Does the rationale for Fitz make sense?

[isired]

I don't know he looked pretty dam good in pre-season when he outplayed all the QBs on this team! THis is BS, as the other posters have expressed, they believe they still have a chance... but really the way this team plays, I don't see how they realistically believe that....

I agree that they need to get some film on Petty, but not if he's going to look like Kellen Clemens out there - holding the ball too long, getting confused pre- vs post-season, etc. Most of the guys he was playing against in preseason are free on Sunday afternoons in the fall.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

It's pretty much always been a lock for Petty to play once the team is eliminated from the Playoffs and 7 is for sure the magic number

Well if thats true then I hope we lose the next two.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Thats fair to say, his track record verses tomato cans is pretty good, but he can't beat good teams. Thats why he's been good enough to play in the league for over a decade, even start in a few places, but he's never led a team to the post season and he never sticks in one place very long. Eventually teams figure out he can only take you so far, but he can never compete with the big boys and get you to the next level. So basically if Fitz is your QB, you are just spinning your wheels.

Last year was his career year, and still with the post season on the line, verses an eliminated team, he spit the bit.

He can't beat good teams?

He beat Dallas, NYG, and the Patriots last year. Or does that not count anymore?

He also beat Buffalo this year, who beat AZ and NE earlier in the season.

I understand that Fitz's detractors are firmly entrenched in their stance, but sometimes the opposition to him gets a little crazy. As others have stated, Petty's not ready. Preseason games don't mean squat. He hasn't faced a first team defense yet. He is an unknown, and unproven player. Fans are setting themselves up for major disappointment if they automatically think he's the savior. He's a 50/50 player, who's still injured and still not ready.

 

[Mainejet]

So what is the rationale?

Fitz gives us the best chance to win games, therefore he won't be pulled until we are mathematically eliminated.

True or False?

It depends on who the veteran is and who the neophyte is.

If the veteran is a good player, then yeah, he gives you a better chance to win. But if the veteran sucks and the neophyte has more talent, however raw, you don't automatically assume he gives you the best chance to win.

I just watched the Yankees piss their season away based on the same false premise. For months Yankee fans on the board where I post were begging the Yankees to cut bait with the aging veterans (Arod, Tex, et al.) and bring up the baby bombers, and for months Yankees management insisted we have to ride with the veterans because they give us the best chance to win, and we are not ready to concede the season. Finally the veterans dug such a deep hole that it all seemed lost, so management made the transition to a youth movement, and guess what happened?

THEY STARTED WINNING!!!

I mean they actually dug themselves out of that hole and put the team in the race in September and October. Ultimately they fell short because the hole was too deep, but if they had made the transition a month or so sooner, when Yankee fans were begging them to make the transition, the Yankees might have made the playoffs this year.

So in short, the Yankees operated on the false premise that veterans give you a better chance to win, but the opposite was true, the neophytes gave them a better chance to win, because the veterans were over the hill and the neophytes were simply more talented, especially Gary Sanchez who was a beast. Sanchez alone could have put them in the playoffs if he was called up in April or May instead of August. So the conventional wisdom is nonsense, it all depends on the players, its not always one or the other.

I disagree with you about Bryce Petty or anyone else for that matter giving the Jets the best chance at winning. Fitz IS the best QB on the roster, 11 interceptions and all, he is still the best QB on the roster. Frankly, I think the Jets season is over and they should make the move to Petty to see what the future holds and Fitz is not a part of it.

But why not call this what it is, Ham? You and I both have major question about whether Bowles is a competent HC. So why not mention when you are making these points that Todd Bowles is making, in your estimation, BAD choices for this team?

 

[jets82]

This line of thinking looks like it makes sense, but it's over simplified and incorrect.
Fitz can be terrible, and can deserve to be benched, but that doesn't mean that's the right choice.

There's a second world that may intersect but is separate, and that's pettys world. Fitz performance doesn't make petty ready to play, and that's what you and others assume. The thought that seeing game reps are always the best option,is flawed.

Bowles, from the Parcells school, most likely is protecting his young QB's by standing strong until they are ready to see the field.

Sanchez had the most prolific start to a career in history,I believe. Do you expect that to continue forever?

What if Sanchez entered the season earlier,struggled, and hit a slump and was labeled a bust? Just because he was ready late,doesn't mean he was ready earlier, or that the results would have been identical.

I think if the kids aren't ready, Fitz will continue to start. If they belive petty is ready in 2 weeks,and Fitz is sucking, Bowles will make the switch. But bad play from Fitz does not equate to good play from petty.

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I get what your saying but your missing my point. I'm not expecting Petty or Hack to come in an set the world on fire. I'm not expecting them to do what Dak or Wentz are doing. I'm expecting them to do what Fitz is doing at least. Which really isn't asking a lot at all. If they can't do that at the least, then we do have a real problem. True enough and I realize, if they're doing only what Fitz is doing then were not going to be any better but that's not the point either.

My point is, let them learn on the field and get the experience. Let's see if they can get better as the year goes along. Let's see if we have a future with either QB. I personally don't think we do but it would be nice to see. If we had and were talking about better then average QBs like Jay Cutler or Alex Smith or Sam Bradford, I could understand your argument or anyone else's. I could understand the CS going with the veteran QB but were talking about Fitzpatrick and he ain't shit!!!

If Petty or Hack can't do atleast what Fitz is doing then, our QB issues are a lot worse then what we think. Look at the short span of Geno and how much better he looked throwing the ball. How much faster and accurate the ball was getting to the playmakers. Look at how the offense seemed to flow and move better up and down the field. This is with a QB that isn't our future either. He's got tons more talent then Fitz but makes the same dumbass mistakes he does.

Geno can't stay healthy and lacks the mental toughness it takes to be a franchise guy. It's time to see if Petty or Hack can have these attributes that both Fitz and Geno don't. This season is a wash anyway so why not? They may not be mathematically eliminated yet but in about 2-3 week they will be. Hopefully then the CS will be smart enough to do the right thing then. If their not, then they deserve to be fired.

 

[mykcuz]

I get what your saying but your missing my point. I'm not expecting Petty or Hack to come in an set the world on fire. I'm not expecting them to do what Dak or Wentz are doing. I'm expecting them to do what Fitz is doing at least. Which really isn't asking a lot at all. If they can't do that at the least, then we do have a real problem. True enough and I realize, if they're doing only what Fitz is doing then were not going to be any better but that's not the point either.

My point is, let them learn on the field and get the experience. Let's see if they can get better as the year goes along. Let's see if we have a future with either QB. I personally don't think we do but it would be nice to see. If we had and were talking about better then average QBs like Jay Cutler or Alex Smith or Sam Bradford, I could understand your argument or anyone else's. I could understand the CS going with the veteran QB but were talking about Fitzpatrick and he ain't shit!!!

If Petty or Hack can't do atleast what Fitz is doing then, our QB issues are a lot worse then what we think. Look at the short span of Geno and how much better he looked throwing the ball. How much faster and accurate the ball was getting to the playmakers. Look at how the offense seemed to flow and move better up and down the field. This is with a QB that isn't our future either. He's got tons more talent then Fitz but makes the same dumbass mistakes he does.

Geno can't stay healthy and lacks the mental toughness it takes to be a franchise guy. It's time to see if Petty or Hack can have these attributes that both Fitz and Geno don't. This season is a wash anyway so why not? They may not be mathematically eliminated yet but in about 2-3 week they will be. Hopefully then the CS will be smart enough to do the right thing then. If their not, then they deserve to be fired.

Sorry but I get your point. You are over simplifying. You think so what if he's bad, he can learn on the fly. That's not how this works.
You see rookie QB's doing well on good offenses and figure petty can do the same. Petty and hack are projects, not nfl ready rookies.
Dak walked into the best offensive line since Elways broncos or Aikmans Dallas teams. He was put into a great position to succeed. Who knows, if the Vikings drafted him,they might be 0-6. It's not simple mathematics. And for the record, I was pretty vocal about drafting Dak because I figured he'd go in the fourth and we could steal him in the 3rd.

The point is, if petty isn't ready developmentally, you could ruin his career. Something we have seen in the nfl, and it's not my logic, it's hall of fame coaches logic.

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[jets82]

Sorry but I get your point. You are over simplifying. You think so what if he's bad, he can learn on the fly. That's not how this works.
You see rookie QB's doing well on good offenses and figure petty can do the same. Petty and hack are projects, not nfl ready rookies.
Dak walked into the best offensive line since Elways broncos or Aikmans Dallas teams. He was put into a great position to succeed. Who knows, if the Vikings drafted him,they might be 0-6. It's not simple mathematics. And for the record, I was pretty vocal about drafting Dak because I figured he'd go in the fourth and we could steal him in the 3rd.

The point is, if petty isn't ready developmentally, you could ruin his career. Something we have seen in the nfl, and it's not my logic, it's hall of fame coaches logic.

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Yeah I get, trust me I do but it's not like Fitz is even playing average football. He's playing below horrible to horrible football IMO and if Petty or Hack aren't ready to do that then we have real major issues IMO. I figure Petty should be ready to do at least what Fitz is doing but maybe he isn't. This has been a extremely long and sorta devastating year but then again, I didn't expect Fitz to produce what he did last year. I know it was a fluke so I shouldn't have been surprised I guess. Now we have to deal with 3-5 more of these below average to horrid performances from Fitz before they finally decide to bench him. Damn!!!

 

[rxd]

I never could understand most Jet fans. Do you honestly believe the Jets don't know what the have in Petty? Really? They gave him reps against our starting defense. Which in case you missed it, SUCKS. Worst in the NFL against the pass. If he looks "not ready" against our clown show defense, which he sees EVERY F-ing DAY, what do you expect him to do against a real NFL team?

Please guys, just say no to drugs. At least before posting....


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[mykcuz]

Yeah I get, trust me I do but it's not like Fitz is even playing average football. He's playing below horrible to horrible football IMO and if Petty or Hack aren't ready to do that then we have real major issues IMO. I figure Petty should be ready to do at least what Fitz is doing but maybe he isn't. This has been a extremely long and sorta devastating year but then again, I didn't expect Fitz to produce what he did last year. I know it was a fluke so I shouldn't have been surprised I guess. Now we have to deal with 3-5 more of these below average to horrid performances from Fitz before they finally decide to bench him. Damn!!!

I'm trusting the coach to make the switch at the right time. I think this is the hardest part for any fan base,waiting.

If the best thing for petty is practice reps fine, if he's ready for the field,fine. But Fitz can handle the abuse of an nfl defense, petty might not be ready for that yet.

If Fitz takes the punishment while petty grows and develops on the sideline, I'm ok with that. I don't want petty having a career ending hit in a lost season.

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[jetgreen13]

I'm trusting the coach to make the switch at the right time. I think this is the hardest part for any fan base,waiting.

If the best thing for petty is practice reps fine, if he's ready for the field,fine. But Fitz can handle the abuse of an nfl defense, petty might not be ready for that yet.

If Fitz takes the punishment while petty grows and develops on the sideline, I'm ok with that. I don't want petty having a career ending hit in a lost season.

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hell, i'm still more than a little concerned with the hit that injured his throwing shoulder in the preseason.....



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[jets82]

I never could understand most Jet fans. Do you honestly believe the Jets don't know what the have in Petty? Really? They gave him reps against our starting defense. Which in case you missed it, SUCKS. Worst in the NFL against the pass. If he looks "not ready" against our clown show defense, which he sees EVERY F-ing DAY, what do you expect him to do against a real NFL team?

Please guys, just say no to drugs. At least before posting....


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LOL, your funny in an idiot kind of way. Listen, lets not make this personally because trust me, I can have some real choose words for you as I'm sure you can have them for me. Point being here is we all have opinions and they will differ. Nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong when you become an ass with your opinions. Fitz is a garbage piece of @#$% IMO and if Petty or Hack can't give us at least what he's doing, then we have a real issue at QB.

This is my opinion and if that is a wrong then so be it but once again, if we were talking about an average QB at least like Jay Cutler or Sam Bradford for example, then I would be much more patient. Fitz is horrible and the fact that Petty or Hack isn't ready to at least be better or equal to him is very frustrating. Don't agree and that's fine, I could care less personally but the insults aren't necessary. This is supposed to be a civil site but if you want to make it into a personally bashing one, let me know and I have no problem obliging you.

 

[mykcuz]

LOL, your funny in an idiot kind of way. Listen, lets not make this personally because trust me, I can have some real choose words for you as I'm sure you can have them for me. Point being here is we all have opinions and they will differ. Nothing wrong with that but there is something wrong when you become an ass with your opinions. Fitz is a garbage piece of @#$% IMO and if Petty or Hack can't give us at least what he's doing, then we have a real issue at QB.

This is my opinion and if that is a wrong then so be it but once again, if we were talking about an average QB at least like Jay Cutler or Sam Bradford for example, then I would be much more patient. Fitz is horrible and the fact that Petty or Hack isn't ready to at least be better or equal to him is very frustrating. Don't agree and that's fine, I could care less personally but the insults aren't necessary. This is supposed to be a civil site but if you want to make it into a personally bashing one, let me know and I have no problem obliging you.

The deal since mac got here hasn't changed. Get a journey man to compete with geno, draft a couple QB's and see what develops. Last year that second thought journeyman, had the best season in Jets history. But, we are still in the same spot, journeyman qb holding the fort, seeing what we drafted. We got Marshall for nothing,and have no long term negative cap numbers.

Next year we could lose our 5 best paid players and not sweat.

Cut Revis, marshal, Fitz, Harris and we have minimal dead money while turning the corner from the old guard. Negotiate Revis as a safety, and Marshall gets a pay cut if he stays.

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