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hobson54

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& for what it's worth, as i'm quite sure you/all of us know, bowles is very well regarded by parcells..

yes.

except pepper johnson was on belichick's coaching staff from 2000-2013. so i think he knows a little about him as a coach.
 

butterscotch

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You know you are all forgetting the hardest position for the jets to hire.

The head sales person for PSL sale...If it were me I would let the cheerleaders do the selling.......That is the only way they will make any sales this offseason:global (31): Ok with free beer
 

jetgreen13

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He is & was like a son to BA in AZ. Look as far as a QB coach how about Chad P.
yep, bowles & arians are pals..

i would absolutely be in favor of bringing pennington on board..

but unless something has changed, he's not interested in coaching because of the demands it would put on his family life..
 

jetgreen13

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yes.

except pepper johnson was on belichick's coaching staff from 2000-2013. so i think he knows a little about him as a coach.
i knew he was up their a long time..

frankly, long enough that a jump from a position coach seemed like it would have happened with NE or somewhere else if he were truly well regarded..

he's basically stagnated for a good while at this point..

& this past season on his resume sure as hell isn't going to help going forward..
 

butterscotch

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yep, bowles & arians are pals..

i would absolutely be in favor of bringing pennington on board..

but unless something has changed, he's not interested in coaching because of the demands it would put on his family life..

Maybe he could be hired just for the summer when his kids are off......any time with chad would be worth it even if he is not the full time QB coach
 

gastineau

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Gailey shouldnt have been hired! Anyways, replacing all these OC-DC ,coaches might be tough because no job security with Bowles possibly gone after next year. The only way for Jets to get a good OC is too allow him to pick any QB he wants in Free Agency & Draft! If Jets are NOT willing to do this for the next OC, ...well then settle on a new start OC that never been there before. The DC is similar situation with Bowles being fired. Jets would also allow him to pick players in Free Agency & Draft to fit his Schemes. If this doesnt happen for these OC & DC coaches ,Jets will get as bad or worse then the trash they let go. Maybe Norv Turner as OC & Rex Ryan as DC? But BOTH would have to pick there players via free agency/Draft to fit their schemes & maybe promise the Jets HC job if Bowles gets fired.
 

gastineau

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Gailey shouldnt have been hired! Anyways, replacing all these OC-DC ,coaches might be tough because no job security with Bowles possibly gone after next year. The only way for Jets to get a good OC is too allow him to pick any QB he wants in Free Agency & Draft! If Jets are NOT willing to do this for the next OC, ...well then settle on a new start OC that never been there before. The DC is similar situation with Bowles being fired. Jets would also allow him to pick players in Free Agency & Draft to fit his Schemes. If this doesnt happen for these OC & DC coaches ,Jets will get as bad or worse then the trash they let go. Maybe Norv Turner as OC & Rex Ryan as DC? But BOTH would have to pick there players via free agency/Draft to fit their schemes & maybe promise the Jets HC job if Bowles gets fired.

Actually Woody should have cleaned the entire House From Mikey Mac To Bowles & the rest of the trash. GM-HC Coach hired the wrong OC-DC & Coaching staff as I said in the beginning & the Drafts by Mikey outside of Williams, has been Horrible considering our GM was a former scout makes it even worse & tells me he didnt even look at the Players he is Drafting in 1st pick Lee & 2nd pick Hackenburg. Dart board drafts based on speed & freshman year.
 

gastineau

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Why didnt Jets fire the DC? Hmmm, Jets must be ok with Revis-Wilk-Richardson-Williams as best workers actions, like missing & late to meetings & walk throughs & Playing half of the snaps at 50%? Jets are just inept, Cant fire & blame those below the DC. Those Coaches are only as good as their DC & runs the Defense as the DC wants. Thats just ridiculous not firing the DC when he is the MOST responsible for the way those Players were allowed to act in games & in practices.
 

Bigmoe

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So the Jets did opposite of the Giants last year. Instead of firing coach and leaving assistants they fire assistants and leave coach and his worst DC Rodgers.
Fucking joke
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NYJETSDAN16

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Hopefully the Raiders pull it off and O'Brien is relieved of his duties. Making him a viable option to be the Jets OC. If you think about it, he kind of owes it to Hackenberg. Christian could have transfered while at PSU during the Paterno saga and could have left O'Brien with no QB.

Would be interesting if Mac can convince Bill to come in at a possible option as Head Coach if Bowles doesn't fare well with the team in '17. O'Brien could be bumped to head coach again.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-be-fired-if-texans-lose-on-wild-card-weekend
 

jetgreen13

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Hopefully the Raiders pull it off and O'Brien is relieved of his duties. Making him a viable option to be the Jets OC. If you think about it, he kind of owes it to Hackenberg. Christian could have transfered while at PSU during the Paterno saga and could have left O'Brien with no QB.

Would be interesting if Mac can convince Bill to come in at a possible option as Head Coach if Bowles doesn't fare well with the team in '17. O'Brien could be bumped to head coach again.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-be-fired-if-texans-lose-on-wild-card-weekend
the potential o'brien hackenberg reunion is interesting.. & of course, maccagnan & o'brien have history as well..

i've said our next OC could also be our next HC but i'm guessing even bowles would be able to sniff this out..

then again, how much say do maccagnan & or bowles have in who fills the coaching vacancies anyway??

who knows with this organization..
 

hatnlvr

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I think retaining Bowles after one bad season was the right move (you can't just dump every coach after a bad year, that's partially what has gotten us into this situation to begin with).

Give him a chance to fix the issues and bring in those who he feels can help him do that.

Now his friendship and loyalty to the inept Rodgers is unacceptable and Mac should have stepped in and told Bowles "the D was hot garbage, he has to go PERIOD!"

If Bowles was really the DC then why the hell is Rodgers on the staff collecting a paycheck as the DC? If he is a YES man, then again he doesn't have the skill, talent or fortitude to man the position.

Any which way you cut or slice it, he is holding a crucially important position and cannot do the job.

As fans we are stuck with what we get, so let's just hope for the best and see how they handle the offseason.
 

Namath12

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pepper johnson had a lot of experience coaching the d-line. some guy named bill belichick switched him from LB coach to d-line coach in 2004 and kept him there for 8 years.

i personally was very happy when the jets hired him to replace dunbar (although i would have happily kept dunbar but he chose to follow rex to buffalo). johnson had a very good reputation as a coach and was seen as a future head coach. now given the talent on the d-line and the performance of the unit, it's hard to argue with his dismissal. but he was one guy on the staff i was surprised didn't work out.

Did not realize that Pepper coached the D-line for the Pats. I still think it's generally strange for a player of one position to coach a different position, but obviously it was fine with "Little Bill." I think that today is the anniversary of the day that he resigned as HC of the NYJ." I remember Steve Gutman being interviewed on the radio right after the resignation. Gutman stated that "Bill Belichick" has just suffered an emotional breakdown." What an arrogant man. Belichick too. Imagine how different it might have been if Belichick had stayed,

On a separate note: where have you been? Not trying to pry. I'm just indicating that you were a voice of reason on the Scout forum, but haven't posted much here lately. My son went to Michigan, so I have a connection to Hobson as well.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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I think retaining Bowles after one bad season was the right move (you can't just dump every coach after a bad year, that's partially what has gotten us into this situation to begin with).

Give him a chance to fix the issues and bring in those who he feels can help him do that.

Now his friendship and loyalty to the inept Rodgers is unacceptable and Mac should have stepped in and told Bowles "the D was hot garbage, he has to go PERIOD!"

If Bowles was really the DC then why the hell is Rodgers on the staff collecting a paycheck as the DC? If he is a YES man, then again he doesn't have the skill, talent or fortitude to man the position.

Any which way you cut or slice it, he is holding a crucially important position and cannot do the job.

As fans we are stuck with what we get, so let's just hope for the best and see how they handle the offseason.


Truth of the matter is that its been over 20 years that this organization has ever fired a coach after 2 seasons. That guy was the infamous Rich Kotite.
Not for nothing, the Jets have been very loyal to their hirings at HC and have given them fair time to prove their worth. Even at GM. Bradway had 5 years, Tanny had 6 years. Only abberation was Idzik and he needed to get canned after failing to build this team through the draft with 12 picks.


Woody and Mac have got to Hire an OC with Head coaching potential just in case Bowles loses this locker room again. Also, we need some one that can develop Hackenberg, not impede his progress.
 

NYJETSDAN16

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the potential o'brien hackenberg reunion is interesting.. & of course, maccagnan & o'brien have history as well..

i've said our next OC could also be our next HC but i'm guessing even bowles would be able to sniff this out..

then again, how much say do maccagnan & or bowles have in who fills the coaching vacancies anyway??

who knows with this organization..

I agree 100%.

Also there is an interesting dichotomy on the horizon with this team in '17:

Bowles knows its "PUT UP or BE PUT OUT" this season. Thus i can see him pulling a Mangini and vying for a veteran QB in Tony Romo, just like in '08 with Brett.

Now enter an OC such as Bill O'Brien, who could be grooming Hack until the right moment. Re-grooming him into a legit QB like his freshman year at PSU. If Bowles stinks it up and start 2-6, Mac wont have to start over at QB as he would just bump O'Brien to OC and continue to allow Hack to be guided under the right tuteledge.

I just see too many positives with O'Brien here. A guy that just wants to win no matter what. He's done so with absolutley nothing at Houston. No QB. The guy is gutsy. He benched Osweiller. By doing so, he won a second straight division title. I'am more than sure he would have started Savage vs Oakland. Though he has no other option but to play Brock.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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I think retaining Bowles after one bad season was the right move (you can't just dump every coach after a bad year, that's partially what has gotten us into this situation to begin with).

Give him a chance to fix the issues and bring in those who he feels can help him do that.

Now his friendship and loyalty to the inept Rodgers is unacceptable and Mac should have stepped in and told Bowles "the D was hot garbage, he has to go PERIOD!"

If Bowles was really the DC then why the hell is Rodgers on the staff collecting a paycheck as the DC? If he is a YES man, then again he doesn't have the skill, talent or fortitude to man the position.

Any which way you cut or slice it, he is holding a crucially important position and cannot do the job.

As fans we are stuck with what we get, so let's just hope for the best and see how they handle the offseason.

I was much more shocked and disappointed in the defense this year. Everyone knew Fitz had the potential to regress based on his track record. And the Decker injury really hurt him. Gailey didn't have a great season either. He rode Fitz outta the shotgun way too much.

But the real issue was the D. They WAY underperformed. In my opinion, there was too much talent to look that bad. Kacy Rodgers is lucky to still have a job.
 

jetgreen13

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I agree 100%.

Also there is an interesting dichotomy on the horizon with this team in '17:

Bowles knows its "PUT UP or BE PUT OUT" this season. Thus i can see him pulling a Mangini and vying for a veteran QB in Tony Romo, just like in '08 with Brett.

Now enter an OC such as Bill O'Brien, who could be grooming Hack until the right moment. Re-grooming him into a legit QB like his freshman year at PSU. If Bowles stinks it up and start 2-6, Mac wont have to start over at QB as he would just bump O'Brien to OC and continue to allow Hack to be guided under the right tuteledge.

I just see too many positives with O'Brien here. A guy that just wants to win no matter what. He's done so with absolutley nothing at Houston. No QB. The guy is gutsy. He benched Osweiller. By doing so, he won a second straight division title. I'am more than sure he would have started Savage vs Oakland. Though he has no other option but to play Brock.
i have no doubt bowles is going to do everything in his power to try to convince johnson he needs a veteran QB because hackenberg & or petty are either not ready or just not good QB's..

safe bet if things do go down like that, maccagnan is not going to be thrilled with bowles, if his drafted QB's can't see the light of day.. especially if he believes his QB's can play..

this is shaping up to being as toxic as ryan & idzik.. maybe worse if maccagnan can convince johnson to hire o'brien..
 

Namath12

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i have no doubt bowles is going to do everything in his power to try to convince johnson he needs a veteran QB because hackenberg & or petty are either not ready or just not good QB's..

safe bet if things do go down like that, maccagnan is not going to be thrilled with bowles, if his drafted QB's can't see the light of day.. especially if he believes his QB's can play..

this is shaping up to being as toxic as ryan & idzik.. maybe worse if maccagnan can convince johnson to hire o'brien..

This is one of the main reasons why I have been so critical of Woody. When the GM and the coach are basically equal in power, they are always going to be operating at cross purposes. There needs to be a hierarchy from owner to GM to coach, rather than have both men report to a know-nothing about football owner. I don't understand why Woody does not receive more criticism. He (along with Hess before him) is the common denominator in all these years of ineptitude. Again, look at the order of the hirings of Bowles and Mac. Why would an outstanding GM candidate agree to this structure?
 
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