Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[mykcuz]

I just don't want mediocrity for 5 years and at this point Geno sucks and Fitz had the best year his skills are capable of. I hope he proves me wrong, but all I know is the stat that matters and he has won zero playoff games and he has played in the exact same amount. He has had one winning season. Those are the stats that matter to me. The only thing that gives me a sliver of hope is he has chemistry with these guys which is why I want to see him for one more year at most.


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You're looking at team stats. He's not Brady who can will crap talent to 12 wins and a super bowl, no one is saying he can carry the team. But you're acting as there's a good second option.

My point is not to plan on him for 5 years, it's that worst case scenario, we have a guy that can be above average if the kids fall on their faces. As opposed to Fitz for one year and then Elvis grbrac for 4.

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[soj]

You got it. I will shut up now lol

JD (good reads) and 16 (right on) both are correct IMHO about Geno... I lost faith in him years ago and to someone's post (I can not remember who stated this) if they were so enamored with Geno and his "potential to get it, get better, etc.," why select two young QBs who are both projects but have as much "potential" or more for that matter than Geno. Just saying...

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

JD (good reads) and 16 (right on) both are correct IMHO about Geno... I lost faith in him years ago and to someone's post (I can not remember who stated this) if they were so enamored with Geno and his "potential to get it, get better, etc.," why select two young QBs who are both projects but have as much "potential" or more for that matter than Geno. Just saying...

Well, whether any of us like it or not, Geno's at the top of the depth chart unless Fitzpatrick returns. He's more prepared to start right now than either Petty or Hackenberg.

Just sayin'.

 

[BigDan]

Well, whether any of us like it or not, Geno's at the top of the depth chart unless Fitzpatrick returns. He's more prepared to start right now than either Petty or Hackenberg.

Just sayin'.

God help us...

 

[butterscotch]

In Geno we trust...trust me I am buying more booze for this year

 

[ReallyBigfan]

JD (good reads) and 16 (right on) both are correct IMHO about Geno... I lost faith in him years ago and to someone's post (I can not remember who stated this) if they were so enamored with Geno and his "potential to get it, get better, etc.," why select two young QBs who are both projects but have as much "potential" or more for that matter than Geno. Just saying...

Come on, if you've been paying attention at all, you have to know the answer to that question. Mac has already cited many times the Ron Wolf philosophy on developing QBs: draft one every year. So regardless of what they think of Geno's potential, they would have drafted a QB in each draft - as they did.

 

[mykcuz]

Come on, if you've been paying attention at all, you have to know the answer to that question. Mac has already cited many times the Ron Wolf philosophy on developing QBs: draft one every year. So regardless of what they think of Geno's potential, they would have drafted a QB in each draft - as they did.

Yes, but hack was not bpa in 2nd round. Petty was a 4th rounder.
We passed up a potential impactfull player in the 2nd round. That's a significant investment.

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[ReallyBigfan]

Yes, but hack was not bpa in 2nd round. Petty was a 4th rounder.
We passed up a potential impactfull player in the 2nd round. That's a significant investment.

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I think Mac made it crystal clear that the Jets did indeed see Hack as the BPA at that pick. And anyway, that is the beauty of Wolf's QB philosophy - it doesn't have to be in any particular round, just at some point in the draft grab a QB in whom you see talent that you might be able to develop. So Petty in round 4? Perfect opportunity to take a developmental QB that you like.

 

[mykcuz]

I think Mac made it crystal clear that the Jets did indeed see Hack as the BPA at that pick. And anyway, that is the beauty of Wolf's QB philosophy - it doesn't have to be in any particular round, just at some point in the draft grab a QB in whom you see talent that you might be able to develop. So Petty in round 4? Perfect opportunity to take a developmental QB that you like.

What makes any player"best"? We could argue endlessly. Not one team had hack ranked anywhere near the 2nd round.

Leonard was ranked 1 by most, we got him at 6, Lee was ranked around 14th, we got him. Hack was a mid 4th rounder. Mac wanted him plain and simple. But that's not the point I made is it? Can we both agree that hack in the 2nd round is a significant investment?

Could we then agree that the Jets are very shallow in depth talent, and an aging team?

So therfore, drafting a projected 4th round qb in the 2nd round, instead of a linemen or linebacker etc, is a substantial gamble for a guy who is fourth on the depth chart.

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[jetgreen13]

What makes any player"best"? We could argue endlessly. Not one team had hack ranked anywhere near the 2nd round.

Leonard was ranked 1 by most, we got him at 6, Lee was ranked around 14th, we got him. Hack was a mid 4th rounder. Mac wanted him plain and simple. But that's not the point I made is it? Can we both agree that hack in the 2nd round is a significant investment?

Could we then agree that the Jets are very shallow in depth talent, and an aging team?

So therfore, drafting a projected 4th round qb in the 2nd round, instead of a linemen or linebacker etc, is a substantial gamble for a guy who is fourth on the depth chart.

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LOLz for mac's sake he better hit on a QB soon or hope like crazy the "BPA" doesn't continue to be mid to high draft picks..

what's wolf's philosophy on finding a new GM gig??

 

[soj]

Come on, if you've been paying attention at all, you have to know the answer to that question. Mac has already cited many times the Ron Wolf philosophy on developing QBs: draft one every year. So regardless of what they think of Geno's potential, they would have drafted a QB in each draft - as they did.

have been paying attention and my point was about geno not so much the taking of two project QBs, I am all in for that philosophy and hope we hit pay dirt.

 

[mykcuz]

have been paying attention and my point was about geno not so much the taking of two project QBs, I am all in for that philosophy and hope we hit pay dirt.

I think you need to reread the comment I responded to. It wasn't your comment.

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[ReallyBigfan]

What makes any player"best"? We could argue endlessly. Not one team had hack ranked anywhere near the 2nd round.

Leonard was ranked 1 by most, we got him at 6, Lee was ranked around 14th, we got him. Hack was a mid 4th rounder. Mac wanted him plain and simple. But that's not the point I made is it? Can we both agree that hack in the 2nd round is a significant investment?

Could we then agree that the Jets are very shallow in depth talent, and an aging team?

So therfore, drafting a projected 4th round qb in the 2nd round, instead of a linemen or linebacker etc, is a substantial gamble for a guy who is fourth on the depth chart.

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Lol. Like you were privy to teams' draft boards that you can make the claim that no one had him rated as a second rounder? Obviously the Jets did, and it stands to reason that other talent evaluators similarly recognized him as a prodigious talent that had been screwed up by horrible coaching after his freshman year. Considering that after his freshman year he was thought of as a potential future number one overall pick, I'd think it highly likely that someone else would have been willing to take a chance on him in the second round.

 

[mykcuz]

Lol. Like you were privy to teams' draft boards that you can make the claim that no one had him rated as a second rounder? Obviously the Jets did, and it stands to reason that other talent evaluators similarly recognized him as a prodigious talent that had been screwed up by horrible coaching after his freshman year. Considering that after his freshman year he was thought of as a potential future number one overall pick, I'd think it highly likely that someone else would have been willing to take a chance on him in the second round.

Just like when Denver drafted Tebow in the first round.

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[ReallyBigfan]

Just like when Denver drafted Tebow in the first round.

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Nice job of avoiding answering my point, that you present as fact something that is really just your conjecture. And here is a clip from a pre-draft MMQB article on Hack:

Said the NFL head coach: “Everybody thinks he struggled the last two years, and he has. I can see him being evaluated down a little bit, because he hasn’t progressed. But is the talent there? Yes it is. He needs to focus on his fundamentals and getting his confidence back, because he’s not playing with the confidence he did as a younger player.”
Said the senior personnel executive: “If you draft him in the second round or higher, it’s because he’s 6-4, has a good arm, has upside, and you know he can learn. But of course there’s a concern, because you always want to see it on tape first.”

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/07/christian-hackenberg-penn-state-nfl-draft

 

[ReallyBigfan]

In other words, it is clear that there were teams considering drafting him in the first two rounds.

 

[hobson54]

What makes any player"best"? We could argue endlessly. Not one team had hack ranked anywhere near the 2nd round.

Leonard was ranked 1 by most, we got him at 6, Lee was ranked around 14th, we got him. Hack was a mid 4th rounder. Mac wanted him plain and simple. But that's not the point I made is it? Can we both agree that hack in the 2nd round is a significant investment?

Could we then agree that the Jets are very shallow in depth talent, and an aging team?

So therfore, drafting a projected 4th round qb in the 2nd round, instead of a linemen or linebacker etc, is a substantial gamble for a guy who is fourth on the depth chart.

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curious how you know where teams ranked him?

fwiw - both kiper and mcshay had him ranked as a 2nd rounder. and i've previously posted a number of draft websites that had him expected to go in the 2nd round.

so YOU may not think he was a 2nd rounder, but that doesn't mean that not one team ranked him there, nor that he was a 4th round prospect as you proclaim.

let's not pretend that you know more than professional scouts, nor know what each nfl team was thinking about the player.

 

[hobson54]

from my post in the hackenberg draft thread:


in any event, not sure which "experts" you are going by, but many had him in the range of being a 2nd round pick

kiper had him at #58 in his final big board
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/in...-kiper-final-big-board-top-300-prospects-2016

mcshay had him at #49
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/49989

nfl.com's draft profile said round 2 or 3
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/christian-hackenberg?id=2555416

cbs sports said round 2 or 3
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2079275/christian-hackenberg

walter football said round 1-3, and likely to go in round 2 (if not late 1)
http://walterfootball.com/draft2016QB.php


now obviously there were others who hated him, including PFF which said he didn't have a draftable grade. but someone who many experts expected to go somewhere in rounds 2 or 3 being drafted towards the end of round 2 isn't really a reach.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

What makes any player"best"? We could argue endlessly. Not one team had hack ranked anywhere near the 2nd round.

Leonard was ranked 1 by most, we got him at 6, Lee was ranked around 14th, we got him. Hack was a mid 4th rounder. Mac wanted him plain and simple. But that's not the point I made is it? Can we both agree that hack in the 2nd round is a significant investment?

Could we then agree that the Jets are very shallow in depth talent, and an aging team?

So therfore, drafting a projected 4th round qb in the 2nd round, instead of a linemen or linebacker etc, is a substantial gamble for a guy who is fourth on the depth chart.

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Seriously doubt if you know that is true.

 

[SackExchange]

It seems like such a shock here when facts are brought into a discussion.