Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[jets82]

Speaking to the comment that Marshall and Decker made Fitz, the stats don't support that.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonmarshall/2495893/careerstats

Last year at 31,his first year as a jet, and with a new qb he had his best overall year. Not every Stat was a personal record, there are ups and downs, but it's the best year considering receptions, yardage, td, average.
He's had one qb most of his career, cutler. Who averages $18.1 million/year. Fitz made 3 last year.
http://www.nfl.com/player/ericdecker/497284/careerstats

Decker also had a near career year last year as the Jets number 2/slot. His career year with manning produced about 5%higher stats, on the greatest offense in recent memory, with a legend throwing to him.

Last year we had no number 3 receiver, no tight end, and an unreliable running game. Yes, Fitz had a great duo, but all 3 had career years together, with no help. Marshall had cutler, alshon Jeffrey, and Forte.
Decker had Peyton Manning, demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, etc.
Who has Fitz played with?

Is he perfect, no. But he's found a home, this locker room has fantastic chemistry, remember the Ryan days? Let's work out the numbers and see what these guys can do year 2.


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Great post and I can't argue this at all. Guess it's just a personal opinion, I will admit. Fitz is a average competent QB at best IMHO and if we can get that out of Hackenburg or Petty, we can move on to a young franchise or potential franchise QB in the making.

 

[jets82]

Both Marshall and Decker had their best years last season. Each had one comparable season, making this the best or toed for best year based on how you argue the case. Essentially their best year before last season was close, maybe 10 less receptions but one more td,that kind of thing. I think Marshall tired for career high in tds.

Decker was better last year as our slot, than under manning in their amazing season which they lost to Seattle in the nj super bowl. That was the best offensive year since Brady to moss, and Decker had equal or better numbers here last year. So no, that argument is not out if the window.

If Marshall and Decker spent all year saving Fitz, how did they rack up career years?

I think you aren't giving fair credit. They are a team that functions very well together, they compliment each other. Fitz, Marshall, and Decker, are on the same page, in an offense that maximizes their strengths. Do they make each other better, yes, is the team winning in spite of Fitz, no.

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Guess I'm just ready to move on and desperate for a young franchise QB. Tired of these retread old rejects or even worse, these rookie wash outs in 2-4 years.

 

[mykcuz]

Great post and I can't argue this at all. Guess it's just a personal opinion, I will admit. Fitz is a average competent QB at best IMHO and if we can get that out of Hackenburg or Petty, we can move on to a young franchise or potential franchise QB in the making.

Yes it definitely is opinion.

Your comment about the kids I think is a little too robotic in thinking. You see, it's not just moving from the 18th ranked qb to the 12th ranked qb,that makes success. If petty is amazing but had no chemistry, and isn't mentally on the same page, things won't work. There's a certain amount of immeasurable items in the equation. Fitz knows where these guys will be at all times, that comes from almost a decade in the system. If petty can't secure that chemistry this season or next, Marshall, Decker, and Forte might not even be on the team at that point.

There's a lot of what ifs, but if we sign Fitz to a reasonable deal, we have a couple of good options at qb, and will be stable for 5 years.

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[mykcuz]

Guess I'm just ready to move on and desperate for a young franchise QB. Tired of these retread old rejects or even worse, these rookie wash outs in 2-4 years.

Yes, but be careful. What if you're passing on a competent qb in Fitz to rush into a bust rookie? Don't be so quick to change just for the sake of change. Let's let this play out, and enjoy the show.
We have promise this year, not like years past when we were watching the gm screw up. Mac has made moves that we didn't understand, but with a little research, I for one, am able to understand what he's building.

Remember our 4 win team went to 10 wins with the trade of a5th and 7th round pick. And hiring some nfl corners.
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[Old#15]

Dennis Waszak Jr. ✔ ‎@DWAZ73
"Geno Smith really sharp in this OTA practice. (Yes, it's May 25. Yes, it's practice). Jace Amaro with some nice catches this morning. #Jets

Make that $6M

 

[jets82]

Dennis Waszak Jr. ✔ ‎@DWAZ73
"Geno Smith really sharp in this OTA practice. (Yes, it's May 25. Yes, it's practice). Jace Amaro with some nice catches this morning. #Jets

Make that $6M

LOL, this is either sarcastic at best and someone really looking to get rid of Fitz as bad as I am. Geno really looking sharp in OTA practice in May. Lol, to damn funny!

 

[jets82]

Yes, but be careful. What if you're passing on a competent qb in Fitz to rush into a bust rookie? Don't be so quick to change just for the sake of change. Let's let this play out, and enjoy the show.
We have promise this year, not like years past when we were watching the gm screw up. Mac has made moves that we didn't understand, but with a little research, I for one, am able to understand what he's building.

Remember our 4 win team went to 10 wins with the trade of a5th and 7th round pick. And hiring some nfl corners.
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IMO besides Fitz, if we don't have competent average QBs then we have a huge problem. We will need someone to back him up, lets remember that. So what happens if he gets hurt or just sucks this year (which is very possible.) If Hack, Petty or even Geno can be competent average QBs then they can possibly beat Fitz out this year. I know chemistry plays a huge part and Fitz knowing Chaney's system so well helps but a average competent QB is a average competent QB. So if Fitz can pull this off then why can't Petty or Hack, if they are competent average QBs? If they are ready to be at least average competent QBs at this point in their career, VERY BIG QUESTION???

 

[mykcuz]

IMO besides Fitz, if we don't have competent average QBs then we have a huge problem. We will need someone to back him up, lets remember that. So what happens if he gets hurt or just sucks this year (which is very possible.) If Hack, Petty or even Geno can be competent average QBs then they can possible beat Fitz out this year. I know chemistry plays a huge part and Fitz knowing Chaney's system so well helps but a average competent QB is a average competent QB. So if Fitz can pull this off then why can't Petty or Hack, if they are competent average QBs? If they are ready to be at least be average competent QBs at this point in their career, VERY BIG QUESTION???

Pretty was drafted as a 3 year project.
Hack was drafted as a project. I think relying on them to be a middle of the pack nfl qb this year, is as optimistic as you can be. If it happens awesome, but to expect that is unrealistic in my opinion.

Listen, geno can certainly be a 500 qb in a good year. He's the backup.

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[OCCH]

Let's try not to forget that Fitz didn't drop a TD pass in his hands that probably would've sealed a win against NE in the first match up. Let's try not to forget that Fitz didn't elect to go for either first down or TD on three plays deep in BUFF redzone instead of three chip shot FG's that puts us up 4 instead of down 5...either game doesn't put us in a do or die in week 17. BTW, Fitz wasn't the one who couldn't get off the field on 3rd down in that game.

His season wasn't Marino's '84, Brady's '07, most of Manning's...but let's not sell it short either.

People make a lot of the fact that he only did what he did, bc of Brandon & Eric. That's the logic I don't get. When he has quality WR's who can change games, he became a double digit win QB...but as others have said, we know what we have with him. To me, that means a winning QB when he has a real team around him.

"is he the answer to a SB run?" I'd be willing to bet there have been more than a handful of QBs who have rings and didn't put 31-15, and 3900 in their SB winning seasons.

Sorry, but your logic has to work both ways.

He may not have dropped any TDs, but he also didn't break up multiple passes that SHOULD have been intercepted but weren't. He may not have elected to go for it on 4th down, but he wasn't able to successfully convert those 4th downs either.

Point is, EVERY QB has plays that go in his favor and plays that don't. And when the dust settled on all those plays his stats landed right in the middle of the pack, proving he is what everyone says he is -- a QB that can be successful in the right system, but not someone who will put the team on his shoulders and carry them to victory.

Which brings me back to my original point: if you think Fitz is the "missing piece" then do whatever necessary to bring him in. But if you simply think he makes us "less mediocre", then we should only sign him under conditions that make sense for the team (which I believe is what Macc is doing) . . .

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I don't believe that Fitz can repeat what he did last year, therefore I would not offer a dime more than 8 Million for one year, and I would not get locked into two years either. Next year I want to start the process of figuring out who our QB is for the long haul and I do not want Ryan Fitzpatrick blocking that process and setting it back another year.

Of course I wasn't in favor of signing him last year either. I never dreamed he could have the kind of year that he did, so I'm not exactly arguing from a position of strength here. I'm a guy who was spectacularly wrong about Fitz one year ago at this time, but IMO that was a career year and he had almost perfect weather conditions until the final weekend in Buffalo. I think he's more likely to regress to the back of his football card, so I would proceed with caution here, and if that means we have to move on to the neophytes or start Geno for a year to give them more time, then so be it.

 

[skop]

I don't believe that Fitz can repeat what he did last year, therefore I would not offer a dime more than 8 Million for one year, and I would not get locked into two years either. Next year I want to start the process of figuring out who our QB is for the long haul and I do not want Ryan Fitzpatrick blocking that process and setting it back another year.

Of course I wasn't in favor of signing him last year either. I never dreamed he could have the kind of year that he did, so I'm not exactly arguing from a position of strength here. I'm a guy who was spectacularly wrong about Fitz one year ago at this time, but IMO that was a career year and he had almost perfect weather conditions until the final weekend in Buffalo. I think he's more likely to regress to the back of his football card, so I would proceed with caution here, and if that means we have to move on to the neophytes or start Geno for a year to give them more time, then so be it.

With a 3 down back in Forte, who can be not just serviceable out of the backfield, but a weapon, and year two with two proto-typical WR's, I can see him better.

As for him keeping guys from growing or moving onto the real solution if he isn't on the roster now, I think Macc sees Hack as the future...and I don't see that as a long term project. Hack, at Penn State was a fish out out of water in his 2nd & 3rd years, but as a Freshman, in a pro-style offense, he was a hot commodity. His natural instincts are to do what he's doing now. I think we'll see Hack sooner than later.

That being said, I think the best thing for Hack, the Jets 2016-17 Season & Jets fans is to have Fitz back for 2 years.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I don't believe that Fitz can repeat what he did last year, therefore I would not offer a dime more than 8 Million for one year, and I would not get locked into two years either. Next year I want to start the process of figuring out who our QB is for the long haul and I do not want Ryan Fitzpatrick blocking that process and setting it back another year.

Of course I wasn't in favor of signing him last year either. I never dreamed he could have the kind of year that he did, so I'm not exactly arguing from a position of strength here. I'm a guy who was spectacularly wrong about Fitz one year ago at this time, but IMO that was a career year and he had almost perfect weather conditions until the final weekend in Buffalo. I think he's more likely to regress to the back of his football card, so I would proceed with caution here, and if that means we have to move on to the neophytes or start Geno for a year to give them more time, then so be it.

How about $6M base with maybe up to $4M additional in incentives based on performance? One-year contract only.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

How about $6M base with maybe up to $4M additional in incentives based on performance? One-year contract only.

I'm OK with that, but it has to be W/L incentives. I'll take it from 6 to 10 if the team makes the playoffs, otherwise there's no point in bringing him back. We can NOT make the playoffs with the young guns and get them a year of experience.

 

[SackExchange]

I OK with that, but it has to be W/L incentives. I'll take it from 6 to 10 if the team makes the playoffs, otherwise there's no point in bringing him back. We can NOT make the playoffs with the young guns and get them a year of experience.

I'm not sure the CBA allows for W/L bonuses.

 

[Elias]

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Case for Fitzpatrick: http://goo.gl/IQYIu0 1st step, create framework for a deal#NYJ clearly using Chase Daniel deal in PHI as guideline

 

[Old#15]

Pat KirwanVerified account‏@PatKirwanCBS
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Case for Fitzpatrick: http://goo.gl/IQYIu0 1st step, create framework for a deal#NYJ clearly using Chase Daniel deal in PHI as guideline

Thanks for the link - good information!

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I'm not sure the CBA allows for W/L bonuses.

Thanks sack, I never knew that.

 

[mykcuz]

Thanks sack, I never knew that.

Bit I think playoffs etc are allowed as bonus incentives.

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[isired]

Well a one year deal means the team is 90% confident a young guy will be ready to start next year. Good knows if we need Fitz to hang out a little longer, we don't want this holdout every year.

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I think a 2 year deal means what you say, because if they think one of the young guys will start year 2 then they'll cut Geno this year and need Fitz as a backup.

The problem I have with the anti-Fitz contingent is that they were against bringing him in last year because he had only put together one good season (an arguable point), and had never led a team to a winning record.

Well, last year, he leads the team to a winning record, and has a good season, and all you hear is that last year was his only good season, and any success he had was because of the players around him.

It's as if the anti-Fitz crowd are shaping the facts to try to fit their narrative, and then when the facts no longer fit their narrative, they change the facts.

I was against bringing him in last year, I was wrong, and now see him as our best option for this year. But I don't want to pay him $16MM per just because the Eagles fucked up with Bradford. Especially because I don't know that what's best for the 2016 Jets is best for the 2017-2023 Jets.

Bit I think playoffs etc are allowed as bonus incentives.

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Yes playoffs are and would most certainly be part of any Fitz deal, as it is a bonus that wouldn't count against the cap until next year (because we didn't make last year).

 

[mykcuz]

I think a 2 year deal means what you say, because if they think one of the young guys will start year 2 then they'll cut Geno this year and need Fitz as a backup.

I was against bringing him in last year, I was wrong, and now see him as our best option for this year. But I don't want to pay him $16MM per just because the Eagles fucked up with Bradford. Especially because I don't know that what's best for the 2016 Jets is best for the 2017-2023 Jets.

Yes playoffs are and would most certainly be part of any Fitz deal, as it is a bonus that wouldn't count against the cap until next year (because we didn't make last year).

Early reports were that Fitz wanted 16, Jets offered 8. The link posted by another poster, said the Jets are at 7 and Fitz wants 13.
Cimini posted awhile ago that the Jets offer was actually well north of 8,insinuating the Jets offered 8 to 9.

The journalist in the link suggested Fitz lies somewhere between the chase daniels and Nick foles contracts, or 7-13 mill. Which is exactly where we are. Daniels had never started a game I think, and foles has had success in the right system, but is younger with less success than Fitz.

So I really think the base of the deal is done, and it's the details that will conclude this negotiation. Such as years, guarantees, incentives.

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