Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[gmf1369]

I already stated that Revis will need to get restructured. After looking at the other QB contracts, Fitz should get in the 12-13 range. But it would have to be backloaded a bit.

Revis won't get restructured because of one simple fact the team doesn't want to give him any more guaranteed money past 2017 and any restructure would do that... Basically right now the team after the 2017 season could ultimately walk away from Revis even tho he is under contract for two more seasons (without dead loss)...

 

[butterscotch]

I already stated that Revis will need to get restructured. After looking at the other QB contracts, Fitz should get in the 12-13 range. But it would have to be backloaded a bit.

I am not a fitz fan but I do feel he gives us the best chance to win this year followed by Geno. But again, I am looking towards the future......We need to get this OL fixed for any QB

 

[soj]

I already stated that Revis will need to get restructured. After looking at the other QB contracts, Fitz should get in the 12-13 range. But it would have to be backloaded a bit.

he is simply not worth 12-13, his value is 7-8 which was reported to be the offer. If he was he be gone... NO ONE wants him except us... he is and always will be mediocre. I like him but he is not worth that range IMHO.

 

[skop]

I think it's funny how Jaws says what he did about Fitz. Don't you get guys like BM & ED so you don't have to be perfect, to get grabs for a QB that you wouldn't get without him?

It would be really sad if they didn't re-sign a guy who instrumental in a handful of Jet records. Personally, I think they should give him a one year deal for 8.5 guaranteed. if he exceeds the numbers he posted last year, then be able to re-sign him with a club option for 2017 at 12mill, then if he supersedes 2017's numbers re-sign him for a club option of 13 million.

everything is guaranteed as long as the production is there, and if it isn't they can part ways...that's 33.5 for 3 years with a cap hit only one year at a time.

hobs, you're the cap guru...does that work?

 

[hobson54]

I think it's funny how Jaws says what he did about Fitz. Don't you get guys like BM & ED so you don't have to be perfect, to get grabs for a QB that you wouldn't get without him?

It would be really sad if they didn't re-sign a guy who instrumental in a handful of Jet records. Personally, I think they should give him a one year deal for 8.5 guaranteed. if he exceeds the numbers he posted last year, then be able to re-sign him with a club option for 2017 at 12mill, then if he supersedes 2017's numbers re-sign him for a club option of 13 million.

everything is guaranteed as long as the production is there, and if it isn't they can part ways...that's 33.5 for 3 years with a cap hit only one year at a time.

hobs, you're the cap guru...does that work?

hey skop. nice to see you.

no, right now, they don't even have the cap space to give him a 1-year, $8.5MM deal. obviously they can cut and/or restructure others to get cap space.

i do not think contracts can be structured so that future amounts are guaranteed based on hitting certain statistical levels. and i doubt fitz would take such a deal.

 

[skop]

hey skop. nice to see you.

no, right now, they don't even have the cap space to give him a 1-year, $8.5MM deal. obviously they can cut and/or restructure others to get cap space.

i do not think contracts can be structured so that future amounts are guaranteed based on hitting certain statistical levels. and i doubt fitz would take such a deal.

Nice to be back! I just think that between Petty & Hack, a veteran who has to play the game from the neck up is needed; but that isn't to say that Fitz has the added intangible of leadership & sticking his nose in where other QBs wouldn't...that'll be something that is ingested by the youngsters too.

Obviously, they need to re-structure to sign him. I was more or less fishing for a way to keep him in the fold for as long as possible if both sides benefit. Stats aside, why couldn't they have a club option for the remainder of a 3 year deal? if they could, why couldn't the options picked up be guaranteed?

 

[flgreen]

hey skop. nice to see you.

no, right now, they don't even have the cap space to give him a 1-year, $8.5MM deal. obviously they can cut and/or restructure others to get cap space.

i do not think contracts can be structured so that future amounts are guaranteed based on hitting certain statistical levels. and i doubt fitz would take such a deal.

Incentives can be put in contracts to defer money to a future year.

Incentives fall in 2 categories. Easily attainable, and not easily attainable. The easily attainable are judged by if the player achieved it last year. If he did the bonus would count against this years cap. Example: if the contract states Fitz gets 2 extra million for throwing 30 TD's, it would go on this years cap. he did it last year. If the contract reads, Fitz gets an extra 2 million if theJets make the playoffs, and they did, it would go on next years cap, they didn't make the playoffs last year.

IMO that is how this is going to be resolved. When the news first breaks every one is going to gasp at how much they seem to have paid Fitz, when the details come out it will be a 2 year, 18M. All the big numbers for year 3 and 4 will not be paid unless he wins a super Bowl or something.

Fitz's one card to play here is he knows the team does not want to start smith, and thinks they will pay a few M more then he is actually worth to avoid smith being under center on opening day.

As Macc would say, "at the end of the day" it will probably work. The real question isn't the 16-18 million Fitz is reportedly asking for, but how much guaranteed money there is in 2 years.

 

[mykcuz]

Deal gets done. Cap space doesn't matter, the Jets already offered just south of 10 mill which is still on the table today, despite having 3 mill in space. So making space isn't an obstacle.
Cimini reported long ago that offer was north of the 7 mill being reported.
Jets also don't want this to become standard negotiating procedure worth future players. They want to come out of this looking like holding out doesn't get you what you want.

The Jets have called Fitz their starter the whole time which is unique.

If Fitz wanted to start he had two options, NY or Denver. He turned down 5 mill and the chance to lead Denver back to the super bowl. That's huge.

I think Fitz is committed to the Jets. Having a historic year makes him think he's worth Bradford money. And technically, he is worth more than Bradford, Philly just way over paid.

In the end there's no rush to sign, and Fitz will holdout for the best possible contract.

If Fitz signed 3 months ago, he'd be sitting home today, if he didn't he'd be sitting home today. So why sign early for less than you want?

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[Old#15]

Good article in ledger today:
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/05/bart_scott_jets_ryan_fitzpatrick.html#incart_river_index

 

[OCCH]

Good article in ledger today:
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/05/bart_scott_jets_ryan_fitzpatrick.html#incart_river_index

Just because you "can't cash in twice" doesn't mean you can't try!

If Fitz is serious about retiring, then I don't blame him for holding his ground. But if he thinks the Jets will "blink first", then I hope he never ends up leaving his couch . . .

 

[jetgreen13]

Just because you "can't cash in twice" doesn't mean you can't try!

If Fitz is serious about retiring, then I don't blame him for holding his ground. But if he thinks the Jets will "blink first", then I hope he never ends up leaving his couch . . .

at what point does this get ridiculous??

is this really not going to get settled (one way or another) until a few hours before training camp??

jeezbus!!

 

[flgreen]

at what point does this get ridiculous??

is this really not going to get settled (one way or another) until a few hours before training camp??

jeezbus!!

Probably..

It's really not that big of a deal one way or the other. Probably even better for the Jets in the long run if he doesn't show for OTA's and Mini camp.

Jets have 3 QB's on the roster right now, when Ftiz signs it will be four. if Fitz signs now the two guys who need the reps the most, Petty and Hackenberg reps will be diminished, as Fitz and smith will get 1 and 2 reps.

If Fitz isn't here, smith and Petty will get the 1 and 2 reps. These young guys need every rep they can get

 

[flgreen]

Just because you "can't cash in twice" doesn't mean you can't try!

If Fitz is serious about retiring, then I don't blame him for holding his ground. But if he thinks the Jets will "blink first", then I hope he never ends up leaving his couch . . .

Why?????

We lose perspective about how much 2-3 million dollars is. Particularly when it may be your last pay day. I don't blame Fitz for trying to get as much money out of the Jets as he can.

It's true that nobody is going to pay Fitz 16 M (if that's even what he's asking for) including the Jets, but the one card that Fitz does have is that at this point the only real alternative to him is smith. He knows, having been on the team last year, that Nobody in the Jets FO, or the locker room, wants to see smith starting again.

If he can get Woody to cough up another 2-3 M, rather then put smith out there, good for him.

The alternative is horrifying.
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[jetgreen13]

Probably..

It's really not that big of a deal one way or the other. Probably even better for the Jets in the long run if he doesn't show for OTA's and Mini camp.

Jets have 3 QB's on the roster right now, when Ftiz signs it will be four. if Fitz signs now the two guys who need the reps the most, Petty and Hackenberg reps will be diminished, as Fitz and smith will get 1 and 2 reps.

If Fitz isn't here, smith and Petty will get the 1 and 2 reps. These young guys need every rep they can get

excellent points..

LOLz the idea of fitzpatrick signing just before training went from annoying to ideal in my view..

 

[flgreen]

excellent points..

LOLz the idea of fitzpatrick signing just before training went from annoying to ideal in my view..

In all honesty I think Macc feels the same way.

Not saying this is true, but I wouldn't be stunned if Fitz and the Jets' have reached some kind of agreement in principle, Jets just don't have the money to pay him................yet.

Macc having a dream about having to start smith

 

[jetgreen13]

Why?????

We lose perspective about how much 2-3 million dollars is. Particularly when it may be your last pay day. I don't blame Fitz for trying to get as much money out of the Jets as he can.

It's true that nobody is going to pay Fitz 16 M (if that's even what he's asking for) including the Jets, but the one card that Fitz does have is that at this point the only real alternative to him is smith. He knows, having been on the team last year, that Nobody in the Jets FO, or the locker room, wants to see smith starting again.

If he can get Woody to cough up another 2-3 M, rather then put smith out there, good for him.

The alternative is horrifying.
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depends on who you ask.. the word on the JFU streets is "The punch thing is overblown nonsense.." & "maccagnan has made it clear that he doesn't think the same way about geno that some overzealous fans do.."

 

[OCCH]

In all honesty I think Macc feels the same way.

Not saying this is true, but I wouldn't be stunned if Fitz and the Jets' have reached some kind of agreement in principle, Jets just don't have the money to pay him................yet.

Macc having a dream about having to start smith

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This I could understand.

I have no problem admitting I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I just don't think Macc is the type to bend to the will of his opponent.

And personally I hope he doesn't as I firmly stand in the "only sign Fitz at a team-friendly price" camp . . .

 

[flgreen]

depends on who you ask.. the word on the JFU streets is "The punch thing is overblown nonsense.." & "maccagnan has made it clear that he doesn't think the same way about geno that some overzealous fans do.."

Of course I have no idea what's going on in the Macc's mind, but judging by their actions I would think they don't hold smith in very high regard.

Fitz is clearly a flawed player, but they would rather play this waiting game with him, and off him about 7 times what smith is playing for, then turn the team over to smith..

In the end they are going to over pay (I'm thinking the 10 M range) to avoid having smith as the starter.

 

[jetgreen13]

Of course I have no idea what's going on in the Macc's mind, but judging by their actions I would think they don't hold smith in very high regard.

Fitz is clearly a flawed player, but they would rather play this waiting game with him, and off him about 7 times what smith is playing for, then turn the team over to smith..

In the end they are going to over pay (I'm thinking the 10 M range) to avoid having smith as the starter.

LOLz how about his teammates "lack of action" before during & after he got rocked by enemkpali??

you don't have to be "columbo" to figure out he's not well liked in the jets organization & they want no part of him anymore.. why would they?? his track record shows he's an amazing asshole as well as a lousy NFL QB..

hopefully 10 million gets fitzpatrick signed because that's still us bidding against ourselves..

 

[soj]

Googled Ryan Fitzpatrick and found this tidbit....is an American professional football player with an estimated net worth of $24 million.

If that is true then what the hell is he holding out for more money? I mean I can understand his wanting to get "paid" but when your a multi-millionaire do you really need a few million more? Are you that greedy, has the stats from last your affected your judgment/ego when the only team (only being the key word here) that has offer you a starting job and its seems $10 million and your waiting.... again for what?