Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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I think it's tremendous for the Jets, honestly. You said it yourself. How rare is it that a QB with his numbers has so few options on the open market? Basically, the Jets are looking at landing a solid QB with good numbers at below market value.
LOLz i prefer it over the alternative.....
He went 5-1 down the stretch, when pretty much every game was meaningful after a 5-5 start.
This is a business. If he is insulted by a $6M offer, which is his true market value, too bad. The Jets should tell him to take it or leave it. And if he leaves it, fine. Go with Geno. Of course, it's already too late to offer him $6M, since the Jets already made the stupid move of offering him $12M. This move is disappointingly bad. Feel like we're back to the same old Jets.
Huh?
The Jets made an offer that for a QB, especially a QB with the numbers he put up, is way under market value.
If he has no other option, give him a veteran's minimum offer, take it or leave it. That's how this works, yes? And if the Jets offered a dime over that, they're the Same Ol' Jets.
same old jets to me would be getting rid of a QB that set franchise records for TDs and yards for a guy who had 2 of the worst statistical seasons in the league the years he was the starter.
in his career, geno has 27 TDs and 35 Ints and a 72 QB rating. last year, fitz had 31 and 15 and a 88 rating. the year before in houston, he was 17 TD, 8 Int and a 95 rating.
but yeah, let's go with the worse QB because you think $6 million is too much for a starting QB in the league. even though the average starting QB makes well over $10 million per year. at $12 million, fitz would be the 22nd or so highest paid QB.
bargain shopping gets you more Ints than TDs and the #29 rated QB in 2014 and #37 rated QB in 2013. i hate the term, but THAT seems like same old jets to me...
I think we can get some consistency at a decent price, with a team option year 3. If Fitz doesn't pan out its still within the marshal Decker Revis life cycle. Mac set us up to be competitive this season and next, then he can dump contracts and start over.
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you're contradicting yourself..
if the jets did indeed offer fitzpatrick 12 million (year one) that is his "true market value.." your believe fitzpatrick should be paid like a backup but asked to start has no bearing on this..
Fitz's market value was established by his testing of the FA market. What was the highest offer he had before the Jets made their nonsensical $12M offer? An offer of $6M is a 100% pay raise, more than generous. And I would have no problem with combining a $6M guaranteed offer with incentives that would bring it to $12M.
Can't really recall when the Jets underpaid a player. Overpaying, sure, they have done plenty of that. So overpaying is much more typical of the same old Jets than is playing hardball, which is really what they need to start doing if they don;t want to get into cap hell.
No contradiction at all. The market value you cite is at that level only due to the blundering latest offer the Jets themselves have made. And that's on top of the blunder of naming Fitz the starter while he was (is) a free agent.
Are we certain that $6 million was the highest offer he rec'd on the open market? I mean we were thinking that the Jets offer was in the $7 million range up until about a week ago, and come to find out it was $12 million all along for at least the first year. It's crazy arguing about something when we don't have all of the facts.
OK, let's say for argument sake fitzpatrick re-signs with the reported contract offer.. what would his "true market value" be year one of the deal??
Are we sure it was $12M all along? I had heard something closer to $7M, and I thought that the Jets had upped that to $12M to try to get him to sign.
It's true we don't know what the highest offer was from other teams. If it was for more than backup money, then whatever it was would be the true market value. But would other teams actually announce their offers to the Jets?
In the meantime, what we do know is that Fitz did not accept whatever any other teams wanted to pay him. I strongly suspect it was backup money though.
It would be the value of the deal. But as I said, it was the Jets themselves that stupidly offered that much. It's like seeing a fine house in a neighborhood where you would like to live that is significantly underpriced and you saying, "hey, this place is worth a lot more than that! I'm going to offer you a lot more!"
Why would the Jets do something like that?
well if you want to use the real estate analogy, one would think you would look at what other homes in the neighborhood go for. the best comparable for "other homes in the neighborhood" for an athlete would be what his peers make. and given that 22 or so QBs make $12 million or more (with a handful of the lower paid ones restricted by rookie contracts - call it affordable housing allotments), then offering $6 million for a neighborhood that averages well over $12 million seems to be a way to prevent a deal from getting done.
it's clear you don't think fitz should get more than $6 million. but the market pay for starting QBs is a lot more than that.
now maybe you prefer to pay less for a QB. but then you should be prepared for results more in line with what we saw in 2013 and 2014 from the jets QB position. i guess having the 30th or so ranked QB and having more Ints and TDs is worth it for you to go "cheap" on the position.
correct.. fitzpatrick's year one true market value would be 12 million..
why the jets apparently made this offer is irrelevant..
In a world in which the Jets had not made the $12M offer, his value might be established by what other starting QB's are making. In the real world, where he tested the market and got no takers, his value is established by the actual offers he has seen. Very doubtful any other team offered him more than backup money.
Staying with the real estate analogy, if zero sales are happening in a neighborhood, you don't set the market value based on a similar place in a different state. You base it on the offers that actually come in. If the Jets hadn't foolishly set the value by bidding against themselves, it would have been based on whatever other teams have offered. Now they're stuck with the $12M.
It is completely relevant. It is only the Jets themselves that set the value so high. Bidding against themselves. Same old Jets.