Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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C'mon Hobson, you're better than making such specious comparisons. You are comparing the rookie and sophomore seasons of a guy coming from a spread offense in college and coming to a talent-poor offense with a mediocre at best OC, to a guy in what, his 13th season in the NFL, in an offense with which he has already had success, with a great OC and two of the best WRs in the league? Wow, shocking that Geno comes out looking worse in that comparison! But there is much reason to think that the Geno of today could be far better now, having had last season to sit and learn, and having Gailey as his OC and an offense with real weapons.
You're twisting words to suit your purpose, I could say the same exact thing in reference to your post.
Again what are they supposed to say to the public? I've never heard players bashing another player even when they suck, so I ask you "what should we expect from them"?
Life will be very special once Geno gets released or traded for Nick Foles in the coming weeks. There has been speculation this past week as Macagnan has some sort of interest in Foles. I'd rather have Foles backing up Fitzpatrick.
And of course there will be some Jets fans that would be completely against the mere fact of Foles and some would actually be crazy enough to state that Geno is better than Nick.
Foles is one of those players that can actually utilize his weapons, something he lacked in St.Louis. Though he played very good for the Eagles. THEN WHY DID THEY TRADE HIM? (some might say)- Well, Chip Kelly decimated that whole squad from super star to super star from DeSean Jackson to Shady McCoy.
FOles had success in this league before and i'am more than sure he can have it here with Marshall, Decker and Forte'.
I'am glad that this Geno debate will come to an end very very soon. With the acquisition of Foles or without. When Fitzpatrick re-signs, there is no way in hell that Macagnan chooses Geno over the two players he drafted and is currently developing. It would just look horrible. ESPECIALLY that he continues to state that the lifeline of this franchise is through the draft, not by keeping someone elses garbage.
And of course there will be some Jets fans that would be completely against the mere fact of Foles and some would actually be crazy enough to state that Geno is better than Nick.
Foles is one of those players that can actually utilize his weapons, something he lacked in St.Louis. Though he played very good for the Eagles. THEN WHY DID THEY TRADE HIM? (some might say)- Well, Chip Kelly decimated that whole squad from super star to super star from DeSean Jackson to Shady McCoy.
FOles had success in this league before and i'am more than sure he can have it here with Marshall, Decker and Forte'.
I'am glad that this Geno debate will come to an end very very soon. With the acquisition of Foles or without. When Fitzpatrick re-signs, there is no way in hell that Macagnan chooses Geno over the two players he drafted and is currently developing. It would just look horrible. ESPECIALLY that he continues to state that the lifeline of this franchise is through the draft, not by keeping someone elses garbage.
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Foles doesn't interest me at all.
If you read my post, you'd see that what I was referring to was that it's common for players to refrain from bashing their teammates publicly. If players are avoiding questions concerning Geno, or saying "I'm not gonna comment on that", then I see trouble due to the fact that they're not defending him.
But that's not happening. Gailey, Marshall, and Decker all said very positive things about Geno. If they're lying, that's a pretty deceptive tactic to use in disguising their dislike for him.
I agree. I would rather have Geno who has played in and learned this offense for over a year. Folks had one great season and fell off the cliff. He didn't slide down the mountain, he fell off the cliff. I think the Jets sign Fitz, keep Geno for one more year and cut Petty.
Hmm, i never heard Foles get knocked the "f" out by his own teammate? I never heard Foles flip his left middle finger at his own fans. I never heard Foles miss a team meeting out west because of a confusion in time. I never heard Foles yelling obscenities to his own fans here in new york (as in week 4 vs the Lions, when games actually mattered).
Yeah, i'am pretty damn fair in my assessment with a bum like Geno Smith who lacks the respect of his own teammates, with or without all stars.
Come on man, how many chances and excuses can we give Geno Smith? Some act as if this guy is some sort of hidden Brett Favre'ish Gem. Let it go folks, the guy is absolute trash. The organization knows it as well or they would not have selected two young guns to groom. Bryce Petty or Christian Hackenberg will not get cut in favor of a hold over in Geno Smith. No chance once Ryan Fitzpatrick re-signs or the Jets trade for a QB such as Nick Foles who wants out of St.Louis, in which the Jets will have some interest as he would automatically jump to the top of the list of free-agent quarterbacks. (http://www.inquisitr.com/3170927/nf...ryan-fitzpatrick-if-qb-continues-to-hold-out/)
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I don't really blame him. There are some truly moronic Jet fans!!
Emotions run high. Though as a professional, you dont do that. Especially when the season is 4 games in. You showcase your demeanor in times of distress and prove the fans wrong by your play..not body language insulting your fan base. By degrading your own fans, now you have a bigger crowd against you, even those that actually supported him in year 2. Geno Smith has proven time and time again that being a professional isn't part of his repertoire.
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For the most part I agree with you. I just don't think Foles is an upgrade and I think Jets are interested in him as a backup plan for Fitz.
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I wasn't making any excuses for anyone, just critical of you for giving Foles a pass for his poor performance and criticizing Smith who had the same lack of surrounding talent. Your hatred for Smith obviously clouds your ability to see that. I'm not saying Smith is anything more than what his performance has been, and that has been poor. It is you who seems to think that any time someone injects some sanity into the "hate Geno" conversation that they are a Geno apologist.
Actions speak louder than words. Thats pretty much true anywhere, but in pro sports, where they look straight into the camera and say the exact opposite of what they think or will do, without a care, and often knowing the truth will be exposed in hours or days, words mean nothing - one way or the other - compared to actions. Staying away from OTAs said it all.
Gee, if only they somehow knew your secret, that saying those things would be taken as a sign that they don't support Geno... Yeah, there are some real dummies in the league that do those sort of things and then get called on it by their coaches, front office, etc., but they're not all that dumb and transparent - or at least they're smart enough to take the advice of the pros advising them on how to handle the media.
you would think that using two guys that boycotted the first two OTAs wouldn't be the best guys to use while attempting to bolster one's argument..
yeah, "no comment" certainly wouldn't let us now how a teammate feels about smith when asked about him.....
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You would think that an intellectually honest person would stop spouting the lie about Decker and Marshall boycotting OTAs in solidarity with Fitzpatrick now that both of them have explicitly stated that those rumors were 100% false and that their absences had zero to do with that. Or do you only read stories that support your narrative?
In fact, here, I'll help you out so you can see exactly what Decker and Marshall had to say about Geno.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/footb...hall-clear-the-air-with-geno-smith-1.11866417
HIGHLIGHTS
Receivers want Ryan Fitzpatrick to return, but they also have Smith’s back
Geno Smith shows growth during OTA
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Eric Decker said he didn’t need to talk to Geno Smith, but the Jets receiver did anyway. In the aftermath of missing three voluntary practices last week, Decker was forced to explain his whereabouts and where his allegiances lie.
The report that claimed he skipped the first week of OTAs as a sign of solidarity to unsigned quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick quickly spawned a full-on spectacle — one that thrust the Fitzpatrick standoff back into the spotlight and threatened to fracture relationships within the Jets locker room.
But after dismissing the report on Wednesday, Decker assured reporters that, even though he wants Fitzpatrick to return, he supports Smith, too.
“I think Geno understands that’s what it wasn’t about,” he said, referring to the narrative that he tried to “send a message” to ownership by no-showing. “He knows how I feel about him and the progress that he was making last year . . . I mean, the guy’s a player, he can play.
“That’s not something that I have to speak upon with him. We have our relationship, we know where each other stand and we’re men and we handle it in the locker room.”
Fellow receiver Brandon Marshall, who also was absent last week, insisted his bond with Smith is the same, despite his desire to have Fitzpatrick back.
“My relationship, just because he wasn’t the starter last year, hasn’t changed with Geno,” said Marshall, who was Smith’s roommate last offseason. “It’s the same exact relationship, if not even better.”
The veteran receiver said he saw subtle signs of growth in the young quarterback during Wednesday’s practice, noting that Smith showed a level of “comfort and confidence” going through hand signals in their two-minute drill.
“There was a sense of poise, comfort, and it was pretty good to watch him kind of manage the situation,” said Marshall, who has been a staunch Smith supporter since he arrived via trade in March 2015. “That’s the process for all players. You’ve got to give guys time. Every guy is different. He seems to be growing, and that’s a good thing for all of us. He’s doing a great job. I’m just happy for the kid. I’m proud of him.
“ . . . I was really excited not only for us, but also him, because he’s been through a lot,” Marshall said of Smith, who underwent surgery and lost his starting job after his jaw was broken in a locker room altercation with then-teammate Ikemefuna Enemkpali on Aug. 11. “Some of it he did to himself. But that’s part of the process, man. You just go through things, and whether good or bad, it’s all part of growth.”
Jets coach Todd Bowles has also seen a change in Smith, who, despite throwing an interception to Buster Skrine, had an otherwise good day on the field.
“Having learned the system and having a year under his belt, you see more growth that way,” Bowles said. “Obviously it is still early in the stages, but right now you see the growth that way. From maturity of commanding the huddle and understanding where to go with the ball quicker.”
Fitzpatrick’s absence has also provided Smith with an opportunity to get more practice reps with the first-team offense.
“Right now we’re five days into OTAs. From a mental standpoint he’s getting a lot of reps and he’s getting to see things a lot clearer,” Bowles said. “Like I said, being in the system a year, I think it helps him from that standpoint. We’re not at the August standpoint where we can say that that opportunity has taken place yet. So it’s still early in the stage, but he is getting major reps.”
http://www.newsday.com/sports/footb...hall-clear-the-air-with-geno-smith-1.11866417
HIGHLIGHTS
Receivers want Ryan Fitzpatrick to return, but they also have Smith’s back
Geno Smith shows growth during OTA
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. — Eric Decker said he didn’t need to talk to Geno Smith, but the Jets receiver did anyway. In the aftermath of missing three voluntary practices last week, Decker was forced to explain his whereabouts and where his allegiances lie.
The report that claimed he skipped the first week of OTAs as a sign of solidarity to unsigned quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick quickly spawned a full-on spectacle — one that thrust the Fitzpatrick standoff back into the spotlight and threatened to fracture relationships within the Jets locker room.
But after dismissing the report on Wednesday, Decker assured reporters that, even though he wants Fitzpatrick to return, he supports Smith, too.
“I think Geno understands that’s what it wasn’t about,” he said, referring to the narrative that he tried to “send a message” to ownership by no-showing. “He knows how I feel about him and the progress that he was making last year . . . I mean, the guy’s a player, he can play.
“That’s not something that I have to speak upon with him. We have our relationship, we know where each other stand and we’re men and we handle it in the locker room.”
Fellow receiver Brandon Marshall, who also was absent last week, insisted his bond with Smith is the same, despite his desire to have Fitzpatrick back.
“My relationship, just because he wasn’t the starter last year, hasn’t changed with Geno,” said Marshall, who was Smith’s roommate last offseason. “It’s the same exact relationship, if not even better.”
The veteran receiver said he saw subtle signs of growth in the young quarterback during Wednesday’s practice, noting that Smith showed a level of “comfort and confidence” going through hand signals in their two-minute drill.
“There was a sense of poise, comfort, and it was pretty good to watch him kind of manage the situation,” said Marshall, who has been a staunch Smith supporter since he arrived via trade in March 2015. “That’s the process for all players. You’ve got to give guys time. Every guy is different. He seems to be growing, and that’s a good thing for all of us. He’s doing a great job. I’m just happy for the kid. I’m proud of him.
“ . . . I was really excited not only for us, but also him, because he’s been through a lot,” Marshall said of Smith, who underwent surgery and lost his starting job after his jaw was broken in a locker room altercation with then-teammate Ikemefuna Enemkpali on Aug. 11. “Some of it he did to himself. But that’s part of the process, man. You just go through things, and whether good or bad, it’s all part of growth.”
Jets coach Todd Bowles has also seen a change in Smith, who, despite throwing an interception to Buster Skrine, had an otherwise good day on the field.
“Having learned the system and having a year under his belt, you see more growth that way,” Bowles said. “Obviously it is still early in the stages, but right now you see the growth that way. From maturity of commanding the huddle and understanding where to go with the ball quicker.”
Fitzpatrick’s absence has also provided Smith with an opportunity to get more practice reps with the first-team offense.
“Right now we’re five days into OTAs. From a mental standpoint he’s getting a lot of reps and he’s getting to see things a lot clearer,” Bowles said. “Like I said, being in the system a year, I think it helps him from that standpoint. We’re not at the August standpoint where we can say that that opportunity has taken place yet. So it’s still early in the stage, but he is getting major reps.”
yeah, no way decker & marshall are now toeing the company line after making their feelings known to management..
because as we all know, people never say things they absolutely don't mean in interviews..
i will give you this, it is speculation on my part decker & marshall are being disingenuous about why they missed the first OTAs..
much like you are speculating they are telling the truth & not public damage control mandated from management..
ask yourself this, which scenario seems more likely based on the situation??
I'm speculating that they are telling the truth? That has to be one of the most bizarre comments I have ever seen. Because you refuse to veer from your "all the players hate Geno" narrative, you've created this fiction that any player will just out-and-out lie to "toe the party line." I think that personal integrity is important to most people, Decker and Marshall included. As was pointed out above, there are times that players will give a vague and ambiguous response, or even a "no comment" if they don't want to say what they really think. That's what they would do if mandated by management as you suggest. But to out-and-out lie, and in explicit detail? No, I don't think most players would be do that. And there is nothing vague or ambiguous in what they said regarding Geno. So, maybe you should stop casting aspersions on their integrity just to hold on to the narrative to which you've become so attached.