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Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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Geno became delusional, years ago...
"New York Jets QB Geno Smith says his inconsistency has overshadowed his 'Pro Bowl flashes' NFL "
"New York Jets QB Geno Smith says his inconsistency has overshadowed his 'Pro Bowl flashes' NFL "
Are these videos "Hate" as many Geno Apologists claim?
No, they are 100% facts. From off the field to on the field. Geno Smith is the worst option to start the 2016 campaign. Especially with the schedule we have ahead of us. Though i'am sure that will be his next excuse...
"Oh, the opponents were lights out compared to Fitzpatricks opponents in 2015, thats why Geno didnt excel. I'am hearing that he's doing amazing in OTA's" -Says a Geno fan in 2017
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No, they are 100% facts. From off the field to on the field. Geno Smith is the worst option to start the 2016 campaign. Especially with the schedule we have ahead of us. Though i'am sure that will be his next excuse...
"Oh, the opponents were lights out compared to Fitzpatricks opponents in 2015, thats why Geno didnt excel. I'am hearing that he's doing amazing in OTA's" -Says a Geno fan in 2017
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So in your opinion Jets fans should WANT Geno to be worse than Fitz? Then I apologize for calling you nuts -- I just can't understand the logic.
I guess the difference is some here can want something to happen while realizing it likely won't. Others, because they believe it likely won't, don't even want to consider the possibility of it happening.
That probably didn't even make sense, but it did to me and it's enough for me to realize why this thread is a dead end . . .
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JohnnyBaseball1
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Yeah, and you should understand that saying that is completely pointless. I know a world where Geno steps up is better, too. We all agree with that. There's no reason to say it.
And understand further that I have already said: it is a cop out and the reason why it's annoying is because in the end, when the Geno "haters" are proven right, we won't get the satisfaction of being right, because you're not making a stand. Only we are. You're just arguing at people over something everyone already thinks, but there's no reason to talk about. It's a given that fans of their team want their players to step up.
This is a complete joke, considering I responded specifically to every point you've made. "Had nothing to do with what I was saying" is just not true. You don't like what I was saying about what you said, so you ignored it. It was on topic. I'm sorry you apparently don't like to read much. I'm not sure why you're on a message board, if that's the case. You could have picked any paragraph and responded to it, but you chose to respond only to the snarky things I said. Very, very weak.
So what, then, specifically, did I say that was wrong? I have no idea how or why I went wrong in your mind, because you didn't bother explaining your reasoning. No, you're too special to have to do that. You just come in with conclusions that we ALL have to accept, or else we're "nuts."
Except that, in the situation I described, it DOESN'T. If he plays good enough in practice to start, and then plays as bad in real games as he has in the past, then it was BAD that he looked good in practice. This is AT LEAST as plausible an outcome as the one where him being good in practice means he's good in real games, too. I can imagine more than one thing at a time.
So yes, I want to see him look good, but only if it means he's actually going to play well now. If it doesn't, then, no, I don't want him to look good in practice, because it prolongs his time with the team, and unless he plays better on the field, prolonging his time here is bad.
Maybe you read that, maybe you didn't. I have no idea, because you didn't acknowledge or respond to it, or anything I said.
What I've have said makes perfect sense. By the time I got to saying that, I was annoyed, because you ignored everything I said before that. I used the word "hate" because it's the word you used. You're implying a intense personal dislike of Geno, and I'm telling you, no, I don't hate him, because I don't know him, but I don't enjoy watching him play football, because I don't think he's very good. Why this means I hate him, or am totally unreasonable, I don't know?
Again, if this player isn't allowed to be criticized, then is there any player in the league who may be fairly criticized? Or is it ALL just good players, and players we're waiting to see if they develop? What is the point of having a message board at all if we're not allowed to have opinions, actual, honest to god opinions, about players?
So, again, you have absolutely no response to any of the points I made. Great. You win the argument, because I'll sure never bother responding to you again. Talking to you is a completely one way street where all arguments and points just fall into a black hole forever, not to be acknowledged. But where I get insulted at every turn, and it is implied that my presence is an "infestation" which, by the way, implies that I'm some kind of vermin, and is very insulting.
That's fine. Just don't post anything, or it won't be one anymore. Grown ups know how to read.
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JohnnyBaseball1
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Everyone acknowledges the possibility of it happening. You will NOT acknowledge that people don't want to waste time waiting for unlikely things to happen, when doing so means that we have to watch shitty football games and the Jets lose. That's the whole point. Lots of things could happen. We don't invest time and money and resources into seeing every possible outcome to its ultimate end, because it is a waste.
And I've considered the possibility of being wrong the whole time, remember, if I'm wrong, I'll have egg on my face. That's why it's annoying. NO matter what the outcome, you don't have to have egg on your face, because you're not making a stand.
OK, I'm done. Seriously. What a waste of time. I have to take my own advice now and stop wasting resources on a conversation that is totally unlikely to ever develop into a franchise conversation.
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I will end this by apologizing if anything I said offended you. I actually went back and deleted my last post when I realized how pointless it was, but you had already read/responded to it.
The funny thing is I LIKE debate. I have no problem admitting I don't know it all and enjoy hearing the other side of things. But when "the other side" includes comments about some foster kid's dream and eating mushrooms, I start to wonder if the conversation will go anywhere. Having said that, apparently my responses made you feel the same way so I guess perspective really is as powerful as they say it is.
In the end you're probably right -- the chances of us looking back on this season as Geno's redemption are slim at best. I just struggle giving up on someone before the team does. I like Fitz as a player and understand what he brings to the table. I know we're likely at our best if he's behind center. But because his "best" likely isn't good enough I can't help but hold out hope for a miracle, and Geno "looking good in shorts" helps keep that hope alive (by the slimmest of margins).
The season can't get here soon enough . . .
i'm. sorry, wut!! you're asking jet fans to want for something that already is.. fitzpatrick is the better QB.. what are you missing?? everyone but fitzpatrick gets credit for the 31 TDs he threw last season but fitzpatrick himself?? i was half joking about you hating fitzpatrick but i think i'm onto something.. again, if i "hate" smith, you most certainly "hate" fitzpatrick even more!!
you keep going on & on about a competition for the starting job the that simply does not exist.. if fitzpatrick doesn't re-sign, smith gets the job by default.. if fitzpatrick does re-sign, he will be the starting QB.. the head coach has said it.. the GM has made it clear he feels the same way.. both his star WRs have actively campaigned for it, as well as IMO, boycotted for it.. the highest paid player on defense wants fitzpatrick to finish what he started last season..
this thread is not a dead end.. the idea of a battle for the starting job is.....
I'm done arguing so I'll agree with you that Fitz is the best option for this team.
My original point was simply that Geno "looking good in shorts" couldn't possibly be a bad thing. Johnny Baseball countered with the idea that it can hurt the team by giving them false confidence, and while I disagree with the opinion, I definitely see the logic in it.
I choose to live in a world where a 3rd year QB with an improved CS/roster MIGHT turn a corner. I won't be devastated if he doesn't and I'm fully expecting to move on from him in the near future. But I just can't muster up enough "hate" (or any other word you want to use for the kid) to not even consider the possibility.
TBH I don't understand the "you must hate Fitz" angle, but I assure you I don't. I've said from the beginning I want him at a reasonable price. (I guess I've given up on that happening the same way you've given up on Geno improving). So the question is how much are we willing to pay before it's too much? I think that answer depends on what they see in Geno, which is more reason for me to hope he looks good.
But again, you and Johnny are most likely right and it's only a matter of time before it goes from opinion to reality . . .
the bolded has been our disconnect.. i've never said i haven't considered the possibility that the light just might have turned on for smith after a very trying last season.. & honestly i do in a way feel bad for the kid when he's interviewed.. because everything to me screams out either by body language & or facial expressions is the last thing the guy wants to do is be in front of all of these microphones answering tough/redundant questions.. he's not good at it & it's painful to watch.. so no, i take no joy in the media doing everything they can to try & make smith say something he probably shouldn't..
in any event, no hard feelings.. spirited debates on a message board is a good thing so long as we all remain respectful..
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JohnnyBaseball1
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I'm sorry for being rude. I lost my cool and I was wrong.
Thanks
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JohnnyBaseball1
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You got it. I will shut up now lol
june is arguably the slowest month of the year on football message boards..
LOLz at least we have something to talk/read about as redundant it might be..
you pumped for the walking dead season premiere??
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I can definitely vouch for you.
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Thanks Sack.
Now that cooler heads have prevailed, I will say this: I stand by the points I made. I'm sorry for being rude in making them, but I stand by what I said. Including the foster kid thing (which, for the record, was a description of the plot of the movie Angels in the Outfield), which was to say that the best way for Geno to improve is magic/divine intervention. That was meant to be amusing, but it pretty accurately indicates my feelings about his likelihood of being good enough to win the Super Bowl.
And the mushroom thing, too. It was an extreme example meant to show that sometimes, risks just aren't worth taking, even when there is potential that may go unrealized as a result of not taking the risk.
But again, I'm sorry! I don't like getting into actual arguments with people, I always feel bad afterward.
Now that cooler heads have prevailed, I will say this: I stand by the points I made. I'm sorry for being rude in making them, but I stand by what I said. Including the foster kid thing (which, for the record, was a description of the plot of the movie Angels in the Outfield), which was to say that the best way for Geno to improve is magic/divine intervention. That was meant to be amusing, but it pretty accurately indicates my feelings about his likelihood of being good enough to win the Super Bowl.
And the mushroom thing, too. It was an extreme example meant to show that sometimes, risks just aren't worth taking, even when there is potential that may go unrealized as a result of not taking the risk.
But again, I'm sorry! I don't like getting into actual arguments with people, I always feel bad afterward.
Problem is Fitz isn't good enough to win a SB and he will cost a hell of a lot more.