Captain Checkdown

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Greg Buttle made a good point regarding Gailey throwing the ball a lot to Ivory. Ivory wasn't used that way much last season. I think he showed an ability to catch and run last night. Even Brandon Marshall said afterwards that this offense is going to be Ivory-centered with the "hogs up front". I like his fearlessness getting hit, and his breakaway speed.

Say what you want about Idzik, but the 4th round pick for Ivory was a downright filthy trade. Absolute highway robbery in our favor.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Greg Buttle made a good point regarding Gailey throwing the ball a lot to Ivory. Ivory wasn't used that way much last season. I think he showed an ability to catch and run last night. Even Brandon Marshall said afterwards that this offense is going to be Ivory-centered with the "hogs up front". I like his fearlessness getting hit, and his breakaway speed.

Say what you want about Idzik, but the 4th round pick for Ivory was a downright filthy trade. Absolute highway robbery in our favor.

A lot of the checkdowns now could be a result of having very vanilla patterns w no one open and also getting Ivory used to a more active role in being a receiver....

 

[jetfandreamer]

Ivory is a beast

 

[jetfandreamer]

So far he looks like a gunfighter who lost his nerve.

Repeatedly I see him looking downfield, not pulling the trigger, and checking down to the safety valve instead. Granted we can't see the receivers downfield, if they are open or covered, but I find it hard to believe no-one had a step or two on the DB (which constitutes open in the NFL) on all of those downs. I think its more likely that Fitz needs more than a step or two because he can't get enough zip on the ball, so he's repeatedly checking down.

Should he force the ball ?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

A lot of the checkdowns now could be a result of having very vanilla patterns w no one open and also getting Ivory used to a more active role in being a receiver....

Another thought could be Chan wants teams to know that Ivory is a threat to catch the ball which causes the defense today attention to that which opens other things in the passing game.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Greg Buttle made a good point regarding Gailey throwing the ball a lot to Ivory. Ivory wasn't used that way much last season. I think he showed an ability to catch and run last night. Even Brandon Marshall said afterwards that this offense is going to be Ivory-centered with the "hogs up front". I like his fearlessness getting hit, and his breakaway speed.

Say what you want about Idzik, but the 4th round pick for Ivory was a downright filthy trade. Absolute highway robbery in our favor.

I think Idzik was a complete moron for some of his picks and contract dealings, but this is ONE thing he did right.

 

[mykcuz]

I was at the game, the receivers were running a lot of short routes. Almost like a goal line passing formation. Marshall would run a10 yard hook or in and be double teamed. He could dive for a catch but didn't have any space to rib after the catch.

Decker was running similar routes and in motion a lot.

Atlanta blitzed a lb almost every play.

The play calling was very basic and short. My take at the game was that they were practicing accuracy in tight windows, and not trying to hit Marshall in stride for 60 yards.

If that was gaileys intention, it worked. Fitz threw in traffic getting rushed on every play and didn't cough up the ball. My observation was that he was taking too long to throw the ball. Potentially rust or testing his pocket presence.

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[johnnysd]

Actually for some bizarre reason some posters hate Pennington with a passion. I'm not one of them.

I was not a Pennington fan later in his career because like Petty he was UNABLE to make plays. I think almost all of the QB stats are pretty much useless, comp %, QB rating, QBR, even INTs mostly.

What matters is making plays. What can you do on 3rd and long? When the offensive line breaks down can you escape the pocket and make a play down field, or some positive yards on the ground? In the late parts of a game or final drive can you throw the medium to deep out to get yards and keep clock? Can you handle blitz?

Fitz and Pennington before him, can do none of these. They will have respectable stats with checkdowns and short passes and by nature they will somewhat limit turnovers but when the game is on the line we will fail.

So some will say when we are 1-3 that it is not Fitz' fault after all he has 60% completions, a decent QB rating and maybe a positive TD/INT ratio. But he will not win any games.

This is the reason he has NEVER won more than 6 games in a year. Ever. Geno has, because unlike Fitz he can make those plays on occasion when needed, and he has.

I think that the Jets will redshirt Petty for at least 8 games. It is still the Geno and Fitz show this year. When Fitz fails or he is injured, Geno will go back in and get his last shot.

But we may have seen the future yesterday in Petty. One thing he has that Geno has not shown and Fitz does not have either is that elite ability to recognize and throw almost instantly. With Geno and Fitz there is always that little extra beat.

 

[flgreen]

So far he looks like a gunfighter who lost his nerve.

Repeatedly I see him looking downfield, not pulling the trigger, and checking down to the safety valve instead. Granted we can't see the receivers downfield, if they are open or covered, but I find it hard to believe no-one had a step or two on the DB (which constitutes open in the NFL) on all of those downs. I think its more likely that Fitz needs more than a step or two because he can't get enough zip on the ball, so he's repeatedly checking down.

Ham I really like you as a poster. But I have to disagree with you on this limp armed portrayal. i agreed earlier in the thread, but just went back and re-watched all the plays on offense.

Fitz's arm upon further review is "liver" then I thought it was. He throws a very nice ball, medium range over the middle. As both myself and Renegade have pointed out, he struggles in 10-15 yard outs, but he can throw intermediate darts.

With out those 13 1st string penalties, I'll bet he scores 20 points first half. I'll take that.

Go back and watch the game again. Fitz really wasn't bad.

IMO your over reacting to a very, very dysfunctional 1st 1/4 by the Jets O. In all honesty, rethinking the posts I made during the first 1/2 in the game thread last night I was more reactionary then you were. I was wrong.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

flgreen, I respect your opinion and its possible I am overreacting to an alarmingly abysmal performance by the first team offense through two preseason games, and perhaps overstating Fitzpatrick's weak arm. I don't think I am, but I'll keep an open mind. I need to see them open up the offense next week verses the Giants, third preseason game where the starters usually go well into the 3rd Qtr, so I need to see them scrap the dink and dunk and lets see if Fitz can direct a downfield passing attack. My mind is open, but I need to see it.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I think Idzik was a complete moron for some of his picks and contract dealings, but this is ONE thing he did right.

The Eric Decker deal was a pretty good one, too. We stole him. Just saying.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

The Eric Decker deal was a pretty good one, too. We stole him. Just saying.

I'm not sure teams were beating down Decker's door, but he will be good for us with a real #1 type of WR.


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[Mainejet]

Ham, I don't know why you are constantly harping on the obvious. There isn't anyone on this site that doesn't know that Ryan Fitzpatrick sucks. I'm sure everyone is well aware. But that's the team you and I have. Get over it. This will not be a good offensive season primarily due to an underachieving offense that commits too many turnovers. The same old story as the last pretty much 5 years. When Geno comes back, he'll suck just as bad if not worse because 1)he's a turnover machine and 2)NOBODY on the team respects him. Geno is a POS and all his teammates are readily aware of that.

The Jets are hoping that sometime soon they can start with the Bryce Petty era because that's their only hope right now at winning a SB.

 

[Lakerfan80]

If our QB situation is that bad than the team could be in a spot to pick a potential franchise guy in round 1.

 

[Mainejet]

I really think the smart thing for the Jets to do is go for a QB in the 2016 draft. Not because I doubt Bryce Petty and his abilities, not because I am overreacting to our current predicament, but because of the following:

1) It's hard to find that guy. There are numerous QB's taken every year and how many actually become franchise QB's? The odds of finding that while drafting one guy at a time is pathetic.

2) Competition is a good thing. It insures that the Jets have all their QB prospects working hard at all times. It brings out the best in everyone. It's the honest approach to finding a championship winning team.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Potential franchise QB's are given every chance to become franchise QB's. The guy in Tennessee thought he would have a chance to compete until the team said it's Mariota's team. The investment and talent gap between a number 2 pick and a 6th round pick is too much for a team to waste time with a competition. A team with QB's competing every year doesn't have a QB.

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

Still better than Geno.

 

[HYATT™]

Like NE hasn't been running a checkdown offense for the past 5 years?
Bradycich has no arm either, doesn't seem to impede their winning record much.

Short pass offenses are not necessarily at a disadvantage, in fact, it's more or less the norm and has been for quite a while now. The old Raiders long-ball offense really isn't a viable offense anymore - the DBs & pass rush specialists are just too damn good these days for a longer developing routes offense to work consistently.

 

[Jetsfanatic]

Like NE hasn't been running a checkdown offense for the past 5 years?
Bradycich has no arm either, doesn't seem to impede their winning record much.

Short pass offenses are not necessarily at a disadvantage, in fact, it's more or less the norm and has been for quite a while now. The old Raiders long-ball offense really isn't a viable offense anymore - the DBs & pass rush specialists are just too damn good these days for a longer developing routes offense to work consistently.

I agree with HYATT.

I also think its complimentary to Fitzpatrick that he checks down rather than forcing passes and getting intercepted, something we have seen all to frequently in recent years.

 

[Mugatu]

Wasn't the whole concept of success this season predicated on the strength of the D, and Geno being able to play OK and in particular limiting turnovers?

Has this changed outside of the name of the QB?