It does tell me all that I need to know----about the FO. The way the FO has handled the QB situation and the situation with MO is draining by confidence in them daily.
Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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It does tell me all that I need to know----about the FO. The way the FO has handled the QB situation and the situation with MO is draining by confidence in them daily.
what exactly are you suggesting they do to "make an example" of decker and/or marshall?
should they cut them? fine them? bench them? make them run extra at practice?
please elaborate. and keep in mind these are voluntary workouts which players are free to skip without punishment. so tell me how they should make an "example of them"
leaving aside the results of fan polls...which I confess I dont care much about
ESPN sportscenter this morning reported that the Jets offer is 12 million for year one but then a total of 12 million for the 2d and 3d years. They said not clear what is guaranteed in years 2 and 3. Is that new news?
I can understand Fitz being unhappy with those as the terms for 2d and 3d seasons. If so, circling back to incentives discussions earlier in the thread, seems to me that the logical fix is to pick some performance levels in year 1 which, if attained, then up the season 2 guarantee. Make some of the triggers reasonably doable - basically he didnt crash and burn - and make others aspirational.
ESPN sportscenter this morning reported that the Jets offer is 12 million for year one but then a total of 12 million for the 2d and 3d years. They said not clear what is guaranteed in years 2 and 3. Is that new news?
I can understand Fitz being unhappy with those as the terms for 2d and 3d seasons. If so, circling back to incentives discussions earlier in the thread, seems to me that the logical fix is to pick some performance levels in year 1 which, if attained, then up the season 2 guarantee. Make some of the triggers reasonably doable - basically he didnt crash and burn - and make others aspirational.
The FO has handled things with Mo the best they could. I'm sure they would love to have him on the team. Mo is asking for way more than he is worth. Same thing with Fitz. We don't have the money for either of them. It's the players that are pricing themselves out of the market. Mo is untradeable because of how much money he wants. And Fitz can't get even $5M from any other team yet it's reported we will pay him double. That's where the FO has failed IMO. They have bid against themselves. Mo has shown no matter what we offer its not good enough. He will find out next year that the NFL thinks the same. The FO is doing fine with Fitz unless they give him $12M or more than two years. That's when I will think they have failed.
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well both Decker & Marshall went to the media to express their feelings about the situation and what they are doing to support their friend, team mate, quarterback...
why not fine them?
they are basically calling out the front office in their actions...
Mike Maccagnan is a person of few words which is nice about time, use that to quietly make a suggestion the team may be in the market to make an off season move - to send a message that neither of their jobs are secure...
actually don't care what they do if anything my point is how these two idiots probably came together to make their statement heard by the actions they took -- at the end of the day I think the team would be better served on moving from this Fitz situation, just time to move forward and leave the past in the past...
if the offer on ESPN that the first year of $12 M salary guess it is fully guaranteed leaving the door open to suggest the final two years of this proposed offer is also $12 M each year in total gtd... But the guaranteed dollars are $8 M & $4 M if not even money of $6 & $6...
a 3 year deal $36 M offer with $24 M in total guarantees is not only generous but team friendly as well... Fitz isn't a spring chicken and isn't probably here for year three of that contract he stands to make a total of $28 M of the $36 M...
He should be jumping all over this deal and getting his ass back to work as he was sub par last season...
a 3 year deal $36 M offer with $24 M in total guarantees is not only generous but team friendly as well... Fitz isn't a spring chicken and isn't probably here for year three of that contract he stands to make a total of $28 M of the $36 M...
He should be jumping all over this deal and getting his ass back to work as he was sub par last season...
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If Fitz really is pushing to get $16M+ then they need to cut bait and tell him Thank you for your services. I guess they can drag this on until training camp but it definitely isn't helping the team at all to let this drag on.
Agree!
fine them for supporting their teammate publicly? yeah, i'm sure the union wouldn't have a problem with that and the other players would love to see teammates fined for supporting teammates.
as to subtle suggestions about making a move, not exactly sure what that does. but yeah, let's create even more animosity between players and the team. and are you prepared to go into the season without one (or both) of them? or are you just making idle threats?
listen I am fine with them not showing up for voluntary workouts but when they go to the media and state they are sitting out on behalf of Fitz not getting his contract is another thing... or don't you remember the media circus when Rex Ryan was here...
they chose to express their feelings publicly hoping that would sway the front office into giving in to Fitzpatrick, that was uncalled for and as two veterans as they are they should know better...
do I care if either is on the team, no I don't... Marshall had some humdinger plays last season and Decker is a walking time bomb waiting to be back on the sideline with another injury... it is the other players that must step up regardless whomever is under center, that be Fitz, Geno or Petty...
and no I am not making ideal threats, just certain things need to stop and the union will always stick up for the players even when they are dead wrong in any situation because that is their jobs...
Supporting their teammate is actually a great thing (especially in this me/myself & I league). I don't see anything wrong with them publicly supporting Fitz (it also shows how they truly feel about Geno as well), but once things get mandatory then they need to show up for work as they are supposed to.
can you show me the quotes from the players where they publicly protested macc and his handling of the fitz situation? and not from reporters "connecting the dots", but the players themselves?
you mention them expressing their feelings in public, but all i see is a couple of players who skipped voluntary minicamp and haven't actually commented to the press on it.
and i guess we differ on what we want for the jets. you want cumbaya, peace and love....and geno passing to devin smith, quincy enunwa and kenbrell tompkins. and i guess you probably should get rid of other malcontents like revis and mo, since they are or have been engaged in contract squabbles in the past.
agree on all accounts
i agree with flgreen.. i suspect decker, marshall & mangold will not miss anymore OTA's..
the message to management how they feel about fitzpatrick & smith seems pretty obvious..
no need for overkill.....
I would assume this post was written under the assumption Geno is DEFINITELY gone before the season starts. Otherwise their "public support" for one teammate could cause irreparable damage with another. . .
the die is cast.....
Unlikely, because Marshall gave an interview in the NYP a few weeks ago in which he declared that he was very proud of Geno and Bryce Petty for how much they have grown in the past year, and that he was confident that the Jets could win with either of them - notwithstanding the fact that he still would prefer to see Fitzpatrick back in the fold. He has made other positive statements about how Geno grew from last year's punch-out and how hard he has worked and how well he has handled things since then. I think that Decker & Marshall campaigning on Fitzpatrick's behalf is more about his leadership than about his physical abilities as a QB. Fitzpatrick clearly has tremendous leadership qualities and he became the undeniable leader of the Jets last year, and that makes him important to the team beyond just the success he had last season with his two top receivers. Let me present that another way: if Fitzpatrick resigns and then gets injured and Geno becomes the starting QB, Fitzpatrick's presence on the team would still be a huge positive for what he brings to the locker room, and as an example for Geno (and the other young QBs) to emulate with regard to how he carries himself both on and off the field. It's pretty clear from Marshall's various statements that for him, being pro-Fitzpatrick is not intended as any kind of negative reflection on the other QBs.
[MENTION=109]skop[/MENTION]ko is referring to Rich Gannon and he is spot on. 1999-2004. From 99-'04, the guy had years he had never experienced in up to that point 11 years in the league.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Gannon).
Sure there were fans in Oakland who wanted to see a younger QB at the helm within those years, especially Marquise Tuiasosopo. Though some regimes know what it best for the organization. They will never make the fans choose for them. Polls are meaningless. Jets fans choosing Geno over Fitz ? C'mon now, Mac and Bowles would be out of jobs just like the predecessors.
I feel Macagnans plan is to continue to build towards the future with leadership to learn from. Something the Raiders didnt do with Gannon. They put all their eggs in a QB that after his short success, there was nothing to follow. Mac is following the path of the select front offices who know that the limited time they have with a QB should continue with their heir such as:
*San francisco, (Montana/Young)
*Green Bay (Favre/Rodgers),
*Chargers (Brees/Rivers)
*Steelers (Maddox/Roethlisberger)
*Patriots (Beldsoe/Brady)
*Patriots (Brady/Garroppolo ??)
Mike Macagnan knows where this team would be if Geno Smith is at the helm here with Marshall, Decker, Forte, Amaro and whom ever stud has the potential to break out either in Devin Smith of CHerone Peake: it would be wasting Woody Johnsons money in watching a mediocre product. Geno is a Tony Banks, David Klingler and Andre Ware clone. He is a below average serviceable back up QB. Talented physique wise, absolutely, though between the ears, it unfortunately doesn't click. Ask youselves, why would Woody want to place this sort of investment in the hands of a player who just never seems to seize his moments?
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Apparently the offer is something along the lines of $6 million base for three years with a signing bonus of $6 million. The contract value would be $24 million over three years. Even if no further money is guaranteed Fitz would almost certainly get at least $12 million out of this contract because the Jets are not signing him and giving him a $6 million signing bonus to cut him before the season starts. Assuming no other money is guaranteed this would make the cap hit $6 million if cut this year; $4 million if cut next year; and $2 million if cut the following year.
From Fitzpatrick's point of view (assuming he is okay with being assured of getting $12 million out of this contract) the second and third years are the problem because if he has another good year in his eyes then he is committed to the Jets for the following two years (and most likely his last years) at $6 million per year which is basically well paid back up money and nothing more. If the Jets really do want him back there is a simple solution: keep the first year base salary and the signing bonus the same but jack up the second and third years' base salaries in non-guaranteed dollars to $12 million per year. For all I care jack it up to $20 million per year. This way both parties will know that this contract is nothing more than a one year contract and Fitz will not be stuck beyond this year if he has a good year. If he does have a great year and the Jets want him back they would have to renegotiate at that time. This is similar to the structure of the Revis contract with the Pats.
From the Jets' point of view this is a well designed contract because except for a reasonable cap hit they are not committed to Fitz beyond this year. Also, if Geno (or one of the other young QBs) blows up training camp it is not too much of a disaster financially to make Fitz the back up because the base is only $6 million and even with the signing bonus factored in he is in effect getting $8 million per year this year, slightly more than Chase Daniels' $7 million in Philly. This contract shows me that the Jets do have some idea that Geno is going to win the job because it is structured to make Fitz a backup (albeit an expensive one) THIS YEAR.
Here is what is interesting: if the Jets do offer the compromise I suggested and protect Fitz with non-guaranteed dollars from being committed to the Jets for the last two years of his career for only back up money and Fitz rejects it then Fitz is out of his mind because he is in effect rejecting a one year contract for $12 million and is seeking commitment to him at starter money (albeit low starter money) beyond 2016. However, if the Jets do not increase the offer then what this offer really says to me and to Fitz (because it really is unfair to Fitz in years 2 and 3) is that the Jets prefer Geno to Fitz THIS YEAR because this offer is really designed for Fitz not to take it. I feel better about the FO already. This is a well thought out offer from the Jets' point of view and does not force them to start Fitz this year or at any time in the future if there are better options.
From Fitzpatrick's point of view (assuming he is okay with being assured of getting $12 million out of this contract) the second and third years are the problem because if he has another good year in his eyes then he is committed to the Jets for the following two years (and most likely his last years) at $6 million per year which is basically well paid back up money and nothing more. If the Jets really do want him back there is a simple solution: keep the first year base salary and the signing bonus the same but jack up the second and third years' base salaries in non-guaranteed dollars to $12 million per year. For all I care jack it up to $20 million per year. This way both parties will know that this contract is nothing more than a one year contract and Fitz will not be stuck beyond this year if he has a good year. If he does have a great year and the Jets want him back they would have to renegotiate at that time. This is similar to the structure of the Revis contract with the Pats.
From the Jets' point of view this is a well designed contract because except for a reasonable cap hit they are not committed to Fitz beyond this year. Also, if Geno (or one of the other young QBs) blows up training camp it is not too much of a disaster financially to make Fitz the back up because the base is only $6 million and even with the signing bonus factored in he is in effect getting $8 million per year this year, slightly more than Chase Daniels' $7 million in Philly. This contract shows me that the Jets do have some idea that Geno is going to win the job because it is structured to make Fitz a backup (albeit an expensive one) THIS YEAR.
Here is what is interesting: if the Jets do offer the compromise I suggested and protect Fitz with non-guaranteed dollars from being committed to the Jets for the last two years of his career for only back up money and Fitz rejects it then Fitz is out of his mind because he is in effect rejecting a one year contract for $12 million and is seeking commitment to him at starter money (albeit low starter money) beyond 2016. However, if the Jets do not increase the offer then what this offer really says to me and to Fitz (because it really is unfair to Fitz in years 2 and 3) is that the Jets prefer Geno to Fitz THIS YEAR because this offer is really designed for Fitz not to take it. I feel better about the FO already. This is a well thought out offer from the Jets' point of view and does not force them to start Fitz this year or at any time in the future if there are better options.