nope, i was referring to #887.. i'm saying at least you acknowledge there was a gap in time before decker & marshall "clarified" things.....
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Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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I don't hate the person, i hate the football player. The guy is a dud. Theres always an excuse for him. Now what is this sanity you speak of? Is it the usual 4 years in a row BS of how "good and sharp" he looks in the off season. How amazing his throws are in training camp? How coaches are impressed about his strong arm?
That isn't called sanity-more down the lines of insanity thinking this player will translate that play when the bullets shoot for real. He hasn't done it ever consistently. When the game is on the line he chokes, we all know that, but hell-i'am sure in his 5th season it'll click. smh.
It'll click alright, probably vs the Buffalo again, when there is absolutley nothing to play for. When players on the opposite end just want to start their respective vacations with their families. Having another last game of the season Geno'esque perfromance like he did in '13 & '14 that made so many fans delusional thinking that he's actually a starting caliber QB in this league.
Geno had his opportunity vs Oakland when Fitz went down. That was his game to retake his position so many stated he earned in training camp. He choked. He had better players around him than he did in '13 & '14. It's his kind of system with the spread. Oh yes, he did wat he typically does, squander it.
Nick Foles on the other hand, in '13 when then Philadelphia Eagle starter Mike Vick went down at Metlife stadium versus a meaningful game against the Giants, went in and lit it up and took full advantage of the task at hand.
I just find it funny how some fans look at Smith and think to themselves that he actually has a chance and forget that he is just another:
Eric Zeier
David Klingler
Browning Nagle
JaMarcus Russell
Ryan Leaf
..... All this none-sense that some of you are saying about Geno Smith is like stating that one of the aforementioned QB busts were any good in their NFL career.
Just stop it already. It's comical at this point. Thankfully this will be placed to bed once FItz returns and the pro Geno supporters can go back into oblivion for one more season just like in 2015. Where there wasn't a peep about replacing Ryan with Va'Geno.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick chasing kids at home; Jets chasing a ghost at work
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Rich Cimini
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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Ryan Fitzpatrick hasn't been around the New York Jets' facility in a few months, but he talks to his old teammates (and perhaps future teammates) on a fairly regular basis. On Tuesday, he and Brandon Marshall spoke by phone.
"He's doing good," Marshall told reporters Wednesday after practice. "Yesterday, one of his kids was stuck in a tree. We were FaceTiming and he said, "OK, I have to go get my kid, he's stuck in a tree.' He's funny. His beard is back, like literally all the way back."
It's a weird dynamic.
Fitzpatrick is the phantom quarterback, a free agent locked in a four-month contract stalemate with the Jets, but he's still a popular fellow at One Jets Drive. The Jets are basically keeping the light on for him, saying he will be the starter if/when he returns. They haven't given away his locker room stall, which is unusual. It's unoccupied real estate, a vacant stall sans nameplate.
It's almost as if the Jets are getting ready to sit down for dinner, and the chair at the head of the table is empty, waiting for the VIP to arrive. As Marshall spoke to a group of reporters, he glanced to Fitzpatrick's locker, perhaps subconsciously. It's tough to break old habits.
Eventually, the staring contest will end. Despite their differences at the bargaining table, I still believe Fitzpatrick will re-sign with the Jets. They need him and he needs them. Put it this way: He can buy a pretty awesome tree house for his kids with $15 million in guarantees.
Ryan Fitzpatrick remains unsigned, and Brandon Marshall said he talked to the former (and perhaps future) Jets quarterback this week. Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports
Jets coach Todd Bowles, who has said on multiple occasions that he can live without a resolution until training camp, was asked if there's a point when he will be concerned by Fitzpatrick's absence.
"I don't think you do," he said. "You worry about the team and the team chemistry and, like I said last week, it's like an injury.
"If he gets injured and he's out for the year, you don't grow concerned. You get the next guy ready to play and you go out and play football."
The next guy is Geno Smith, who finds himself in a difficult situation.
Relegated to an afterthought last season in the wake of the IK Enemkpali fiasco, Smith is trying to establish himself as a team leader, but it's hard to do that when you're a place holder. He's leading the first-team offense every day, but the gig will end as soon as Fitzpatrick walks through the door. No matter how they spin it, Smith is in an awkward position.
"I don't think it clips his wings or anybody else's," Bowles said. "You play football and you have the opportunity to play. You take advantage of opportunities. Whether you're first team, second team or third team, you have to do your job -- and he's been doing his job. He's been great mentally, and I'm happy with what he's doing."
Marshall said it's possible for a backup to be a team leader. He experienced that with the Chicago Bears in 2012 and 2013, with Josh McCown playing behind Jay Cutler.
"I always say quarterbacks are CEOs," Marshall said. "When I was in Chicago, Josh McCown was great at that. He really was our leader."
Marshall stopped abruptly, realizing his comment could be perceived as a veiled shot at Cutler, whom he has criticized in the past. Frankly, it didn't sound like a slip of the tongue, but he made his point.
"Josh McCown did a great job of galvanizing the group, but he was the No. 2 guy and guys respected that," Marshall said. "No matter where you are on the depth chart, you still want to get those reps and approach it the same."
Barring a stunning change in the Fitzpatrick talks, Smith will be the No. 1 when minicamp ends next week. Whether he opens training camp as the No. 1 is another story.
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7:31 PM ET
Rich Cimini
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FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- Ryan Fitzpatrick hasn't been around the New York Jets' facility in a few months, but he talks to his old teammates (and perhaps future teammates) on a fairly regular basis. On Tuesday, he and Brandon Marshall spoke by phone.
"He's doing good," Marshall told reporters Wednesday after practice. "Yesterday, one of his kids was stuck in a tree. We were FaceTiming and he said, "OK, I have to go get my kid, he's stuck in a tree.' He's funny. His beard is back, like literally all the way back."
It's a weird dynamic.
Fitzpatrick is the phantom quarterback, a free agent locked in a four-month contract stalemate with the Jets, but he's still a popular fellow at One Jets Drive. The Jets are basically keeping the light on for him, saying he will be the starter if/when he returns. They haven't given away his locker room stall, which is unusual. It's unoccupied real estate, a vacant stall sans nameplate.
It's almost as if the Jets are getting ready to sit down for dinner, and the chair at the head of the table is empty, waiting for the VIP to arrive. As Marshall spoke to a group of reporters, he glanced to Fitzpatrick's locker, perhaps subconsciously. It's tough to break old habits.
Eventually, the staring contest will end. Despite their differences at the bargaining table, I still believe Fitzpatrick will re-sign with the Jets. They need him and he needs them. Put it this way: He can buy a pretty awesome tree house for his kids with $15 million in guarantees.
Ryan Fitzpatrick remains unsigned, and Brandon Marshall said he talked to the former (and perhaps future) Jets quarterback this week. Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports
Jets coach Todd Bowles, who has said on multiple occasions that he can live without a resolution until training camp, was asked if there's a point when he will be concerned by Fitzpatrick's absence.
"I don't think you do," he said. "You worry about the team and the team chemistry and, like I said last week, it's like an injury.
"If he gets injured and he's out for the year, you don't grow concerned. You get the next guy ready to play and you go out and play football."
The next guy is Geno Smith, who finds himself in a difficult situation.
Relegated to an afterthought last season in the wake of the IK Enemkpali fiasco, Smith is trying to establish himself as a team leader, but it's hard to do that when you're a place holder. He's leading the first-team offense every day, but the gig will end as soon as Fitzpatrick walks through the door. No matter how they spin it, Smith is in an awkward position.
"I don't think it clips his wings or anybody else's," Bowles said. "You play football and you have the opportunity to play. You take advantage of opportunities. Whether you're first team, second team or third team, you have to do your job -- and he's been doing his job. He's been great mentally, and I'm happy with what he's doing."
Marshall said it's possible for a backup to be a team leader. He experienced that with the Chicago Bears in 2012 and 2013, with Josh McCown playing behind Jay Cutler.
"I always say quarterbacks are CEOs," Marshall said. "When I was in Chicago, Josh McCown was great at that. He really was our leader."
Marshall stopped abruptly, realizing his comment could be perceived as a veiled shot at Cutler, whom he has criticized in the past. Frankly, it didn't sound like a slip of the tongue, but he made his point.
"Josh McCown did a great job of galvanizing the group, but he was the No. 2 guy and guys respected that," Marshall said. "No matter where you are on the depth chart, you still want to get those reps and approach it the same."
Barring a stunning change in the Fitzpatrick talks, Smith will be the No. 1 when minicamp ends next week. Whether he opens training camp as the No. 1 is another story.
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Interesting how the Jets are waiting for Fitz, have his locker sitting and waiting. And yet, if they had so much confidence in geno, they aren't offering him an extension. If the Jets think geno will have a strong year, they will have to offer him a lot more at the end of the year or risk losing him in a bidding war.
The Jets aren't behaving like that worries them. They could sign geno to a team friendly extension and sign mo longterm and move on from Fitz. But I guess that doesn't matter because they didn't specifically give a quote to the press. Weird, they act one way with their checkbook, yet day geno is the starter and is having a great camp?
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The Jets aren't behaving like that worries them. They could sign geno to a team friendly extension and sign mo longterm and move on from Fitz. But I guess that doesn't matter because they didn't specifically give a quote to the press. Weird, they act one way with their checkbook, yet day geno is the starter and is having a great camp?
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No, you stop it already, and by it, I mean completely disrespecting an opinion that differs from yours. You are entitled to your opinion, but it is no more valid than anyone else's and you need to stop being so obnoxious about it. Some of us see Geno differently than you do - deal with it, and stop getting so hysterical that we would dare think that Geno might have improved given the chance to sit and learn for a year, and to play under Gailey.
And btw, the Oakland game - Geno came in off the bench and went 27/42 with 2 TDs and 1 int., and 34 rushing yards on two carries, in a game that the team in general was playing lousy, and the D in specific was torn to pieces by Carr and the Oakland offense. To present that as a "choke" performance by Geno is to expose yourself as a plain and simple hater.
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I really think it's as simple as they'd love to have Fitz back AT THEIR PRICE. I don't think they'll fold at the last second, which is why they're currently moving forward with what they have. There's no reason to extend Geno until they see if he's "officially" their guy (and shows enough to keep the title) . . .
My opinion is the Jets set a value, and took a risk based on what they thought the market for Fitz is, but they also don't want to enter the season with geno 1 and petty 2.
I think Fitz had nothing to lose by holding out. The offer is still there, he's declared the starter, his locker is reserved for him. He knows the coach and the system as well as Gailey, and he's been maintaining chemistry with the key offensive teammates.
Fitz just got a nice long vacation, and hey, maybe a starter goes down in camp and suddenly a playoff team is desperate enough to bid up his price. Worst case scenario, he takes the offer on the table.
But, if you really believe in geno today, as a legitimate asset, why let him play out his rookie contract? Right now, nobody wants him, the Jets would have all of the leverage on a guy a decade younger than Fitz. They could sign geno today for 5 years 15 million, with little to no guarantees. And lock up mo for 6 years, and get some stability at 2 positions.
The Jets aren't afraid of geno having a breakout year and demanding a lot of cash next year.
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Yikes, getting a little touchy with facts i provide huh, your not gonna like this one....
Geno could throw 3 interceptions in one quarter (vs the Bills in '13, but i'am sure you think it was the "Balls" fault) and you still think he could improve.
I respect every ones opinion, it's you who are calling me out with absolutley nothing to back it up. To understand your rebuttle correctly:
If i don't like how a player has performed, i'am labeled as a "Hater"? If thats the case, we're all (including you RBF) haters. Dee Milliner hasn't been on the field that much and every time he gets injured, we roll our eyes, does that make us a "hater"? When the Jets defense couldn't stop Tyrodd Taylor in the last game of the season, and we as fans were frustrated, does that tag us die hard fans as "Haters"?
You see, i would love for Geno Smith to prove me wrong, understand? I want him to succeed. But when you get fooled time and time again. Then have the same wasted arguments with fans regarding how well he's doing in "Camp", Ota's just to see him squander opportunity after opportunity, that my friend, becomes OBNOXIOUS.
As far as the Oakland game, here it is:
The first drive, Fitz marched them down the field with ease, utilizing his players. After getting hurt, Geno Stepped right in and did nothing. The stats your chatting about reflects nothing to what his actual performance on the game was. We could inflate numbers all we want, but you cannot dismis what your eyes see.
Look at the difference between the maturation of Derek Carr in his second year, in this game, talking with his team, his OC, the O-Line on the sidelines..vs a Third year player who is still in Clueless mode. #FACTS)
With 7:44 remaining in the game, the game was still very much in reach. Though this is what Geno is. He is what he is... Just an average QB who makes dumb decisions when it matters the most.
Then again at 4:49 Remaining in the game. Geno remains consistent to what he is as an NFL QB, or am i just "Hating" when i'm dishing out Facts?
If you'd like to hear what Rich Gannon stated late in the 4rth quarter regarding Geno, fast forward the video to 2:00:13 . Or is Rich Gannon also "Hating"?
Watch the game again and then lets discuss:
I will always respect every ones opinion here, it's a forum. I have my opinions about Geno as well, it wont ever be one sided. Deal with it or you can use an option to block me.... cause i aint going no where.
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There are statisticians and then there are the"eye test" folks.
Geno was statistically the worst qb in the league when he started, and he fails the eye test.
God forbid our season comes to him, I hope he proves us all wrong. But that doesn't mean I think he's anything more than potential that hasn't developed.
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I agree, though except for the last part with all due respect. I feel he is what he is. When the stage is too big, he just can't do it. He lets his ego get in the way. Flipping his middle finger at his own fans..missing team meetings because of time zones. Then the whole IK thing was the last straw for me. As a leader, he should have resolved that issue, but he's the arrogant type of NFL player that feels he's untouchable.
His game, with play makers or not is always the same. Over throws on simple plays. Great throws on plays that dont matter anymore. Once in a while you might see him peak, but then you get the erratic Geno. These are all facts that as you said, God forbid the season comes down to him.
I honestly hope it did click for him. Not for OTA's and training camp, but when the games matter for real. IMHO, as a fan thinking this, i'd rather see the development of Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg. I think that they do have it between the ears. Humble kids who are eager to demonstrate what they learned from the film room onto the field. These kids you can tell aren't about the off the field "sign me up with a Jay Z agent" football players. These young guns are worth watching and letting them go through the grind. Geno, has failed time and time again. I just can't see Bowles and Mac actually heading into the season with him at the helm.
Fitz wants to come back on a 1 year contract? OK Fitz take a 1 year offer for 4 mil....Naw just kidding! I think Jets will try Petty after they keep trying Geno & failing. Geno looks great in practice is all I hear from Jets Coaches & still doesn't matter in games he still looks like trash. Geno- Christian Hackenberg are wasted Draft picks.
Mikey Mac, did you borrow Idziks Draft dart board? Sure looks like you did! Next time take Idziks college names off the dart board before throwing, this might help. https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP...77a4deo0&w=299&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0&r=0
ReallyBigfan, for the record, I'm right there with ya.
But please understand this. It doesn't matter what star players on this team say. It doesn't matter what Chan Gailey says. Those who have exited off highway hate are not going to flip a U-turn at any point in time to re-evaluate any possibility that Geno Smith just might turn things around. They've been barking for over a year now. There's no going back now.
That would mean having to admit they were wrong. And we all know how humbling that is. It ain't about rooting for the Jets under any QB. It's about being proven right. Even if we're 4-12. At least they were right.
You couldn't be more off base. And the fact that you are accusing rational people who have no confidence in geno, of being hateful, is sick. We are people, we have opinions. Geno has shown nothing except negatives. You see a guy shine 20%of the time and assume that's the real him. I see a guy who had achieved nothing except in garbage time, and is a cry baby.
Is it possible geno matured YES! Is it likely that he is going to be a top 20qb this year NO! not because I hate him, but because it isn't likely. And if you believe he will shock us this year, you are assuming he's going to suddenly perform based on zero evidence.
I hope he becomes Joe Namath and wins 4 super bowls as a jet, but what in the world would lead me to believe that's likely??? Because every year the team says he's having a great camp?
How many times does a guy need to piss on your head before you realize it's not rain?
Geno is in the final year of his deal, the Jets have announced a fa as their starter. The Jets haven't offered geno an extension. The Jets have 3 mill in cap space and haven't been able to lock up mo yet, and are offering Fitz 12 mill this year, 24 total, to be the starter. That doesn't shout confidence in any way about what they see in geno. It also happens to match the back of geno's card. We know who he is, if he changes, it will be that, a change.
But your confidence in geno is not based in reality, it's an assumption. And to accuse people who don't blindly believe the way you do of being hateful is not ok. I am a jet fan, I will route for my qb,whoever that is, but that doesn't mean that I have to blindly believe any qb wearing a Jets Jersey is destined for greatness.
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Geno has lost the trust and confidence of the fanbase and I don't think he can overcome it. When he makes a poor play it just sucks the energy out of the building and players. I just can't wait for Fitz to be back, he is a beast inside the 20, and I think he comes back better.
I think if geno is 100%committed, he can be a stand in qb. But where I think he will continue to have trouble is when he faces a savvy defense that knows how to trick him. That's when he has the qbr of 0 games, and otas don't cure that.
Rex Ryan had always owned Fitz, something we need to overcome. But I think overall, because Fitz knows the system so well, and has had in game experience seeing how defenses play and disguise against a Gailey offense, that he has a clear advantage. His quick release is also increasingly important, the ability to make the best choice and get the ball away in 2 seconds is invaluable.
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Geno's commitment aside, can he get it done inside the 20 from the pocket? This is where Fitz excels, and as you pointed out his quick release and ability to make the best choice, it's what I think Geno lacks. With this talent I believe Geno can move the ball but not sure if he can throw Td's inside the redzone the way Fitz did last season.
Good question, unfortunately some things can only improve with real game experience. Fitz had a quick killer instinct wroth big receivers in the end zone. Also arm strength isn't as necessary in the red zone, touch, and avoiding flailing arms are.
I think it will be tough for opponents to defend us. Marshall, Decker, enunwa, Amaro in the end zone, and Forte? You need 5 good pass defenders, and a line that can pressure the qb without help.
This is where I think Fitz had the most distance from geno. If the d sends lb help to blitz, Fitz can read and hit the void, usually geno doesn't perform well under blitz in this scenario. Geno checks down 4 receivers and runs into a tackle.
That can change, but as of where we stand now, that's how the guys have reacted in the past.
Another thing to remember, when ivory was actually in the game and playing, or o was pretty damn good. It was when he was on the sideline that things sputtered. Less long drives, but when we actually got to the red zone, I think we were the best in the league.
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