With the exception of his sophmore year, how is Hackenberg an INT machine?
Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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With the exception of his sophmore year, how is Hackenberg an INT machine?
Ok, must have been some glitch but it's all good now
I'm not going to debate this as its been beaten to death more than a dead horse..........but
I've sat in my seats in the three stadiums " we" played in for 45 years ,and belive me I'm not confusing anything . I think I have a pretty good gauge on the Jetfans at large , and if Geno is trotted out as our starter on opening day and does his thing look for a riot.
Oh , and he not only sucks big time but is a classless ass, but that's just my opinion and a select few on this board, I guess .
If geno stayed game one and threw an int, you would instantly have a stadium chanting to cut him. I don't really consider snot rags like the daily news as actual journalism, and could care less what their invented polls say.
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Because he didn't have a good year, he had the best statistical year in team history! In the nfl,starting qbs make mid to high teens easily.
So let's see, starters make 15-19 on average, Fitz is our starter, Fitz wants 15. Nope I can't figure it out either!
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Yeah! What a loser, he should play for free! What does he need the money for?
So at what level of personal worth does one stop having the right to get paid for the job he's working?
The guy was a30/15 qb in a year when he didn't practice because of a broken leg, and played half the year in a cast, in the first season on the team.
He's worth what someone is willing to pay him. Right now that's 9 mill, when he signs we'll see what mac really thinks he's worth. It's called negotiating.
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I honestly think both sided need to move closer and settle on a 2 year contract for about 33.5 Million.... Only the 1st year guaranteed
Year 1 16.5 Mill 12Mill Base 500K if he starts 15 games 500K if he throws 28 TDs or more and 1 Mill for making the playoffs and 2.5 Million if he wins the superbowl
Year 2 18 Million with a $6 Million being a Roster Bonus....
Seems like a win win. to me If he hits the incentives year 1 minus the super bowl He makes 14 Mill.. He misses the playoffs again he makes 13 Mill.... He hits all of them he gets 16.5 Mill and guaranteed we bring him back year 2 and he makes 18 Mill.... Everyone is happy; if any scenario plays out either financially or other wise
Year 1 16.5 Mill 12Mill Base 500K if he starts 15 games 500K if he throws 28 TDs or more and 1 Mill for making the playoffs and 2.5 Million if he wins the superbowl
Year 2 18 Million with a $6 Million being a Roster Bonus....
Seems like a win win. to me If he hits the incentives year 1 minus the super bowl He makes 14 Mill.. He misses the playoffs again he makes 13 Mill.... He hits all of them he gets 16.5 Mill and guaranteed we bring him back year 2 and he makes 18 Mill.... Everyone is happy; if any scenario plays out either financially or other wise
Regardless, it will be much more than he earned the last 2 years.
If he was willing to play for 3 mill last year, he's not retiring over 9 mill one year later. And none will pay him half what the Jets offered.
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Those figures are way above his market value. No reason to pay that much, if we are already the highest bidder
that is an excellent analysis of the situation..
i always thought team fitzpatrick retirement talk was BS but after reading this post it almost seems laughable now..
Everyone hits a point where they're willing to walk away. From all reports Fitz is loaded, so his desire to play may ultimately trump the $ amount.
Just because 3M was enough to keep him going last year doesn't guarantee 9M will this year, especially if he doesn't "need" it and feels slighted by the offer . . .
well, then i guess we'll see if pride trumps fitzpatrick's love of being an NFL starting QB in an ideal situation.....
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Why did he get surgery last year and play every game, if he was on the tip of retiring?
The Jets offer to triple or quadruple his salary, in an offense personalized to him, with his favorite coach?
Why didn't brick negotiations go this way?
Jets: Brock we can't pay you what you want.
Brick: ok, I'm retiring.
Jets:Ryan, you're not worth 18 mill at this stage in your career just because we custom built you an offense, and our plan worked.
Ryan: I'm going to sit here for 5 months and wait to get paid. (3 months later) hey you guys gonna pay me yet?
Jets:no
Ryan
k, that's cool. (5 minutes later) how about now?Jets:no
Yup he's leaning towards retirement, not negotiating at all.
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Why did he get surgery last year and play every game, if he was on the tip of retiring?
The Jets offer to triple or quadruple his salary, in an offense personalized to him, with his favorite coach?
Why didn't brick negotiations go this way?
Jets: Brock we can't pay you what you want.
Brick: ok, I'm retiring.
Jets:Ryan, you're not worth 18 mill at this stage in your career just because we custom built you an offense, and our plan worked.
Ryan: I'm going to sit here for 5 months and wait to get paid. (3 months later) hey you guys gonna pay me yet?
Jets:no
Ryan
Jets:no
Yup he's leaning towards retirement, not negotiating at all.
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All valid points, but it doesn't change the fact that if we don't budge off our offer he could very well hang 'em up (and I'm in the "don't budge" camp, so I personally hope that's Macc's mindset).
I'm not saying he will retire, or even that he should retire -- but if he truly doesn't need the money it's foolish to think it's a no-brainer that he's coming back regardless of circumstance.
If they already have a handshake agreement, great. But if not, and there truly is a "stare down" going on, I'm not sure either side will ultimately blink . . .
I no longer am in the handshake camp, it doesn't make sense now. Unless they are waiting for camp to make cuts, but that would take an incredible type of faith in Fitz to abandon all of those reps.
I think it's going to be a late minute deal for total value of 12 per for 3 years. The Jets don't want to do this every year if the kids don't progress. And pretty is signed for 4 more years.
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What do you think the Jets are offering him now? By all reports it's nowhere near those numbers. I don't think Macc is going to stray much from his current offer so if anyone is going to "sacrifice" I think it's going to have to be Fitz (and I'm not at all convinced he will) . . .
I think the Jets have the original offer of 9 on the table. But I think they'll meet in the middle when it's crunch time. I think the final number winds up being 12.
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Jets WR Eric Decker has said on multiple occasions that he wants the team to re-sign Ryan Fitzpatrick, but he's also trying to be pragmatic. "All I can say is we have to move on without him right now because they are stuck where they are with the business decision, where they want to go with the money, who's going to break," Decker said today on SiriusXM NFL Radio. "But, again, we have a job to do and that's to be the best football team, field the best football team, of who we have in the locker room right now."
If the Jets don't sign Fitz, this locker room will be disgruntled. Decker and Marshall clearly do not want geno. Forte said Fitz being qb is the reason he signed.
Mac will have done disgruntled employees if this deal doesn't get done, which is why I think it happens.
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If the Jets don't sign Fitz, this locker room will be disgruntled. Decker and Marshall clearly do not want geno. Forte said Fitz being qb is the reason he signed.
Mac will have done disgruntled employees if this deal doesn't get done, which is why I think it happens.
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need to find some incentives that technically dont hit the cap now - I think the rule is that if it is something he accomplished last season, it is on the cap - so some doable incentives that were not hit in 2015
gotta believe that there is a number that works for Jets and Fitz
gotta hope
gotta believe that there is a number that works for Jets and Fitz
gotta hope