I agree with this post, which is why I'll trust him if he lets Fitz walk/ultimately signs him.
We may look back and regret either option one day, but for now I'm comfortable seeing how things play out . . .
Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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I agree with this post, which is why I'll trust him if he lets Fitz walk/ultimately signs him.
We may look back and regret either option one day, but for now I'm comfortable seeing how things play out . . .
Do any 2 people ever see everything the same 100%?
If Fitz walks I won't hold it against mac because I believe he's playing his hand correctly.
I would hope that money goes to signing mo to a6 year deal, and we keep grooming the kids, and see who's available in the offseason.
I also don't want mo at cox prices. Can't afford it with the salary cap. He's good, but he's not the difference between winning and losing. I think the position is inflated because a couple teams had the money to spend.
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The point is that there are lots of things I want. Lots of them will never happen. Sure, I want Geno to be good. The point is that he isn't. And it is 99% likely, IMO, that he will not ever be. I don't care what he does in practice. In actual games, he is terrible, and is always one play away from doing some completely boneheaded thing. So, yeah, I don't think it's ever gonna happen. To me, the thing that is 99% likely to happen is that, oh, he looks good in practice, so we put him in a game, and then, as always, he stinks on ice, and then we're losing football games and continuing to have this conversation about potential that I just can't for the life of me see, at all.
So I have to disagree with any fault on Macc if Fitz signs or doesn't sign. He played it perfectly and quite honestly he has been spot on with Fitz market value. The only issue here is Fitz and his agent have severely overestimated his value which him shopping himself around only proved Macc correct.
Honest question:
You play the lottery. Your first number hits. How excited are you? Probably not much since "that happens a lot and it still ends up being a losing ticket". But does that mean you throw the ticket away? I mean there's a MUCH greater possibility of it losing than winning, so who cares if the first number hit? Yet you're obviously still more excited than if it was wrong, no?
Geno has 5 numbers to go and the likelihood of coming out a winner is slim. But I'll personally wait until the ticket is officially a loser (ie he's no longer on the team) because that's a REAL expensive "egg" to have on your face . . .
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But if our season truly hinges on the beard, how do we let him go over a few measley million?
That's why I DON'T think the FO views him that way, and I'm holding out hope Plan B is trusting in the kid, not tanking for the first pick in 17 . . .
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Well, I think the analogy has a problem, which is that on Geno's lottery ticket, the first number didn't match, so we already lose.
But anyway, analogies can only take you so far. There's a big difference between a lottery ticket, which after hearing the first number, I will find out within the next 15 seconds whether I win or lose, and investing time and roster space and practice reps on a QB on an NFL football team. It just isn't the same. Lotteries are random. Player scouting and talent evaluation are not random. Obviously there is an element of chance, but in a lottery, all numbers are equal, none is better than another, and each has an equal chance of appearing at any given moment. The attributes which allow professional athletes to succeed in the NFL aren't like that.
And the more I think about the analogy, I wonder, does the second number in this lottery ever get announced? I understand the lottery ticket is Geno, and I suppose the first number is the fact that he has athletic ability. What does the second number represent? Why doesn't his crappy play in NFL games count as the second number? Do lotteries typically announce false numbers that don't really count? Really, the best analogy, I think, is someone who got really excited because the first number matched, and then goes into "well, there's still a chance I can hit the bonus number!" mode after the next few numbers didn't match and it became clear that the ticket was probably going to be a loser.
So, no, I wouldn't throw that lottery ticket away. But that really has nothing to do with whether I think that Geno has what it takes to be a good NFL quarterback. I don't, and so I don't want to see the Jets waste time on him. To me, putting him into games is a good way to lose them. I want to win games. Ergo, I don't want him to play. And no analogy is going to change the fact that he doesn't play well, and has shown no signs of being an NFL caliber quarterback.
I always hear about how athletic Geno is, and how he has "all the tools." Why does anyone fail in the NFL? Is it because they don't have athletic ability? No, those things are prerequisites to being in the NFL at all. Here's the thing - being a successful quarterback isn't about running around. It's about being smart. It's about understanding situations. It's about making good decisions, all the time. It's about being cool under pressure. It's about inspiring your teammates, and making them believe in you. It's about setting a good example. And it's about having success on the field, in actual games. So far in his career, Geno has failed on each of these qualities. And none of these qualities are tested in practice.
You know, I can make analogies, too. Waiting around for Geno to become a great quarterback (or hell, even an average one) is like searching for buried treasure. Yea, anywhere I dig, there's a chance I might find something, but that doesn't mean I want to spend my whole life going around digging holes all over the place. It's a waste of time and effort because it is virtually guaranteed to not pay off. And is certainly less likely to pay off than a different plan, like getting a job. It's about allocation of time and resources, and probabilities.
Or maybe waiting for Geno is like playing a really stingy slot machine as a retirement plan; maybe you'll hit the jackpot, but much more likely, you'll waste a bunch of time and money, and at the end, you'll be in the same situation, only worse, because you wasted years of your life.
Or maybe waiting for Geno is like scaling Mt. Everest with no training; there's a small chance you'll make it, and it would be the thrill of a lifetime to do it, but you'll probably die, so you don't take the chance.
I honestly just can't understand what anyone sees in him. I find watching him to be awful. Losing the lottery isn't fun. But it's especially not fun when I lose again because I kept the same losing ticket from yesterday. And then again. Sure, I "hope" he gets better, but I also can hope for the vastly more likely scenario, which is that we find someone else who is better, which really shouldn't be hard, because he has been terrible.
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You obviously hate the kid and are entitled to that opinion. Like Sanchez, I believe many fans go to emotional extremes when talking about players they don't like (how many times did I have to hear that Mark was "the worst QB in the history of the NFL"). Reading your post, it would seem impossible that the kid went 8-8 his rookie year. I realize he didn't carry the team on his back for those 8 victories, but it's also hard to fathom winning ANYTHING if he truly was as horrifically bad as you make him out to be. (Never mind the fact that the CS labeled him the starter at the beginning of last season, even AFTER his slow start).
IMO the reality is Geno has potential, but is running out of time for that potential to manifest itself. As of today the team still thinks there's sand in the hourglass so I'm willing to wait, and it sounds like he's getting off to a good start. In my analogy, Geno doing well in OTAs is the "first number". Seeing how he looks in training camp is the second, preseason games, third, etc. If at some point the numbers don't match, then throw the ticket away. But you want to give up on the ticket because past tickets have all failed, and I just don't agree. We have three young QBs in the pipeline, so it's not like Geno is stopping us from trying to get better at the position. Let's hope we catch lightning in a bottle, and if we don't then he'll likely continue his Sanchez 2.0 impersonation right out the door . . .
Pretty fair comments IMHO.
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I mean, first off, come on, they wouldn't have drafted two QBs in two years, and they wouldn't be looking to sign Fitz if the Jets thought Geno was a legitimate option going forward. So there's "sand in the hourglass" but it's running out very fast.
And the reason why your analogy doesn't work is (a) because the negative things we've seen apparently have no place in the analogy; they don't count for anything in the analogy, they aren't a factor apparently in whether "the numbers match" or we should "give up on the ticket" ... but they exist, and should be considered, and (b) because lotteries are random, and this isn't. My numbers in a lottery have no inherent value; yesterday's losing numbers can be today's winning numbers, because every number is equal in value and quality to every other number, and each has an equal chance of appearing. Yesterday's losing NFL QB doesn't just become today's winning QB because every player has an equal chance of being a winner on any given day. It just doesn't work like that. And you don't have to invest years of your life waiting to see if a lottery ticket pays off. If I did, I probably would be less inclined to do that, too. If I had to invest more and more to see each subsequent number, I would be less inclined to see the ticket through to the end.
Geno played awful in that 8-8 season. And he played even worse the next season, playing so badly that he lost his job. They won despite him, and you seem like you want to ignore that VERY impressive 3-10 he put up the next year. Do you know that in 31 career games, he has thrown EIGHT pick sixes. 27 TDs for our team, and 8 for the other. Not very good. Oh, and lets not forget about that tidy little Game 8 of 2014, when Geno impressively led his team, with 2 completions in 8 attempts, with 3 interceptions and NO yards! What a performance! I'm like Bart Scott over here, I just CAN'T WAIT to watch more of that!
Seriously, who is worse than Geno? I can name 100 better players. Can you name anyone who is worse? More to the point, are the players comparable to him players you would want on the team? What are the chances that Geno finishes his career in the top 100 QBs all time? Are they so much greater than yours or mine? How many seasons are we supposed to spend watching this guy play before we decide, yes, he really just is as bad as he seems to be? How many years of my life am I required to waste watching him before I'm allowed to decide that he's bad? If I'm not allowed to think that THIS is a bad player, then is there anyone in the league I'm allowed to not like? Is it really necessary to put caveats like "he's bad, for an NFL QB, but obviously, overall, he's very talented, and if he showed up to any random pickup game, he would be the best player on the field?" Of course that's true. And of course I hope he plays better. But what difference does that make?
As a player, yes, I hate Geno. I hate watching him play, because he is frustrating, and he makes terrible decisions, and he loses us football games. I could go around talking about how any Jets fan should feel the same way, but I won't. As a person, I'm not particularly impressed in the sense that he doesn't command respect and he doesn't act very professionally. But I don't know the kid. He might be a great guy. Lots of people are who shouldn't be the QB of the Jets. I think Mel Brooks and Carl Reiner are great people; I don't think they should be QB of the Jets. So my personal feelings have nothing to do with anything. It's purely about watching him play, and winning games. But what I really hate is this conversation, as people try to tell me that I should ignore what my eyes tell me AND what the stats tell me, in favor of some weird notion of potential that is almost certainly not going to develop into anything. I just don't know what to say; if the level of play you've seen from him is acceptable to you, then I think you have very low standards.
This argument is EXACTLY like the Mark Sanchez argument. A bunch of people want to believe that we have something better than what their eyes and the stats tell them, so they create a bunch of arguments about potential that never materializes. Because these arguments apply to everyone (i.e. you don't get to the NFL without having potential), they aren't very persuasive. But rather than acknowledge that, they accuse people of "hating" the player, which makes no sense, but of course that HAS to be the reason other people don't agree with their potential argument, it can't just be that it's an unpersuasive argument, NO, there has to be personal hatred there, there just has to be! And then, when the critics turn out to be right, they still don't get any credit, because they were "haters" and their correct assessment was based on "hate." So the wait and see crowd is never wrong, because they're not saying anyone is a good player, they're just saying "we have to wait and see," which is true, but meaningless, because that's how time works, of course we have to wait to see. Saying that adds nothing to a conversation. And it's a real cop out on a message board. So the whole conversation is just annoying to me. I watched people bash Nick all over the place about Mark Sanchez, calling him all sorts of names and acting like he hated Mark ... but he was right all along. And I thought "finally, this conversation is over" but no, it sprang right back up, exactly the same as it was before, only now Geno is the one we're waiting for his potential.
But I at least saw why people thought Mark had potential. He always seemed on the verge of being good. Geno, I just don't see it.
But sure, in the best of all worlds, Geno would become Joe Montana, and we'd win the next 10 Super Bowls, and as a Jets fan, I hope that happens. I really, really, hope! Oh, I will wish upon a star! If I just squeeze my eyes tight enough and hope hard enough, good things will happen!
Let's remember, you can't have too many valuable qbs. Even if we found our guy, having 2 on the bench gives us a kirk Cousins buffer, and allows for a great return in a trade.
It's like power pitchers in baseball, you can just draft them all day. Play some, some get injured, and they're valuable assets.
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It's like power pitchers in baseball, you can just draft them all day. Play some, some get injured, and they're valuable assets.
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Not sure who's asking Geno to become Joe Montana -- the bar is currently set at a journeyman QB with a sub-500 record and NO playoff starts in his illustrious career.
If this discussion centered around why "we don't need to keep looking for a QB -- we've got Geno!" then I'd be wholeheartedly on your side. But with all your arguments, it doesn't change the fact that Geno is still on the roster, which means the CS doesn't see him as epically horrible as you do.
Did you ever think Blaine Gabbert would be starting for another NFL team? That Alex Smith would be a playoff QB? That Mark Sanchez would still be taking starting snaps behind center? None of them will EVER be mistaken for a HOF QB, yet all 3 are being counted on to lead their team into battle.
As soon as a better option for Geno comes along, sign me up. But when that "better option" is Ryan Frickin Fitzpatrick, you better believe I'm going to be looking under every rock available before settling for it . . .
so after the jets pay fitzpatrick in all likelihood north of 9 million guaranteed for next season, your plan is to give smith his job?? the same job bowles already said would be fitzpatrick's as soon as he re-signs?? i can't see any reason for you to believe this is how things will play out.. aside from you've got this thing all figured out & eventually bowles will see that & come to his senses..
BTW, the you guys just "hate" smith stuff is ridiculous.. you support the idea of smith getting one more shot.. does that mean you & anyone in favor of that "loves" the guy?? hate much like love is a very strong word that doesn't apply to jets fans who have seen enough of smith..
23,000 career yards
154/116td/int
60.1 completion%
80qbr
Had played for mostly garbage teams.
His stats are not his talent or his fit on this team. He's an intelligent qb who understands what's happening around him quickly. My opinion is that he was a young hot shot in Buffalo and ruined a great opportunity, it cost him years on shit teams. I feel like he's controlled his ego and is now in that sweet spot before his body breaks down, but where his mind is strong.
I like how geno having a good practice is step 1 for him having a good Jet year, but Fitz breaking every Jerry passing record isn't his first step in having a good jet year.
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I suspect that right now the front office is thinking of ways for Fitz to accept their basic offer and still look like he won. And if he has any sense he will be looking at those options as well.
He was looking to find some leverage out in the marketplace, but there isn't any. It was an 'oops' moment for he and his agent, and now he'll look bad if he capitulates. But if saving face is all-important to him, he better sit down with those guys and work it out.
The organization will look strong if they hold the line, most folks won't blame them considering the career he's had, and they will look weak if they give in. They want to avoid any of that 'same old Jets' stuff at all costs. The front office has looked pretty good for the past 1 1/2 years, and they're not going to make any foolish choices.
Fitz has put himself in this position, and if he doesn't figure out a way to deal with it he will find himself without a job (or working as a backup somewhere for much less money).
He was looking to find some leverage out in the marketplace, but there isn't any. It was an 'oops' moment for he and his agent, and now he'll look bad if he capitulates. But if saving face is all-important to him, he better sit down with those guys and work it out.
The organization will look strong if they hold the line, most folks won't blame them considering the career he's had, and they will look weak if they give in. They want to avoid any of that 'same old Jets' stuff at all costs. The front office has looked pretty good for the past 1 1/2 years, and they're not going to make any foolish choices.
Fitz has put himself in this position, and if he doesn't figure out a way to deal with it he will find himself without a job (or working as a backup somewhere for much less money).
My "plan" is to get Fitz in the fold at a reasonable price and then pray like crazy that Geno (or either of the kids) pulls off a miracle and takes the starting gig away from him.
Do I think that will happen? No. But do I think it's crazy to bend to Fitz's demands just to get him to sign? You say "north of 9 million" -- I'd sign up for that in a heartbeat, but apparently $12M isn't enough so I'm not sure what you're thinking.
And if you think fans don't "hate" Geno, I'm not sure what thread you've been reading . . .
Any idea why Elway didn't want him as his starting QB? Wouldn't he have been the perfect solution -- a quality QB (by your definition) to lead a SB-defending team, as well as the ideal mentor for Lynch? Yet he put a ceiling on him of $5M -- that doesn't tell you anything?
I have nothing against Fitz. He's a good enough option compared to what else we have on the roster. But I DON'T consider him a "quality QB" and have no desire to pay him like one, and it sure looks like the FO agrees with me . . .
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TL;DR: Fitz is better than Geno. Geno is unlikely to ever be as good as Fitz is now. Fitz should start.
And it's a bar Geno hasn't even come close to clearing. So I'm not sure how that's an argument in his favor. If Fitz is a mere journeyman QB, then why isn't Geno third string garbage? Fitz has had a hell of a lot more success in his career than Geno has.
The whole conversation is about how Jets fans should be hoping that Geno gets to be better than Fitz. He isn't, but we should all be hoping for it! So why stop there? As long as we're living in a fantasy, we may as well make it a good one.
I like that dismissal of everything I said. Think about the fact that you just told me that because the coaching staff hasn't cut Geno, it means you don't have to even address anything I said, or any of my arguments. Cool. As long as someone is on the roster, there is no basis for criticism of that player; ALL arguments will be brushed aside. There are no bad players in the NFL, just good players, and players with potential who we have to wait and see! And again, I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that there are many, many, MANY more people who could not be a quality NFL QB than those who can.
And again, the Jets obviously don't see him as an answer either now OR in the future, because they've drafted 2 QBs and want to resign Fitz. Not a vote of confidence.
They're all better than Geno. This is what I don't understand - no one wants those guys. We can recognize that they're not very good. They're ALL bettter than Geno, with the POSSIBLE exception of Gabbert, and NO, I don't want him as the QB either. So why the blind spot when it comes to Geno? Geno has to improve to get to be as good as those guys. I'm just not understanding how saying those guys aren't very good is an argument that Geno should be playing, since he's worse than them. If the point is that QB play in the NFL sucks, well, that's a different issue.
It's just dishonest to downplay Fitz by calling him "a journeyman QB with a sub-500 record and NO playoff starts" while trying to talk up Geno saying "he went 8-8." And you know that you're doing it, and you know why you're doing it. Because if you described them in any other way, the gulf between Fitz and Geno becomes enormous. It reminds me of Joe Pesci describing the prosecution's case in My Cousin Vinnie .... it's a paper thin argument that only looks solid if you view it from a very specific angle. The only way you can put Geno in the same conversation as Fitz is by downplaying Fitz's ACTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS and wildly inflating the importance of Geno's paltry on-field accomplishments (he went 8-8 being the only positive thing you could say about him in that or any year, that and he had a great game Week 17 against the Dolphins in a game that no one cared about, and it was pretty clear, no one was trying in).
And even then, it isn't close. Fitz blows Geno out of the water. You know as well as I do that Geno is sub .500 in his career, and has no playoff starts, and would be lucky to catch on with enough teams to even be a journeyman. And that Fitz just had the best year of his career, and broke all sorts of Jets records in doing so, and that Geno would be LUCKY to have half the career that Fitz has had. And I mean that quite literally ... Geno would have to get to 21 wins in his career, and 77 career TDs to put up exactly HALF of Fitz's career. Does anyone actually think he's going to do that? I sure don't. 21 wins, maybe (but they're hard to come by, when you're not starting). 77 TDs, I doubt it.
Here's the point. Fitz is better than Geno. There's no argument about it. I want the Jets to WIN games, not pointless semantics arguments on message boards about whether he "seems" or "seemed" to improve or whatever pointless triviality people are arguing about on any given day. Fitz gives us a chance to win, a real one. Geno gives us a chance to win the way a lottery ticket does. I'll take the better odds, thank you. Going in to the season with Smith as the starter is like conceding to me. No, it doesn't mean we will go 0-16. It doesn't mean he can't complete a pass or throw a TD. It means that he doesn't have what it takes to go from training camp to the Super Bowl. I would eat my hat if Geno Smith ever wins the Super Bowl as a starter. I will eat my hat. Does anyone think that this will ever happen? Is there ANYONE out there who thinks Smith will win the Super Bowl? Is there ANYONE out there who thinks he can do it THIS YEAR??
And it's a bar Geno hasn't even come close to clearing. So I'm not sure how that's an argument in his favor. If Fitz is a mere journeyman QB, then why isn't Geno third string garbage? Fitz has had a hell of a lot more success in his career than Geno has.
The whole conversation is about how Jets fans should be hoping that Geno gets to be better than Fitz. He isn't, but we should all be hoping for it! So why stop there? As long as we're living in a fantasy, we may as well make it a good one.
I like that dismissal of everything I said. Think about the fact that you just told me that because the coaching staff hasn't cut Geno, it means you don't have to even address anything I said, or any of my arguments. Cool. As long as someone is on the roster, there is no basis for criticism of that player; ALL arguments will be brushed aside. There are no bad players in the NFL, just good players, and players with potential who we have to wait and see! And again, I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that there are many, many, MANY more people who could not be a quality NFL QB than those who can.
And again, the Jets obviously don't see him as an answer either now OR in the future, because they've drafted 2 QBs and want to resign Fitz. Not a vote of confidence.
They're all better than Geno. This is what I don't understand - no one wants those guys. We can recognize that they're not very good. They're ALL bettter than Geno, with the POSSIBLE exception of Gabbert, and NO, I don't want him as the QB either. So why the blind spot when it comes to Geno? Geno has to improve to get to be as good as those guys. I'm just not understanding how saying those guys aren't very good is an argument that Geno should be playing, since he's worse than them. If the point is that QB play in the NFL sucks, well, that's a different issue.
It's just dishonest to downplay Fitz by calling him "a journeyman QB with a sub-500 record and NO playoff starts" while trying to talk up Geno saying "he went 8-8." And you know that you're doing it, and you know why you're doing it. Because if you described them in any other way, the gulf between Fitz and Geno becomes enormous. It reminds me of Joe Pesci describing the prosecution's case in My Cousin Vinnie .... it's a paper thin argument that only looks solid if you view it from a very specific angle. The only way you can put Geno in the same conversation as Fitz is by downplaying Fitz's ACTUAL ACHIEVEMENTS and wildly inflating the importance of Geno's paltry on-field accomplishments (he went 8-8 being the only positive thing you could say about him in that or any year, that and he had a great game Week 17 against the Dolphins in a game that no one cared about, and it was pretty clear, no one was trying in).
And even then, it isn't close. Fitz blows Geno out of the water. You know as well as I do that Geno is sub .500 in his career, and has no playoff starts, and would be lucky to catch on with enough teams to even be a journeyman. And that Fitz just had the best year of his career, and broke all sorts of Jets records in doing so, and that Geno would be LUCKY to have half the career that Fitz has had. And I mean that quite literally ... Geno would have to get to 21 wins in his career, and 77 career TDs to put up exactly HALF of Fitz's career. Does anyone actually think he's going to do that? I sure don't. 21 wins, maybe (but they're hard to come by, when you're not starting). 77 TDs, I doubt it.
Here's the point. Fitz is better than Geno. There's no argument about it. I want the Jets to WIN games, not pointless semantics arguments on message boards about whether he "seems" or "seemed" to improve or whatever pointless triviality people are arguing about on any given day. Fitz gives us a chance to win, a real one. Geno gives us a chance to win the way a lottery ticket does. I'll take the better odds, thank you. Going in to the season with Smith as the starter is like conceding to me. No, it doesn't mean we will go 0-16. It doesn't mean he can't complete a pass or throw a TD. It means that he doesn't have what it takes to go from training camp to the Super Bowl. I would eat my hat if Geno Smith ever wins the Super Bowl as a starter. I will eat my hat. Does anyone think that this will ever happen? Is there ANYONE out there who thinks Smith will win the Super Bowl? Is there ANYONE out there who thinks he can do it THIS YEAR??
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And you know, the more I look at Fitz's numbers, I see that he struggled early in his career, too. So, maybe there's hope for Geno after all. I don't know. I just don't SEE it. I've never watched a player who was less enjoyable to watch on the field than him. And I don't believe he has EARNED another opportunity. If he gets it by default, well, whatever. I guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
I have no stake in him being bad. I want him to be good. And I'll happily admit to being wrong about him, if I am. I WANT to be wrong. But I don't find him fun to watch, and I just don't think he passes the eyeball test, or the numbers test. And I don't think he has the maturity and other intangible qualities that make a QB good. If it was just about having a good arm, it would be a lot easier.
I have no stake in him being bad. I want him to be good. And I'll happily admit to being wrong about him, if I am. I WANT to be wrong. But I don't find him fun to watch, and I just don't think he passes the eyeball test, or the numbers test. And I don't think he has the maturity and other intangible qualities that make a QB good. If it was just about having a good arm, it would be a lot easier.
Me and many Jets fans that have given up on Geno Smith and would absolutely love to be proven wrong. Honestly. Having it all click.
I hope your right about how you feel about him.
The fact of the matter is and i know you can understand this:
We've all been through this road with Smith via OTA''s and Mini camp. Why get excited over a player that when the bullets fly for real, he continues to make the same mistakes costing us games?
This is why i don't vouch for him as a starter. You can only fool a person so much in pads and shorts. Everyone looks great. Coaches will say what they need to say to the public, but the reality of the players scrutinization will always be held in-house RBF.
My vilification regarding Geno Smith is based on facts:
-Flippin his middle finger at his own fans
-Missing team meetings (west coast)
-Forcing throws into quadruple coverage time and time again.
-Getting punched by a teammate.
-Teammates vouching for another QB named Fitz instead of Smith.
-Saying he's a pro bowl QB (in 2014) when your team is struggling.
-No humility
-Turn over machine.
-Under performs in big games
-Erratic from one game to the next (you dont know what your getting week to week)
-No leadership skills in the locker room.
Also, the Jets are rumored to look at other options if Fitz isn't re-signed. What kind of vote of confidence is that from coaches regarding Smith? They also know what they have at hand.
Plus, we all know-Geno could be lights out in training camp. Though the moment Ryan re-signs, he will be relegated to being a back up. The coaching staff knows te best QB that gives this team the best chance to win a game is not named Geno Smith if Fitzpatrick is back.
For arguments sake, i hope your right about him. Though history regarding Smith makes me leery about trusting him.