Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[flgreen]

Lol, true very true! However, I'll also tell them that they'll win 9 maybe 10 games and Fitz will fail them like he's done last year and every year before and I bet most will believe it.

I think Mangold's, Marshall's, and Decker's reaction to Fitz walking into that meeting the other day totally disproves your opinion.

BTW, if you are going to can Fitz because he hasn't been to the play offs, and has been on several teams you'll have to do the same with Marshall. Exact same scenario.

What a bum Marshall is, can't keep a job, and never been to the playoffs.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I think Mangold's, Marshall's, and Decker's reaction to Fitz walking into that meeting the other day totally disproves your opinion.

BTW, if you are going to can Fitz because he hasn't been to the play offs, and has been on several teams you'll have to do the same with Marshall. Exact same scenario.

What a bum Marshall is, can't keep a job, and never been to the playoffs.

Not sure you can compare a WR to the "leader" of the team.


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[jets82]

I think Mangold's, Marshall's, and Decker's reaction to Fitz walking into that meeting the other day totally disproves your opinion.

BTW, if you are going to can Fitz because he hasn't been to the play offs, and has been on several teams you'll have to do the same with Marshall. Exact same scenario.

What a bum Marshall is, can't keep a job, and never been to the playoffs.

Nah, totally different IMHO. BMarsh has played for four different teams with numerous QBs and had very good to excellent seasons with them all. He will be a HOFer or should be anyway so how is this same? Fitz stats have been medicro at best the majority of his career with six different teams. So how is this compatible?

 

[jets82]

you seem to be taking a page out of the smith supporters "conjecture" playbook..

Not quite sure what you mean by this but if your saying that I believe Fitz will flop like we all know Geno will, then I agree!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Not quite sure what you mean by this but if your saying that I believe Fitz will flop like we all know Geno will, then I agree!

You and I have been in agreement on Fitz's mediocrity. However, he is the best option which sucks, but its the truth. I think he brings way more leadership than talent and can help the young QB's and I think he takes the mentor role seriously. I don't believe Fitz can close the deal either, but if he can keep us competitive and teach the young QB's how to read a defense and be a pro then its worth a one year deal IMO. And if he tanks then one of the young guys can be thrown into the fire while Fitz is the backup.

 

[jets82]

You and I have been in agreement on Fitz's mediocrity. However, he is the best option which sucks, but its the truth. I think he brings way more leadership than talent and can help the young QB's and I think he takes the mentor role seriously. I don't believe Fitz can close the deal either, but if he can keep us competitive and teach the young QB's how to read a defense and be a pro then its worth a one year deal IMO. And if he tanks then one of the young guys can be thrown into the fire while Fitz is the backup.

Sounds good to me and makes since. Can't argue this at all. I can go with this. I'm just hopeful this year goes fast so we can move on.

 

[mykcuz]

Wow, the negatively on here is astounding. We didn't drop any QB's, we just added one. "The chef needs groceries"

We didn't drop anybody, the gm ads players that improves the team and fits the system, the coach takes those players and chooses who plays. Any qb can go out and prove he's worth being the starter. We just added a horse to the stable and you guys just act like mac decimated the team.

Petty and hack are well served to have this time to compete and learn. Their talent isn't going anywhere. And they always have the chance to turn heads if one of them truly is ready. You never know when you're card will be called.

Fitz happened to be the best fa qb available, and Mac clearly doesn't feel the kids are ready this year, and very clearly is confident one of them will start next year. What do you want?to just tank the season?

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[Jetgreg]

Wow, the negatively on here is astounding. We didn't drop any QB's, we just added one. "The chef needs groceries"

We didn't drop anybody, the gm ads players that improves the team and fits the system, the coach takes those players and chooses who plays. Any qb can go out and prove he's worth being the starter. We just added a horse to the stable and you guys just act like mac decimated the team.



Petty and hack are well served to have this time to compete and learn. Their talent isn't going anywhere. And they always have the chance to turn heads if one of them truly is ready. You never know when you're card will be called.

Fitz happened to be the best fa qb available, and Mac clearly doesn't feel the kids are ready this year, and very clearly is confident one of them will start next year. What do you want?to just tank the season?

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You say that we didn't drop any QBs we just added one. Really? If we do not go with four QBs we are going to drop a developmental QB (Petty or Geno) for a mediocrity. If we do keep four QBs we are going to cut another young player such as perhaps a Dion Simon, a Deion Barnes, a Jalin Marshall or some other young kid for a one year mediocre rental. There is a big cost to this if we think beyond just today.

You also say that any qb can go out and prove he's worth being the starter. I hope you don't believe that because even Bowles says that is not the way it is. Geno can be lights out (and the other 31 GMs will notice and we will lost him for nothing) and Bowles is going with Fitz unless something drastic happens. (His words). And do you think Bowles would show up Mac by sitting a $12million bust on the bench. Even if Fitz goes 1 and 4 I think they will stick with him until the season is lost. That is the problem with all of this.

And to say we didn't drop anybody embodies the shortsightedness of this decision. You just took away $12 million from an already tight 2017 cap. (Jason says that we are already over the 2017 cap). If we just sat tight we could have rolled the extra 2016 cap money over and saved the restructuring we just did. Next year everyone will be whining when we have to scour the bottom for minimum type players in free agency all so that we can have the privilege of Fitz for one year. And if he has a decent year he will want $20 million per year and Mac will probably mortgage the following 3 years to give it to him and everyone will be so pleased how 36 year old Fitz is more proven than Petty or Hack and is more likely to help our "win now" team and gives us the best chance for that season.

And when people say win now team this is almost the same team as last year's team. Was that a win then team because if it was our hero choked it up big time in Buffalo. Where are we much improved over last year. Linebacking maybe but the young kids have to gel. The OL is the same basically and the DL lost Snacks and the secondary is basically the same minus Cro and the receivers added a couple of young guys. Everything else is just hoping someone develops unexpectedly.

Finally I am sick of hearing how his friends (Marshall, Decker, Revis and Mangold) are happy to have him back. Do you think the NE coach takes a popularity poll before he makes a personnel decision? This move is so wrong on so many levels it makes my head spin. I am most concerned about what this means for the next few years of this team with these guys in charge. They are betting that tomorrow won't come. But it always does.

 

[mykcuz]

You say that we didn't drop any QBs we just added one. Really? If we do not go with four QBs we are going to drop a developmental QB (Petty or Geno) for a mediocrity. If we do keep four QBs we are going to cut another young player such as perhaps a Dion Simon, a Deion Barnes, a Jalin Marshall or some other young kid for a one year mediocre rental. There is a big cost to this if we think beyond just today.

You also say that any qb can go out and prove he's worth being the starter. I hope you don't believe that because even Bowles says that is not the way it is. Geno can be lights out (and the other 31 GMs will notice and we will lost him for nothing) and Bowles is going with Fitz unless something drastic happens. (His words). And do you think Bowles would show up Mac by sitting a $12million bust on the bench. Even if Fitz goes 1 and 4 I think they will stick with him until the season is lost. That is the problem with all of this.

And to say we didn't drop anybody embodies the shortsightedness of this decision. You just took away $12 million from an already tight 2017 cap. (Jason says that we are already over the 2017 cap). If we just sat tight we could have rolled the extra 2016 cap money over and saved the restructuring we just did. Next year everyone will be whining when we have to scour the bottom for minimum type players in free agency all so that we can have the privilege of Fitz for one year. And if he has a decent year he will want $20 million per year and Mac will probably mortgage the following 3 years to give it to him and everyone will be so pleased how 36 year old Fitz is more proven than Petty or Hack and is more likely to help our "win now" team and gives us the best chance for that season.

And when people say win now team this is almost the same team as last year's team. Was that a win then team because if it was our hero choked it up big time in Buffalo. Where are we much improved over last year. Linebacking maybe but the young kids have to gel. The OL is the same basically and the DL lost Snacks and the secondary is basically the same minus Cro and the receivers added a couple of young guys. Everything else is just hoping someone develops unexpectedly.

Finally I am sick of hearing how his friends (Marshall, Decker, Revis and Mangold) are happy to have him back. Do you think the NE coach takes a popularity poll before he makes a personnel decision? This move is so wrong on so many levels it makes my head spin. I am most concerned about what this means for the next few years of this team with these guys in charge. They are betting that tomorrow won't come. But it always does.

We dropped our second punter for Fitz, I'm fine with that. We probably will carry 4 QB's this year, odds are the roster drop is equivalent to a practice squad player.

You are wrong on your cap numbers, so can't really argue that point, nobody was restructured for Fitz, mo was on the franchise tag and then signed a5 year deal.

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[Jetgreg]

We dropped our second punter for Fitz, I'm fine with that. We probably will carry 4 QB's this year, odds are the roster drop is equivalent to a practice squad player.

You are wrong on your cap numbers, so can't really argue that point, nobody was restructured for Fitz, mo was on the franchise tag and then signed a5 year deal.

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Now I see what the problem is. You don't think we lost $12 million of cap flexibility next year. Well we did. First we had about $6 million of cap space this year which cannot now be rolled over to help next year. And we did restructure something. It just hasn't been announced yet. Mo's signing only gave us about $5.7 million relief and after we signed Lee that left us about $6 or $7 million of cap room. Next March when you are upset that we can not only sign anybody good but we maybe cannot re-sign one of our players (Milliner if he does well for example) I will remind you that there was a cost, a big cost, for the imaginary one or two extra wins that Fitz is going to bring us.

 

[flgreen]

IMO the reason that Fitz is a valuable member of the team, and well worth 12 M this year to the Jets, is the same reason that smith will more then likely be on the team for his final year as a NY Jet.

This is a veteran, win now team. Clearly, Macc, and Bowles think that Fitz is the best QB available, and gives them, by a wide margin, the best chance to win. smith is in the same situation, but for the back up role. That is the reason that Bronx is probably right, that he will be on the team this year. The statements made by both Bowles, and Macc yesterday speak volumes.

1) Fitz WILL be the starting QB. NOTHING that happens in practice will change that.

2) Macc ASSUMES that smith will be on the team in September.

3) Bowles says right now, smith is the #2, it will take an excellent camp by Petty, or Hack, to change that. It's not chiseled in stone the way Fitz's starting job is. The one way smith is booted, is if Petty, or Hack play close to his level. (possible)

The idea that paying 12 M dollars to a QB, who can take the Jets to the play offs is wasting cap money is silly. For a starting QB 12 M is chump change. The argument that Fitz has never been to the play offs, so he can't take a team to the play offs this year is also silly. Almost as silly as the argument last year that because Fitz had never had a winning season in his career meant he would never have a winning season.

At this point in time I just can't call geno smith a developmental QB. Odds are he'll be on the team this year, but there is a very slim chance, very slim, that he will be on the Jets next season. Fitz has a much better chance of being on the team then smith does. The FO/CS doesn't want him, and he doesn't want to be here. smith said it best. "he's auditioning for 31 other teams".

If a few things happen, like the Jets stay healthy, the OL holds up, and they get through the fist half of the season close to 500, IMO they have an excellent chance to do some damage in the play offs.

I just don't understand the logic in paying a QB 12M, on a one year contract, who won 10 games last year, set several team passing records, plus the team loves, and believes in him, destroying your cap for future years, when the cap is projected again to go up big next year. Plus some big contracts start coming off the books if they desire

In all honesty I think that Macc and Jackie Davidson have done a great job in putting the Jets in a win now situation, while adding , what appears to be some genuine young, high character, talent. With limited cap space this year. They will have cap room next year.

:global (27):

Another good job Macc

 

[mykcuz]

IMO the reason that Fitz is a valuable member of the team, and well worth 12 M this year to the Jets, is the same reason that smith will more then likely be on the team for his final year as a NY Jet.

This is a veteran, win now team. Clearly, Macc, and Bowles think that Fitz is the best QB available, and gives them, by a wide margin, the best chance to win. smith is in the same situation, but for the back up role. That is the reason that Bronx is probably right, that he will be on the team this year. The statements mde by both Bowles, and Macc yesterday speak volumes.

1) Fitz WILL be the starting QB. NOTHING that happens in practice will change that.

2) Macc ASSUMES that smith will be on the team in September.

3) Bowles says right now, smith is the #2, it will take an excellent camp by Petty, or Hack, to change that. It's not chiseled in stone the way Fitz's starting job is. The one way smith is booted, is if Petty, or Hack play close to his level. (possible)

The idea that paying 12 M dollars to a QB, who can take the Jets to the play offs is wasting cap money is silly. For a starting QB 12 M is chump change. The argument that Fitz has never been to the play offs, so he can't take a team to the play offs this year is also silly. Almost as silly as the argument last year that because Fitz had never had a winning season in his career meant he would never have a winning season.

At this point in time I just can't call geno smith a developmental QB. Odds are he'll be on the team this year, but there is a very slim chance, very slim, that he will be on the Jets next season. Fitz has a much better chance of being on the team then smith does. The FO/CS doesn't want him, and he doesn't want to be here. smith said it best. "he's auditioning for 31 other teams".

If a few things happen, like the Jets stay healthy, and the OL holds up, and the get through the fist half of the season close to 500, IMO they have an excellent chance to do some damage in the play offs.

I just don't understand the logic in paying a QB 12M, on a one year contract, who won 10 games last year, set several team passing records, plus the team loves, and believes in him, destroying your cap for future years, when the cap is projected again to go up big again next year. Plus some big contracts start coming off the books if they desire

In all honesty I think that Macc and Jackie Davidson have done a great job in putting the Jets in a win now situation, while adding , what appears some genuine young, high character, talent. With limited cap space this year. They will have cap room next year.

:global (27):

Another good job Macc

Agreed, and while I also like the mix of talented young players and win now veterans, I think mac also has us in a nice spot worth draft picks that will rotate in as the old guys rotate out. It's not like one year a bunch of guys will be gone and some kids will have to sink or swim, it's a great transitional roster.

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[skop]

I feel the same about Hack and that's why I want to see what he can do. I was hopeful that he would pick up enough to be a starter this year like Russell Wilson did with Seattle but if he ain't ready, then he ain't ready. No the Jets didn't miss out on Brady or Breez but Fitz ain't even a Matthew Stafford. I believe anyway! Put any two average WRs with Fitz last year and the Jets would have won 6-7 games at most and Fitz would not have had the season he did. Point being, he didn't make the receivers, they made him. Fitz is playing with a HOFer in Marshall and potential in Deck. If they made Fitz into what he was last year then why couldn't they do it with the others? Hack and Petty mainly.

I bet that Hack, if we had a bell weather back with proven credentials "at the prime of his career", could step in and do what Roethlisberger did for PITT his rookie year...seems to have those tools.

I am glad we don't have to find out.

As to Deck & Marsh making Fitz, I can see that, but only to a point. Those two guys lay it out for Fitz, get in line for Fitz, and as a sure fire HOFer & borderliner that they are, make certain other members of the O do the same.

You can't fake being the leader, and as ardent of a sanchez fan that I was (still hopeful for him), he didn't possess in his whole body what Fitz has in his little toe.

*Tell me if I am wrong, but it seemed like that offense that was full of talent started slow often until Fitz made one his patented, reckless, "how the F did he stick his face in there" runs, and then the whole O got rolling?

Last point...I am not calling him Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, or anything, but Fitz did start playing his best ball when Ivory got dinged up. That tells me something- Fitz leads because Fitz can carry a team if need be during crucial times in a game & his supporting cast will make sure of it.

There is a reason that our main guys wanted their main guy back.

 

[jets82]

I bet that Hack, if we had a bell weather back with proven credentials "at the prime of his career", could step in and do what Roethlisberger did for PITT his rookie year...seems to have those tools.

I am glad we don't have to find out.

As to Deck & Marsh making Fitz, I can see that, but only to a point. Those two guys lay it out for Fitz, get in line for Fitz, and as a sure fire HOFer & borderliner that they are, make certain other members of the O do the same.

You can't fake being the leader, and as ardent of a sanchez fan that I was (still hopeful for him), he didn't possess in his whole body what Fitz has in his little toe.

*Tell me if I am wrong, but it seemed like that offense that was full of talent started slow often until Fitz made one his patented, reckless, "how the F did he stick his face in there" runs, and then the whole O got rolling?

Last point...I am not calling him Johnny Unitas, Dan Marino, or anything, but Fitz did start playing his best ball when Ivory got dinged up. That tells me something- Fitz leads because Fitz can carry a team if need be during crucial times in a game & his supporting cast will make sure of it.

There is a reason that our main guys wanted their main guy back.

As much as I want to debate and argue this, I guess I really can't. You have a point here I must admit. I'm just SO READY to move on to a young franchise or potential franchise QB. The Jets and we fans deserve it. Haven't had one since Broadway Joe and the closest we came after that was Pennington IMO. I didn't think Todd or Obrien was in that franchise talk. Besides, for all the good Fitz did last year he did fail us when it counted and I'm betting he'll do it again. Wasn't just the last game of the season. The Jets should have won the first Bills game, Eagles and Texans but Fitz had a lot to do with those losses. If my memory serves me correct. I can only think of two losses where Fitz either did his part or no matter what he did, they would have lost anyway because the defense played like like shit! That was the Raiders and Pats game, if I'm correct.

 

[mykcuz]

I'm pretty sure this thread has reached its end.

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[TebowCan'tThrow]

I feel Fitz will not be even close to as successful as last year. I sure hope I'm wrong. Just like fans point out that Geno has never been successful and has shown his true colors, I feel Fitz has shown over a long career to really struggle in cold weather, big games and vs. good opponents. He has a chance to show me something and change my mind if he can go 5-1 or 4-2 or at least 3-3 in the first six games. If he struggles like vs. Buffalo last year twice or the countless other times vs. good teams in the past then I will be ready to move on this year or next year. At the end of the day the defense will have to play lights out vs. some pretty good offenses to keep the games close. The most telling stat I have heard about Fitz is that he is 16-61 when other teams score 17 or more points.

I trust Fitz more than Geno. I like Fitz as a leader and as a mentor. I also know Geno has never played with real weapons. I trust Mac and Bowles to make the right decisions. I'm ready to get the season started to see what this team can do. We have a lot of talent so that won't be the issue.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Holy smokes,

Has anyone heard of Brad Johnson



Trent Dilfer:



Mark Rypien:



Jim McMahon:




If anyone on this board is telling me that withis this team, a strength at almost every position can't win with a QB that actually mirrors these previous ones: None franchise QB's that have won superbowls..That we can't with Ryan Fitzpatrick, in exchange to give younger inexperienced signal callers some game time experince so that we can continue in this Jets endless circle of not winning the big one, then i'am sorry... I have to strongly disagree.

Fitzpatrick is the right guy at the right time just as the aforementioned QB's to lead this team to it's second Lombardy trophy, this year.

Lets do this already! Go JETS!

 

[ReallyBigfan]

Wow! You hit the nail on the button and right through it and I couldn't have said it better myself. I wasn't even thinking the cap space route but you nailed it. This is a phenomenal post and makes me see Mac in a different light now. The cap space issue didn't cross my mind at all. I honestly was giving Mac the benefit of the doubt that he is just thinking about winning now with vets who are prime, able and ready to win now and using a young QB might mess that up. I disagree with that because I believe Hack, Petty or even Geno could play average and the weapons around them could guide and carry them to success.

No, not a SB but success none the less. Which is except able because they are all young but Fitz is not. It's win a SB with him or it's pointless for him to be on the field at his age, with now playing on his six team and never making the playoffs period! Now I'm not a Geno fan anymore but I will admit he didn't have a chance his first two years with those garage weapons he had. Beside Decker, what else did he have and Decker was recovering from injuries that year also. Ivory was hurt off and on and so was Powell. Geno had no one else. Last year he had a chance to show his worth and he screwed that up and that's what turned me off to him.

Overall you nailed and I agree with you 1000 percent. This team may be filled with ready vets to win now but Fitz and the QB to win with. They will win win 9-10 games, if there lucky and I mean VERY LUCKy and they will lose round one in the playoffs. So what's the point here! Fitz ain't Vinny and if we were talking about Vinny that would be a different story. Vinny had franchise QB written all over him but didn't accomplish it for what ever reason. His few years with the Jets wee saw it at his age. We don't have that with Fitz, sorry to disappoint people but we just just don't. My take and probably my take only!

Okay, with all due respect, you guys seem not to understand the nuances of cap management at all. First of all, with what appeared to be be very little cap maneuverability for this season, Mac seems to have improved practically every unit on the team and still left himself cap room in case of injury, etc.. Second of all, I don't have time to go into the details, but search for yourselves and see how the Jets' expiring contracts are working going forward, factor in some rise in the cap, and you will understand that the Jets are actually in great cap shape for the future. I think that Mac has already proven that he is far from over his head. He gets it.

 

[Bigmoe]

Holy smokes,

Has anyone heard of Brad Johnson



Trent Dilfer:



Mark Rypien:



Jim McMahon:




If anyone on this board is telling me that withis this team, a strength at almost every position can't win with a QB that actually mirrors these previous ones: None franchise QB's that have won superbowls..That we can't with Ryan Fitzpatrick, in exchange to give younger inexperienced signal callers some game time experince so that we can continue in this Jets endless circle of not winning the big one, then i'am sorry... I have to strongly disagree.

Fitzpatrick is the right guy at the right time just as the aforementioned QB's to lead this team to it's second Lombardy trophy, this year.

Lets do this already! Go JETS!

Agree
Some of the comments :" Fitz will flop". " Hope the season goes fast"
"See what Geno can do with weapons" " Start hack or Petty"

Are all mind boggling

The new NFL is a worst to first league players and teams come out of nowhere to win and teams that are supposed to win don't .
We have our QB back who won 10 games last year
That's a good thing

I sat through 3 straight 3-11 seasons in the 70s and
I cant imagine how some of these fans would handle that.

Let's Go Jets!

 

[mykcuz]

Holy smokes,

Has anyone heard of Brad Johnson



Trent Dilfer:



Mark Rypien:



Jim McMahon:




If anyone on this board is telling me that withis this team, a strength at almost every position can't win with a QB that actually mirrors these previous ones: None franchise QB's that have won superbowls..That we can't with Ryan Fitzpatrick, in exchange to give younger inexperienced signal callers some game time experince so that we can continue in this Jets endless circle of not winning the big one, then i'am sorry... I have to strongly disagree.

Fitzpatrick is the right guy at the right time just as the aforementioned QB's to lead this team to it's second Lombardy trophy, this year.

Lets do this already! Go JETS!

Well, I would just suggest that dilfer,McMahon, and Payton manning in Denver were sub par super bowl QB's because of elite defenses.

Not sure if we will get there this year, but we do have some good pieces, and our offense is better than the Ravens and broncos were. We are more balanced than they were, but so are some other tans this year.

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