for them to take a tackle with their 2nd round pick in the likes of Kyle Murphy from Stanford and/or Joe Haeg from N. Dakota St. both are left tackles that would need a year to translate to this level but both have the potential and the footwork to make that transition...

Doubt Laremy Tunsil from Ole Miss the only tackle I feel can start day one will drop into the Jets lap, unless he falls out of the top 10 could the Jets move up for him...

Point is the Jets will have limited cap space available next season. They have some young untested talent on the team right now. It's always fun to throw out the names of every UFA out there, but in all honesty over paying FA players in the hopes of upgrading a position....maybe, before you see what the young guys can do, is not the way championships are built.

IMO Jets should apply the "next man up" principle. Develop their own players, and use FA's to fill temporary holes. Saying Brooks is a clear upgrade over Winters is pure speculation, which they would have to pay dearly for.

I don't see Macc "raiding" anyone's roster when there are current young players on the Jets roster who could fill what holes might open.

LT is my real concern for next year. When Brick is offered the reduced deal, if is very possible he says no thanks, and goes out on the market.
 
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my two fav texan olineman I scouted when I was writing the bic mac scouting analysis report when the site first went live.

RG Brandon Brooks is UFA, will be 27 and is an upgrade over Colon & Winters
OC Ben Jones is UFA, also will be 27 and could be Mangold's heir apparent or replacement
 

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Point is the Jets will have limited cap space available next season. They have some young untested talent on the team right now. It's always fun to throw out the names of every UFA out there, but in all honesty over paying FA players in the hopes of upgrading a position....maybe, before you see what the young guys can do, is not the way championships are built.

IMO Jets should apply the "next man up" principle. Develop their own players, and use FA's to fill temporary holes. Saying Brooks is a clear upgrade over Winters is pure speculation, which they would have to pay dearly for.

I don't see Macc "raiding" anyone's roster when there are current young players on the Jets roster who could fill what holes might open.

LT is my real concern for next year. When Brick is offered the reduced deal, if is very possible he says no thanks, and goes out on the market.

Mathematically speaking as of now the Jets have $14 M in free cap space with a couple of moves they can easily free up an additional $30 to 36 M on top of the $14 M minus about $5 M for draft prospects but still, $39 M - $44 M could be available and depending on who they target they will be able to be creative in how they sign those contracts... Some could be signing bonuses in the first year with a minimum base salary so that the cap charge won't affect in the first year while others could receiver roster bonuses at season's end on cap dollars not spent via incentives that weren't met...

Brandon Brooks could adhere to a contract exactly like James Carpenter's 4 year $19.1 M not top tier money but well worth him signing with us... Add in Ben Jones, say his contract is similar to those two around $23 M over 4 years just because of the importance of the position... Acquiring Jeff Adams who will likely receive a RFA tender we trade his contract for the one season would be $2 M roughly... So for all three of these guys cap charge for next season could be around $6 M about the money the Jets would save if they cut/restructure/trade either Brick or Mangold... Assuming Breno is gone too, then add in another $3 M give or take depending if they spread the dead loss over two years or pay a lump sum...

Chris Clark a 30 year old UFA Texans, also will hit the market and he has played considerably well at both tackle positions... The Jets have another option, James Carpenter has experience playing all 5 offensive line positions and could easily slide over the the left tackle position either for one year or as his new position on our offensive line...

I can say this with certainty the Jets are high on Ben Ijalana...
 
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The only thing is when you have two of the most dependable olineman for the jets since 2005 your talking 10 years or more those guys don't grow on trees and I would bet they restructure to stay with the team and be competitive.

if i had to choose i trade brick before mangold. I don't trade mangold for anything.
 

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The only thing is when you have two of the most dependable olineman for the jets since 2005 your talking 10 years or more those guys don't grow on trees and I would bet they restructure to stay with the team and be competitive.

if i had to choose i trade brick before mangold. I don't trade mangold for anything.

again that wasn't what I was getting at...

would rather keep Mangold for 2 more years draft a center to be his heir apparent to learn from him...

as for Brick my feelings is he after seeing that Concussion movie has doubts of whether he should keep playing... Even before that there was speculation that this could be his last season knowing his contract situation heading into this off season would be a complex one... in the end if he does come back it will have to be at a reduce rate, but no guarantees like most of you stated he might say no, but after all the restructuring he has done for the team, he is a team guy first but nothing is for certain nowadays...

the Jets do need to sew up this line with the long future plans in mind, if that is signing Brandon Brooks, Ben Jones or acquiring Jeff Adams even going out and drafting one, two or three offensive linemen in the first four rounds then that is what they will have to do... But it is time we focus on rebuilding now and not wait too long where as we will have to over pay talent in free agency to come here...
 
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If we win the sb I am sure some will want to go out on top.........there problem solved just win the superbowl............:global (20):
 
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Mathematically speaking as of now the Jets have $14 M in free cap space with a couple of moves they can easily free up an additional $30 to 36 M on top of the $14 M minus about $5 M for draft prospects but still, $39 M - $44 M could be available and depending on who they target they will be able to be creative in how they sign those contracts... Some could be signing bonuses in the first year with a minimum base salary so that the cap charge won't affect in the first year while others could receiver roster bonuses at season's end on cap dollars not spent via incentives that weren't met...

Brandon Brooks could adhere to a contract exactly like James Carpenter's 4 year $19.1 M not top tier money but well worth him signing with us... Add in Ben Jones, say his contract is similar to those two around $23 M over 4 years just because of the importance of the position... Acquiring Jeff Adams who will likely receive a RFA tender we trade his contract for the one season would be $2 M roughly... So for all three of these guys cap charge for next season could be around $6 M about the money the Jets would save if they cut/restructure/trade either Brick or Mangold... Assuming Breno is gone too, then add in another $3 M give or take depending if they spread the dead loss over two years or pay a lump sum...

Chris Clark a 30 year old UFA Texans, also will hit the market and he has played considerably well at both tackle positions... The Jets have another option, James Carpenter has experience playing all 5 offensive line positions and could easily slide over the the left tackle position either for one year or as his new position on our offensive line...

I can say this with certainty the Jets are high on Ben Ijalana...

Mathematically speaking that 14 million puts them at 24 in available cap space. Cap space is not judged in a vacuum, the amount of money available is only weighted by what other teams have available to compete for FA's with. The projected rise in cap to $150,000,000 it is really a moot point, as all teams will receive the same raise in cap, which will be applied to bids for FA's causing the FA price to rise.

Applying previous contracts to what a contract might look like with the cap hikes is clearly not going to work.

Saying that the Jets could clear an additional $36,000,000 is a bit disingenuous. Even if they out right cut the following players, (which just isn't going to happen) D'Brick--9,093,000 Mangold----8,600,000 Cro---8,000,000 Giagomini----3,875,000. The total only comes to 29,568,000. That is with out giving any thought to what it might cost to replace them.

Also you have neglected to incorporate what it would cost to sign some of our own FA's... Wilkerson... Word seems to be he will be franchised. $14.78 million for a DE. Fitzpatrick...he's going to make some money this year, he's earned it. Snacks, Probably one of the best NT's in the NFL..Certainly won't be cheap. Ivory....Powell.. Davis..As much disfavor as he has fallen into with Jets' fans think they want him back. One of the fastest LB'er on the team, and excellent against the run. Antonio Allen...jarrett..Douzable..Walls..Erin Henderson..Quigley..Thompkins.. And of course your friend that some how you can say with certainty the Jets are high on. (I'm not as sure) Ben Ijalana.

Not all these guys will be paid big money, but either they, or their replacements , are not counted in the cap space you ar talking about for next year.

Personally I would rather sign some of our own home grown guys that we know how they play, then go chasing over priced FA's who could easily go bust as we have seen many times before.

Point is, when considering the total structure of the Jets roster, if they want to keep this team semi intact, they are up against the cap.

Suspect Macc , if he's smart, and I think he is, will be very frugal in FA this year.
 
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