if fitzpatrick can match his numbers from last season & the defense goes from being good to special, i believe we'll be a playoff team..
you get hot in the playoffs & anything can happen.....
Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal
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you get hot in the playoffs & anything can happen.....
Fitz has to produce even better numbers and actually win a game that matters. I don't really care who plays QB, but none of our options are optimal.
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See, I think he is good enough. I don't think he could carry a team there, but I think he's one of those guys who, if he was with the right team, could finish the job without blowing it. It's still a major long shot, because I don't think we are that kind of team. I'm not very knowledgeable about the salary cap or our payroll. I'll assume paying him what he wants would be detrimental in some way, or else I think they would just sign him. If its to save money for Wilkerson, my gut tells me that he's not going to resign here, as he seems as outwardly unhappy here as any player I've ever seen since Derek Bell instituted Operation Shutdown.
But, yea, ultimately, I want a real, legit franchise QB, and finishing between 7-9 and 9-7 really doesn't help us get one. Sometimes, I feel like we'd be better off going 0-16 every year and getting the first overall pick until we find THE guy. But then I think about how crappy watching that would be.
But, yea, ultimately, I want a real, legit franchise QB, and finishing between 7-9 and 9-7 really doesn't help us get one. Sometimes, I feel like we'd be better off going 0-16 every year and getting the first overall pick until we find THE guy. But then I think about how crappy watching that would be.
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And, then, there's always the nuclear option ...
... we start cheating, like the Patriots. That will help us get better, fast, no matter who the QB is.
... we start cheating, like the Patriots. That will help us get better, fast, no matter who the QB is.
two things.. some won't buy into the idea that fitzpatrick's just might be a late bloomer & just might be able to continue to play at a competent level for 3 or 4 more years.. & if things really end up breaking right, petty & or hackenberg are ready to take fitzpatrick's job regardless..
& yes, we past on marino for o'brien but kenny really was a pretty damn good QB in his own right..
I can believe that since I saw it with my own eyes in Vinny T. The difference is Vinny had an incredible arm. Fitz is barely Chad in terms of arm strength. When it gets cold and last season was unusually warm, Fitz will struggle and he has proven that more than once. I've said it many times I would take Fitz at well below market value, but he is not worth anywhere near what he is asking.
It's mac's job to find a franchise qb and play him when he's ready. It's also his job to fit the puzzle pieces together that make up a championship team. Fitz is the puzzle piece until someone proves otherwise.
If Fitz doesn't sign, the Jets will still sign a 4th qb, that tells me a lot.
Sans Fitz, geno is the starter, but the guys who get paid big bucks don't trust him enough to extend him or name him the starter, and feel the need to add a 4th qb.
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If Fitz doesn't sign, the Jets will still sign a 4th qb, that tells me a lot.
Sans Fitz, geno is the starter, but the guys who get paid big bucks don't trust him enough to extend him or name him the starter, and feel the need to add a 4th qb.
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I'll take Chad Penningto over Fitz and Ken O'Brien with a good OL over Fitz
Those are also his stats over 3 years. The last year with Houston, Fitz played half a season and was on fire before rehabbing and also being on fire here.
The previous year he was on a terrible Tennessee team. So in maybe 40 starts, 16 Jets, 11 Houston, 12 Tennessee he put up similar numbers to guys with 48 starts on one team.
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great point. I havent even thought about that....
People are failing to realize that something may have clicked for Fitz. He's not elite but he is very capable with a good team. He has played with an absolute shit roster on both Hou and Ten.
I think Fitz is very capable, and his value to us is higher because of the real lack of quality starting qbs. Honestly, good qbs don't hit fa often, so short of drafting a franchise qb we'd have to hope someone breaks free and offer 25 mill a year.
Mac isn't extending geno, but also failed to extend Fitz right after his trade when we had leverage. Maybe Fitz wanted a prove it year who knows.
But mac's philosophy seems to be that he offers a fair value and doesn't haggle price. The intent being every future fa will smell blood and hold out. He's building a team, and beyond Revis, hasn't signed any giant deals which put us in cap hell. He's drafting well and signing high character guys at the right price, putting emphasis on cap flexibility.
He has an exit route every 2 years.
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Sandy Alderson of the Mets has a similar philosophy; he would decide what he believes a player's value is to the club, and then basically refuses to pay more than that ... and it's a good philosophy, because every negotiation has to have a walking away point, and it's good practice to stick with that. But part of the problem was the Sandy's appraisal of players' values were often significantly lower than what other teams were willing to pay. And so the idea comes from that that a player's value is whatever the market will be willing to pay for him.
And it is clear that the market for Fitz is not what he believes it to be. There's no shame in it, I just hope he realizes it soon.
And it is clear that the market for Fitz is not what he believes it to be. There's no shame in it, I just hope he realizes it soon.
There's no perfect strategy, but I think without a franchise qb and in a salary cap world. Mac is adapting his mentality to an nfl where players jump ship every couple of years.
Both guys rely on being right in the draft, a couple of busts and you're screwed.
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This brings up an interesting point about how important scouting and coaching/player development are, because you're right, a few busts and you're screwed ... but if you successfully hit on a few picks, and have the scouting to identify talent in the later rounds and the coaching to develop that talent, then you're in a wonderful position of flexibility. And those good young cores can then be supplemented by spending in the free agent market. So it's a gamble like anything else, but I like the approach, I think it has a good chance to work. It is the most "sound" way to build a franchise. Free agents can't comprise the core of the team, or at least, that rarely works out the way it looks like it should on paper ...
So far, I like Mac's approach. I don't follow college football really, so I can't evaluate our drafted players. But if the offseason is like a game, I like the way he plays it.
Frankly we are the market... and while I like Fitz, I don't believe he is worth $10-12 mil a year. At this point I am tired of the drama and will to take my lumps with Geno or Petty if that is what the FO decides.
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Yeah, Fitz has to realize that this is it ... I don't see any teams lining up to offer him anything.
I would have the Jets pay $12 million to get Fitz, if it doesn't mean harming the organization financially going forward. Hell, I'd pay him a billion dollars, if it didn't mean harming the organization. It's not my money. But no, if he has to fit within a framework, and paying him this much would blow up the plan that the organization has, then he isn't the type of player that is worth doing that for. He's part of a plan, not the player you plan around. But he did have a very good season, I can understand why he wants to be paid, and I understand why he thinks he has leverage in this negotiation.
My feelings on Geno are clear; I would hate to have to watch him. But (shrug) you gotta go with the guys you have, and he's a guy we have. I'll certainly change my tune very quickly if he plays well.
Looking at the schedule, this year could be tough - I'm not sure this is the right year to splurge on any players, QB or not ... but I hope he comes back for less, because I do think he's our best option right now.
No teams are lining up, but if anybody big gets injured in camp, he will be on the short list. So it's the smart move on his part, to wait it out. His worst case scenario, 24 mill from the Jets, best case, a bid war erupts before the season.
If he signs 3 years with the Jets, anything less than Drew Brees type years will most likely mean he won't get another big contract.
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In all fairness, he went 5-1 in the last six games.
Do you really only count Week 17 as mattering?