Agree 100% which just makes it even more baffling that we won't give Petty the chance to shine against better players!!!
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Agree 100% which just makes it even more baffling that we won't give Petty the chance to shine against better players!!!
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if the jets never intended to give petty a realistic chance to be fitzpatrick's backup this coming season, they did themselves, petty & their fan base a great disservice.. in my book anyway..
I think Petty showed enough in game two that they know they are keeping him - and they know or think they would be okay with his as the #2
I think Smith is getting major reps so they can see whether he has progressed and so trade partners might be encouraged.
Romo appeared to be hurt....minor back injury? Dallas want a veteran?
Cleveland? Geno behind RGIII?
other?
I think Smith is getting major reps so they can see whether he has progressed and so trade partners might be encouraged.
Romo appeared to be hurt....minor back injury? Dallas want a veteran?
Cleveland? Geno behind RGIII?
other?
I think your are dead right. MM and TB are looking to get something, anything for Smith and it won't happen if he is playing with the 3s. It may not happen anyway, but at least they are giving it a shot.
is petty a better QB then he was this time last year?? absolutely..
honestly, i believe that's the only thing we can be sure of, because bowles for whatever reason hasn't given petty a shot (to this point) against established NFL players..
& if petty's going to get that shot, it's going to be tomorrow night..
we've already found out petty can play well with & against fringe NFL players.. unfortunately that's all he will play against in the last preseason game as well..
hey, if bowles & company have already decided petty's fitzpatrick's backup?? great!!
the people that make these decisions get paid really good money to make them.. that & bowles especially maccagnan really do seem like they know what the hell they're doing.. we'll see.....
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It's a reflection of poor leadership. Todd Bowles, I am beginning to question most of the moves he makes????
Look, we could discuss Bowles coaching debacle against the Bills for hours. Most posters do NOT want to put this type of thing out there. They love their dear Todd Bowles, like they just purchased the Obama baby, cradling it.
Just by saying what a lot of people think, I am likely getting a lot of others PO'd. I don't care.
Todd Bowles is rapidly becoming a joke. In the wake of the Buffalo debacle, Todd Bowles needs to start making smarter decisions. A decision to essentially PUNISH Bryce Petty for playing well, can leave this guy open to tons of criticism.
He's NOT helping himself right now. If he continues on this path, he could very well be walking himself right out of town........
You're right about this move being puzzling, as it is. It only makes sense if Geno is being auditioned for a trade or given the chance to dig his own grave, and even then, I would think getting Petty the reps makes more sense.
But I don't think you're beginning to question the moves Bowles makes. You have been questioning him from day one, in part (though not entirely) because he replaced a guy you really liked, Rex.
As for him walking himself out of town, I'm sure the Jets are eager to fire a coach who has a 10-6 record in his head coaching career as a Jet.
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That's a fair enough statement. I do think Rex Ryan is a better overall HC than Todd Bowles based on more experience as a HC and as a generally considered genius on defense. Todd Bowles does not come with any of those tags. He's just what everyone loves because Rex haters wanted anyone but Rex.
And as to your last paragraph, you're kidding yourself if you don't think the fan base wouldn't turn on Todd Bowles this season. NY is a very unforgiving place. It is the ultimate, "what have you done for me lately" place. They could EASILY forget 10 wins, especially if Fitz went down and Bowles marched f*cking GENO SMITH out on the field to be Fitz replacement....
Well, experience comes with time, so firing Bowles undercuts that. And Rex's experience got him 8 wins with a team that many believed was better than the Jets last year. As for Bowles' credentials, he won the NFL's award as the league's top assistant in his last year in Arizona, when he was...wait for it...defensive coordinator. So I would disagree with you massively if you think Rex is a genius on defense and Bowles is not. That's just nonsense.
And yes, Jets fans and the media are impatient. If he goes 8-8 this year, should he be fired after two seasons with an 18-14 record?
Before we start lynching Todd Bowles, he and Mike Maccagnan did in fact turn the circus show that Rex had around here into a disciplined organization. Think about it for a second. They do things very close to the vest. They negotiate behind closed doors as opposed to leaking every thing out to the media as Mike Tannenbaum had doing within people of the organization.
The outlets have no clue how Mac and Bowles operate. Sure certain decisions are head scratchers, but what GM/Coach doesn't do that from time to time.
If the Jets come out and end the season 6-10, then obviosly the pitch forks will come out full blazing. Though IMHO, there is no reason to panic at this moment because with a rookie head coach last season that most NFL gurus had us pegged at 7-9 at best, he had us almost reaching the playoffs. 20/20, people saw last year as having a weak schedule. The fact of the matter was that the team had to play them regardless. Hell, those same teams viewed us as weak more than anything when the 2015 campaign started.
There are positive about this regime as well Maine, not just negatives. Make no mistake, i and many Jets fans here wouldnt sugar coat or over look the back steps to any moves the organization makes. Though as it seems right now, this team is very well built for the immediate present and future.
As i stated in a previous thread, Geno Smith coming off the bench tonight isn't an indication that Bryce Petty is in the "dog house". It's more of an open audition for Geno to perform well in order to get something out of him in a trade. Bryce, no matter if it was against the threes has shown progress. The developement and maturation of how management has handled Bryce is the way how a legit organization promotes growth to the most important position on the field. Unlike how Rex and his GM's went about handling their young guns in the most fragiles stages of their careers (Mark and Geno respectively).
Give it a chance Maine, no need to start burning the house down before its fully constructed.
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Generally speaking, I have been mostly supportive of Todd Bowles, critical when I felt criticism was justified, but far more of a supporter than a critic, so I can't be accused of having an agenda.
I say that to say this, IMO MaineJet, despite his admitted affection for Rex Ryan and suspicions of Todd Bowles, is making a fair point about Bowles where it pertains to Geno and his bizarre behavior (as I see it) with this backup QB competition, if you can even call it a competition, and I have my doubts based on his own words and deeds.
I think Bowles is playing with fire here, and yes, it threatens to cost him the support of Jets fans if he's not careful. The affection of the Jets faithful is always a tenuous proposition at best. You can lose it just as fast as you gained it if your decisions enter the realm of inexplicable and indefensible, and unpopular too, and I fear Bowles is flirting with all three with this Geno/Petty debacle. Nobody with two eyes believes Geno is outplaying Petty this year.
Why he is so enamored with Geno Smith is a mystery too me. As I've said before, its not like this regime drafted him thus they have a personal investment in his success or failure (like Petty). THEY DIDN'T and THEY DON'T, which makes this all the more unusual, and its not like they are bound to him contractually over the long haul whether they like it or not, thus they have to make the best of a bad situation. That is not the case either, as he is in the last year of his contract. So unless he is being showcased for a trade, as some of you have pointed out, and I accept that possibility, but unless thats what this is really all about, and we'll know very soon (and I have my doubts), what we are seeing here is hard to explain and it threatens to blow-up in Bowles face if Fitz gets hurt and Geno gets the first chance to wreck our season, or if, GOD FORBID, keeping Geno costs us Bryce Petty or one of these talented young WR's.
Either way Bowles seems to be playing with fire here, and its awfully hard to understand why.
I say that to say this, IMO MaineJet, despite his admitted affection for Rex Ryan and suspicions of Todd Bowles, is making a fair point about Bowles where it pertains to Geno and his bizarre behavior (as I see it) with this backup QB competition, if you can even call it a competition, and I have my doubts based on his own words and deeds.
I think Bowles is playing with fire here, and yes, it threatens to cost him the support of Jets fans if he's not careful. The affection of the Jets faithful is always a tenuous proposition at best. You can lose it just as fast as you gained it if your decisions enter the realm of inexplicable and indefensible, and unpopular too, and I fear Bowles is flirting with all three with this Geno/Petty debacle. Nobody with two eyes believes Geno is outplaying Petty this year.
Why he is so enamored with Geno Smith is a mystery too me. As I've said before, its not like this regime drafted him thus they have a personal investment in his success or failure (like Petty). THEY DIDN'T and THEY DON'T, which makes this all the more unusual, and its not like they are bound to him contractually over the long haul whether they like it or not, thus they have to make the best of a bad situation. That is not the case either, as he is in the last year of his contract. So unless he is being showcased for a trade, as some of you have pointed out, and I accept that possibility, but unless thats what this is really all about, and we'll know very soon (and I have my doubts), what we are seeing here is hard to explain and it threatens to blow-up in Bowles face if Fitz gets hurt and Geno gets the first chance to wreck our season, or if, GOD FORBID, keeping Geno costs us Bryce Petty or one of these talented young WR's.
Either way Bowles seems to be playing with fire here, and its awfully hard to understand why.
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I fully agree that this is perplexing. I don't understand Bowles' decision here. If it is to drive up any potential Geno trade value, fine. If it's to see once and for all if Geno has anything or not before cutting him, fine. But with how Petty has played, I still think he should be getting the reps. I have no issue saying that.
The Bowles bashing, though, seems both predictable and over-the-top. The guy gets bashed for going 10-6, while Rex gets lauded for going 8-8. The guy gets bashed for losing a must-win in Week 17, yet gets no credit for going 5-0 in the previous must-win games. The guy gets no credit as a bona fide defensive genius despite being the AP Assistant Coach of the Year with Arizona as their DC, and despite putting together a top 5 defense there while half his starters were either suspended or hurt.
What he's doing with Geno and Petty has me scratching my head. But the consistent attacks on him in spite of the evidence is infuriating.
The Bowles bashing, though, seems both predictable and over-the-top. The guy gets bashed for going 10-6, while Rex gets lauded for going 8-8. The guy gets bashed for losing a must-win in Week 17, yet gets no credit for going 5-0 in the previous must-win games. The guy gets no credit as a bona fide defensive genius despite being the AP Assistant Coach of the Year with Arizona as their DC, and despite putting together a top 5 defense there while half his starters were either suspended or hurt.
What he's doing with Geno and Petty has me scratching my head. But the consistent attacks on him in spite of the evidence is infuriating.
For the record, I am acutely aware of the attributes you cited, thats why I have been and continue to be a Bowles supporter. I personally think he was a terrific hire. My gut says he's a Coach you can win a Super Bowl with if you have the horses, and I don't say that lightly, too me SB HC's and SB QB's are the gold standard, but I like Bowles pedigree and I think he has a real chance to be one of those guys. Thats why it would be tragic if he were to lose the support of even a fraction of Jets fans over his handling of this backup QB competition. Tragic because Geno Smith is not worth losing the support of even one fan over. Petty over Geno should be a no-brainer as I see it.
There are times when a coach needs to stand his ground and have the courage of his convictions, however unpopular his decisions are with the fans, but this is not one of those times, Geno Smith is not a player you walk the plank for.
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Who's doing all this bashing, and consistent attacks? MJ doesn't like him, and is laying his case out. That's cool.
He has done some things that are curious, and it always falls on a HC when a team plays like it did against Buffalo .
For the most part, IMO, the fan base is still quite enamored with him.
I agree that Geno is not worth it. At this point, despite not being perfect by any stretch, I am inclined to give this administration the benefit of the doubt, even when I disagree with them. Now, if the Jets end up losing either Petty or Hack because of Geno, or if Geno actually plays a meaningful snap this year, or if the team is suffering from losing a roster spot to carry four QBs, I'll be pretty unhappy. Until that point, I'm trusting in them more than in myself.
Well, MJ's arguments have some merit at times, and in other cases seem to be distanced from any evidence.
And yes, there have been a few perplexing moves made. But in general, this administration has earned the benefit of the doubt. And to be honest, I trust in them a lot more than I trust in Jets fans, including myself.
I thought the Wash game showed a lot about Geno & B.Petty of who is the better upside at QB. Geno still telegraphs his passes locked onto 1 WR until he is tripled covered & throws it for an INT. Geno still has foot work issues of 3-5-7 step from under Center & has to take it from the shotgun to do anything. Petty started slow but clearly the more accurate QB & earned enough to be the Starter in Giants game. What is curious is why Jets love inaccurate passing QB's that telegraph their passes ? I dont get it. They Draft these QB's over & over like Sanchez & then Geno & now this year wasting a 2nd round pick on a horrible QB that will take years to learn. Some things cant be learned for a QB that isnt accurate passer from High School & through College. Drafting based on arm strength is meaningless if they cant pass accurately. Petty is the best back up on the roster, so lets see what he can do with the starters.
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Got to agree.
Really don't see any reason to play smith at all tonight. What's the big showcase for? A conditional 7th? Even if smith has a good game, which I think he will, doubt any one gives up a 7th based on one preseason game. They have 29 real games worth of film to look at...........if they can stomach it.
smith's done here. Just don't understand Bowles reasoning for trying to give this guy every chance to stay for one more year. No matter what happens he won't be back.
I agree with you that Petty, of the young QB's is the most likely to hit. Lets get him his reps now, he MIGHT be the future next year. It won't be Hackenberg. Not next year.
I'm pretty sure that question was answered, you don't demote a guy to 3rd string them try to sell him as the best qb ever for trade bait.
I think Washington was for Jets coaches to see petty, this week is for the league to watch geno.
If I'm wrong, then the Jets are giving geno more reps to save his position out of respect for the veteran player. You don't just drop a2 year nfl starter because a second year redshirt practiced well and beat up 3rd strong backups.
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