Dee Milliner

[Superman55]

I'm all for competition, I just feel that Milliner is coming off a serious injury and it may be advantageous to bring him back slow. Revis and Cro are a great starting combo. I envision Milliner eventually taking snaps from Cro however I think 2016 is more realistic.

This is what's going to happen. Jets will ease him along slowly in the dime. We just signed 3 elite CBs and a FS that plays CB in the slot. That's essentially 4 coverage guys I believe are in front of Milliner...but I could see Milliner coming into a lot of coverage packages replacing Pryor on the field.

 

[flgreen]

Ummm...a player has to clear waivers to go on IR? Might want to check that...pretty sure Peyton didn't have to clear waivers while on the Colts to go on IR...same for Brady when he had the knee injury...or we should have put in a claim.

I think vested veterans are treated different then young players.


"Waived/Injured — Teams are able to waive an injured player. Other teams can claim any player on the Waived/Injured list. If players clear their waivers, which most players do, their original team can either put them on the IR list or come to an injury settlement agreement and part ways."

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/new-nfl-injuredreserve-ir-rule.html


It used to be an unwritten rule, that teams wouldn't claim a player off IR waivers untill, you know the Pats did it in 2012
Patriots claim running back Tyler Gaffney off waivers
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By Marc Sessler
Around the NFL Writer
Published: July 28, 2014 at 05:44 p.m. Updated: July 28, 2014 at 11:52 p.m.

Bill Belichick just did the most Bill Belichickian thing ever.

The New England Patriots on Monday claimed rookie running back Tyler Gaffney off waivers after the Carolina Panthers tried to sneak their sixth-round pick through waivers and onto injured reserve.


Gaffney suffered a knee injury over the weekend that will require surgery. He'll miss the season, but when he returns, he'll wear New England's red, white and blue.

It's reminiscent of Belichick claiming injured Giants tight end Jake Ballard off waivers in 2012 after New York also attempted to whisk the veteran by for a trip to IR.

After the Ballard transaction, the Patriots were dressed down by some for breaking a so-called "unwritten rule" that says teams should respectfully turn a blind eye to injured players riding the waiver wire.

We recall similar ire when the Browns in 2009 exposed sixth-round rookie cornerback Don Carey to waivers only to have the Jaguars snatch him up.

"That's the first time I've ever seen that," an official with another team said at the time, per The Plain Dealer. "I would have bet money that nobody would have claimed him."

Well, you bet wrong, sir.

Belichick doesn't give a hoot about unwritten rules, and shame on any team clutching to the belief that a talented player exposed league-wide is guaranteed to go untouched.

The latest Around The League Podcast visits with former Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum and discusses the best of the early training-camp surprises.





Unless we want to see Milliner on the Pats next yer, IR is probabbly not a good idea

 

[hobson54]

no, that is not the same. that is trying to waive an injured player. some teams try to send an injured player through waivers, use the availability to sign someone else, and then IF/When the player clears waivers, sign them and stash them on the IR.

this is not the same as just putting a player who is hurt on the IR. plenty of players are placed on the IR each year (designated to return or regular year ending IR), they do not need to go through waivers.

 

[Football51]

no, that is not the same. that is trying to waive an injured player. some teams try to send an injured player through waivers, use the availability to sign someone else, and then IF/When the player clears waivers, sign them and stash them on the IR.

this is not the same as just putting a player who is hurt on the IR. plenty of players are placed on the IR each year (designated to return or regular year ending IR), they do not need to go through waivers.

Was just going to respond to this. Well said Hobson.

 

[NickSINYC]

no, that is not the same. that is trying to waive an injured player. some teams try to send an injured player through waivers, use the availability to sign someone else, and then IF/When the player clears waivers, sign them and stash them on the IR.

this is not the same as just putting a player who is hurt on the IR. plenty of players are placed on the IR each year (designated to return or regular year ending IR), they do not need to go through waivers.

Right on point

 

[Superman55]

no, that is not the same. that is trying to waive an injured player. some teams try to send an injured player through waivers, use the availability to sign someone else, and then IF/When the player clears waivers, sign them and stash them on the IR.

this is not the same as just putting a player who is hurt on the IR. plenty of players are placed on the IR each year (designated to return or regular year ending IR), they do not need to go through waivers.

this is exactly right.

 

[cysporsche]

People RELAX, Milliner will get plenty of PT when Coach Bowles implements his new 3-8 D ! :stoned-smiley:

Go Jets...Cyborg

 

[mykcuz]

No! We just have different opinions! Milliner suffered a big time injury that may set him back for a few years. He had a rough rookie season but improved towards the end of the season. I see a good player when healthy. I look at it as a win with all of these Db's signing. Draft isn't exactly strong in CB and this allows Milliner yo heal without being rushed.

Funny how Milliner and geno both had the same 4 breakout games, huh?

 

[Elias]

Funny how Milliner and geno both had the same 4 breakout games, huh?

What does that show?

 

[mykcuz]

What does that show?

Coincidence? That they both got burned or struggled all year, until the end of the season playing against bottom of the league teams whose seasons were already over. (Including ours) when they had to win they couldn't, when the opponents were in don't get injured mode they suddenly became elite?
Don't think so.

 

[Superman55]

Coincidence? That they both got burned or struggled all year, until the end of the season playing against bottom of the league teams whose seasons were already over. (Including ours) when they had to win they couldn't, when the opponents were in don't get injured mode they suddenly became elite?
Don't think so.

Geno set a rookie record for most 4th quarter or over time comebacks by a rookie QB in a season. He had more passing yards and passing TDs of any rookie QB in Jets history and Geno; before the last 4 games, led the first Jets offense in team history with a 300 yard passer, 100 yard rusher, and 2 100 yard WRs with a rookie QB...but dont let the facts get in the way of a good "I hate Geno" post...

Geno wasn't ready at all to start in the NFL the day he was drafted, but had to due to injury, and is still the best rookie QB the Jets have ever had somehow. Hopefully we dont draft mariota based on this fan reaction, because we'll be sitting exactly where we are now in 2 years with everyone calling him a bum despite everyone knowing the day he was drafted he wasnt ready to play yet...and we're evaluating a QB based on when he wasnt ready to play but played...

 

[Jet Setter]

Geno set a rookie record for most 4th quarter or over time comebacks by a rookie QB in a season. He had more passing yards and passing TDs of any rookie QB in Jets history and Geno; before the last 4 games, led the first Jets offense in team history with a 300 yard passer, 100 yard rusher, and 2 100 yard WRs with a rookie QB...but dont let the facts get in the way of a good "I hate Geno" post...

Geno wasn't ready at all to start in the NFL the day he was drafted, but had to due to injury, and is still the best rookie QB the Jets have ever had somehow. Hopefully we dont draft mariota based on this fan reaction, because we'll be sitting exactly where we are now in 2 years with everyone calling him a bum despite everyone knowing the day he was drafted he wasnt ready to play yet...and we're evaluating a QB based on when he wasnt ready to play but played...

And I think Mike is too smart to place all his eggs in one basket with Mariota as John did with Geno. Mike can ride Geno out until he either proves himself or fails. Everyone knows he inherited him and will certainly be given a chance to select his guy. But the difference is that he can wait for his guy whether it be another draft pick down the road or a veteran. I'm sure he took away what most others did after his rough play in games that he faced a defense that took away Oregon's running game and his average combine performance to this now mediocre to poor pro day. He hasn't run a pro-style offense and all indications are it will take him more than a year to simply be comfortable. On top of all that, I don't think he even has the arm strength.

I'm not sure what the frenzy is for Mariota but I can't help but think that most of his supporters have not truly dug into his game. I have to believe they are simply enamored with his stats and completion percentage for which anyone could duplicate in that offense.

I'm not concerned as I trust Mike is a savvy scout and sees him for what he is. That being the case, I think he's probably taken him off his board by now.

 

[sg3]

Here are some real facts


Geno sucked in 2013 but he was a rookie and looked almost mediocre in December garbage time meaningless games

Geno sucked worse in 2014 and regressed holding on to his status as the worst in.the NFL. Again he looked almost decent in meaningless December costing the Jets the second pick in the draft

Summary

He sucks and will continue to.suck. Not an NFL.QB...a BUST.

HOPING for him.to.be anything else is just a delusional.pipe dream

With Fitzpatrick, Grayson or Petty, and Simms...the Jets QB situation is improved

Time to show Smith the exit

 

[Jet Setter]

Here are some real facts


Geno sucked in 2013 but he was a rookie and looked almost mediocre in December garbage time meaningless games

Geno sucked worse in 2014 and regressed holding on to his status as the worst in.the NFL. Again he looked almost decent in meaningless December costing the Jets the second pick in the draft

Summary

He sucks and will continue to.suck. Not an NFL.QB...a BUST.

HOPING for him.to.be anything else is just a delusional.pipe dream

With Fitzpatrick, Grayson or Petty, and Simms...the Jets QB situation is improved

Time to show Smith the exit

You're going to be in store for some major disappointment then.

And I'm sorry, but those aren't facts. As for Geno looking almost mediocre, he had a perfect rating score his last game against Miami. He didn't look bad that game. I'm no fan of his either but I'd ask you to actually watch Mariota's game film and tell me he's everything we should want in a QB. Did you see his games against Arizona and Ohio St? Didn't look like a leader that will take the team on his back. A shrinking violet. Just imagine him in NY.

To this point on this site, I haven't seen any real argument to convince me (and others) that we should take Mariota.

 

[hatnlvr]

Here are some real facts


Geno sucked in 2013 but he was a rookie and looked almost mediocre in December garbage time meaningless games

Geno sucked worse in 2014 and regressed holding on to his status as the worst in.the NFL. Again he looked almost decent in meaningless December costing the Jets the second pick in the draft

Summary

He sucks and will continue to.suck. Not an NFL.QB...a BUST.

HOPING for him.to.be anything else is just a delusional.pipe dream

With Fitzpatrick, Grayson or Petty, and Simms...the Jets QB situation is improved

Time to show Smith the exit

Not that I'm disagreeing with you at all because I am not a Geno supporter but I think he will be given a chance through OTA's and camp to prove if he can get it done or not. If he is clearly beaten out by the other QB's on the roster (which we will know all of them after the draft), than I think he is released before the upcoming season.

It's tough to grade out any draft pick after only 2 season, but he has been so God awful that everyone should see why he slipped in the draft. You can blame the OC all you want but Mornhinweg ran some very successful offenses in Philly, got the best out of Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb there, not to mention Sanchez was looking very comfortable in his offense before the injury. Geno has looked horrible with the exception of a few games, but I think they will give him a chance before putting him out on the street.

 

[NCgreen12]

I think or am hoping this is a real wake up call for Milliner. His whole life he was probably the best on his team because he's a superior athlete. However, being a pro requires the mental part to be just as superior. Showing up last year in less than stellar shape showed he's not there yet. So I think this off season hopefully shows him teams have only so much patience and you are a incident away from losing your job and riding the bench.

He needs to step it up, get healthy and get in the best shape of his life.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

Did I miss something? A number of you think Millener is already out for the first 8 games ,... where did that info come from?

 

[Jet Setter]

Did I miss something? A number of you think Millener is already out for the first 8 games ,... where did that info come from?

The chatter on this thread suggest he's finished for the year because it was an Achilles injury. The truth is, we haven't heard anything by way of status on him or McDougal.

 

[Greentilldeath]

Cromartie is coming off a pro bowl season and is the most familiar with Bowles defense. If Milliner is healthy (and that is a huge if), I can't see him having a larger role than sub'g in Nickel and Dime packages. He has a lot to prove and the new CS has no connection to him, so he is going to have to earn every crumb he gets.

I agree entirely with this quote. Cromartie..... on his worst day.... is better than anything Milliner has shown as a pro.

 

[hatnlvr]

I think or am hoping this is a real wake up call for Milliner. His whole life he was probably the best on his team because he's a superior athlete. However, being a pro requires the mental part to be just as superior. Showing up last year in less than stellar shape showed he's not there yet. So I think this off season hopefully shows him teams have only so much patience and you are a incident away from losing your job and riding the bench.

He needs to step it up, get healthy and get in the best shape of his life.

This may be true, but until he can get healthy and stay healthy we will never know what he is capable of. He had health issues coming out of college and we can all see now that they were well founded. I think he really needs to reevaluate his workout and recovery regimes and start trying to alternate methods because he has some serious health issues.