Fitzpatrick Thread -- Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jets agree to 1-year, $12M deal

[SackExchange]

A once in a career season for him.


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No, it wasn't. This is simply ignoring facts.

His last season in Houston, through 12 games, he put up similar numbers. And he had relatively comparable numbers twice under Gailey.

Last season was so far a career year, but it was not an outlier. It was not miles ahead of anything else he has done, and to say it was is flat-out lying.

 

[SackExchange]

for what it's worth, these guys seem pretty OK with it.....

I love the background...is that Decker? That is hilarious.

 

[jetgreen13]

I love the background...is that Decker? That is hilarious.

yep, that's decker..

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

No, it wasn't. This is simply ignoring facts.

His last season in Houston, through 12 games, he put up similar numbers. And he had relatively comparable numbers twice under Gailey.

Last season was so far a career year, but it was not an outlier. It was not miles ahead of anything else he has done, and to say it was is flat-out lying.

Lets keep that into perspective as well. He threw 6 TD's in one game vs the Titans who have been awful for a long time. Prove it to me vs good to great teams not the crap teams he can pad his stats against. And the only thing that matters to me is Fitz has never won a playoff game or played in one. He is a mentor to the younger guys, but Fitz has seen his ceiling. I hope I'm wrong, but he gets one year to prove it I guess. If he can get them to playoffs with this schedule I will be sold.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I really like Fitz and he is the best option for the Jets, but I just think he has a ceiling in his play and therefore should have a ceiling for his contract. I don't care what we pay him for 1 year. I'm glad Mac did the right thing and made it a one year deal and make him prove it that he is worth another one year deal. Mac has done a great job managing and sticking to his plan so far.

 

[skop]

Lets get it. This team is built to win...and win now. I couldnt care less that the schedule is "TOUGH". Hell every Jets fan knows it, once we start beating these "Tough" teams, the media will come out and be negative and say something like, the Jets are lucky to beat these teams because these other teams arent the same as last year.


"F" that! As a die hard Jets fan just like you guys i say... BRING IT!! Cause i know for a fact, these Jets will Bring the Fire to every game against these fools.

12-4... i said it when the schedule came out and i'll say it again 12-4 baby!

This will be one helluva season..for the ages! Vinny and the Jets 2.0

That's what I am talking about, Dan!!! Everyone keeps saying how toughy woughy our schedule is. Those teams have to play a faster, deeper team that won 10 games last year with more TB type players on it. I can't wait to see what we look like on D this year with the added speed at LB. I also can't wait to see Fitz with Powell & Forte surrounding him most of the game & coming out of the backfield.

I hope teams see the Jets on the schedule and circle a win...they might get it, but it's no gimme. We were a (Bills game II) career making hit from a safety in the final seconds, and poor choices to go for it on 3 trips to the RZ (Bills game I) from the playoffs. Throw a drop from #15 in the endzone in their and you're truly looking at three losses that could've easily been wins.

I am not saying we're celebrating in Feb, but this is a better team than are given credit for.

Last thing, Sack is right!! Fitz has produced and might just be hitting his stride later than most QBs, but has put together very solid seasons...last year might just be the beginning of his prime.

J-E-T-S...jets, jets, jets!!!

 

[SackExchange]

Lets keep that into perspective as well. He threw 6 TD's in one game vs the Titans who have been awful for a long time. Prove it to me vs good to great teams not the crap teams he can pad his stats against. And the only thing that matters to me is Fitz has never won a playoff game or played in one. He is a mentor to the younger guys, but Fitz has seen his ceiling. I hope I'm wrong, but he gets one year to prove it I guess. If he can get them to playoffs with this schedule I will be sold.

Well, the schedule largely balances out over a larger sample size. It seems to be selective cherry picking to claim that the numbers don't matter because they only came against bad teams. If you're going to do that, you can manipulate any evidence to fit your own preconceived notions.

I'll opt for the hard evidence, the numbers.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Well, the schedule largely balances out over a larger sample size. It seems to be selective cherry picking to claim that the numbers don't matter because they only came against bad teams. If you're going to do that, you can manipulate any evidence to fit your own preconceived notions.

I'll opt for the hard evidence, the numbers.

Thats ok that we disagree. I'm taking his whole average career not just his one or two good seasons.

 

[SackExchange]

Thats ok that we disagree. I'm taking his whole average career not just his one or two good seasons.

And it is fair to take his whole career. That is fair, and he hasn't exactly been overwhelming.

My issue is with the argument that last season was so out-of-character for him, that not only was it a career year, but it was an outlier, an anomaly. The facts simply don't support that argument.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

And it is fair to take his whole career. That is fair, and he hasn't exactly been overwhelming.

My issue is with the argument that last season was so out-of-character for him, that not only was it a career year, but it was an outlier, an anomaly. The facts simply don't support that argument.

I just think that there is way more average from Fitz than good. Maybe in a small sample of two years he might have turned it around. We will find out this season which is why I really like the one year deal.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I love the background...is that Decker? That is hilarious.

Fitz needs to chop some of that lettuce off.

That is a serious quiff.

 

[gastineau]

Fitz is back means 1 thing at best. AT his best this year .......Fitz can get us another 1 game from making the Playoffs & then pass 3INT's to get Jets knocked out.

 

[Bigmoe]

if petty can play football > bag of rocks..

I'll take it. Let's go!

That was a fast turnaround

 

[jets82]

Lets get it. This team is built to win...and win now. I couldnt care less that the schedule is "TOUGH". Hell every Jets fan knows it, once we start beating these "Tough" teams, the media will come out and be negative and say something like, the Jets are lucky to beat these teams because these other teams arent the same as last year.


"F" that! As a die hard Jets fan just like you guys i say... BRING IT!! Cause i know for a fact, these Jets will Bring the Fire to every game against these fools.

12-4... i said it when the schedule came out and i'll say it again 12-4 baby!

This will be one helluva season..for the ages! Vinny and the Jets 2.0

Wow 12-4 huh? That's optimistic to say the least and I love the enthusiasm. I say more like 9-10 wins at most if were lucky and I mean VERY LUCKY but I'll take 12 wins with a smile from ear to ear. Question is, will Fitz be able to do anything in the playoffs after the 12 wins or will he flop like he did game 17 last year and like he's always done his NFL career?

 

[jets82]

Fitz is back means 1 thing at best. AT his best this year .......Fitz can get us another 1 game from making the Playoffs & then pass 3INT's to get Jets knocked out.

Lol, that's the way I see it!!!!

 

[mykcuz]

Lol, that's the way I see it!!!!

Would you prefer a4 win season by geno?

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[Jetgreg]

While everybody or most people seem to want to hip hip whoray about this one year signing just answer this question for me are the Jets going to win the Super Bowl this year with Fitz now let me put the disclaimer out there that I know the Jets wouldn't win a Super Bowl with Geno, Hack or Petty I'm not even quite sure that they would make the playoffs with those guys but if the Jets arent going to win the Super Bowl with Fitz then what's the point so maybe the Jets make it to the first round of the playoffs and get knocked out in a wild card (so what) I'm not happy about the signing at all unless the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl with Fitz then this is pointless to me I would rather the Jets play this year with one of the young quarterbacks to see what we have in whoever is the best one that wins in training camp and preseason games and if you want to talk about the bridge quarterback thing with Fitz and allowing either Petty or Hack the opportunity to sit another year then Geno could have done that which would've gave us an opportunity to see if Geno progressed and learned anything I'm sure I'm probably the only one who feels this way and that's cool I have no problems with being the lone dog on this one but just my opinion that's all

I could not agree with you more. Let's assume that somehow the Jets with a marginally improved team and a tougher schedule make the playoffs when they could not last year with the easiest schedule that I can remember. And let's assume that Fitzpatrick who could not beat the Bills last year to get in the playoffs wins a game or two on the road in the playoffs. Now what? Who is our quarterback next year? Do we sign this guy at age 35 to a three year $60 million contact? Even if Mac thought that was sane (and he could) the Jets do not have the cap space. So next year the jets go back to sucking for the remote chance we are going to have a one off very good year this year. I hate that thinking.

Unfortunately I have come to the reluctant conclusion that Mac is over his head and has no clue how to build a team for long term sustainable success. In fact he is way over his head. The two most important factors for sustainable success are having a very good long term (i.e. young) quarterback and cap room flexibility. In his two years at the helm he has shown me that he thinks neither one of these is important. In the first two years of his regime he is going to give all of the starting QB snaps to an aging mediocre QB rather than letting the three young QBs have a chance. The thing with Geno is sometimes you have to go through growing pains with a young QB and suffer for a year or two. We have done that. Rather than giving him a chance with Gailey and these weapons and take a chance that they can develop the long term solution T QB he has opted for the short term one year solution. For what? So we can be impressed that the Jets went 9 and 7 or 10 and 6? This is his vision in building a team?

Also, we are already over the cap for next week. Therefore if Milliner has a great year he is still gone because we cannot pay him. If Marshall gets hurt and falls off the table we cannot go out and get a stud to replace him. If Clady gets hurt and we have to get two new tackles we don't have the money to replace him. Just like we could not replace Breno this year. This team does not have a good prognosis beyond possibly this year and I doubt how much Fitz is going to bring to the table this year. I am as depressed as I can remember for a long time because if you have a gm who does not value cap space and who has no interest in developing a long term solution at QB then the team's future for the next few years until the next dog and pony show for a gm is pretty bleak. And I am usually a homer who sees a half full glass and thinks it is overflowing. Not this time. If year after year we are going to have no cap space to improve the team and year after year we are going to settle for journeyman at the QB position it is hard to get pumped about the future.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

While everybody or most people seem to want to hip hip whoray about this one year signing just answer this question for me are the Jets going to win the Super Bowl this year with Fitz now let me put the disclaimer out there that I know the Jets wouldn't win a Super Bowl with Geno, Hack or Petty I'm not even quite sure that they would make the playoffs with those guys but if the Jets arent going to win the Super Bowl with Fitz then what's the point so maybe the Jets make it to the first round of the playoffs and get knocked out in a wild card (so what) I'm not happy about the signing at all unless the Jets are going to win the Super Bowl with Fitz then this is pointless to me I would rather the Jets play this year with one of the young quarterbacks to see what we have in whoever is the best one that wins in training camp and preseason games and if you want to talk about the bridge quarterback thing with Fitz and allowing either Petty or Hack the opportunity to sit another year then Geno could have done that which would've gave us an opportunity to see if Geno progressed and learned anything I'm sure I'm probably the only one who feels this way and that's cool I have no problems with being the lone dog on this one but just my opinion that's all

Now if we knew this and had the inside scoop, we'd all be millionaires in Vegas on the night of February 6th 2017.

This signing gives the team the best chance to win it all. Sure Ryan Fitzpatrick is a journey man Quarterback, but so were so many others that had excellent teams surrounding an average QB that had great leadership qualities in the locker room.

Jim McMahon
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson

Then you had QB's that late in their respective careers it clicked and their maturation helped the team around them, even though they didn't win a super bowl, the ride as a fan was well worth it instead of being a cellar dweller:

Vinny Testaverde
Rich Gannon
Stan Humphries
Erik Kramer
Jim Harbaugh (Colts)

My argument isn't to cause a rift whatsoever Jets82, what i'am trying to focus on is taking a one step at a time approach. The signing of a veteran like Ryan FItzpatrick has a major significance in so many facets:

1) Keeping the team relevant and competetive.

2)Have the younger QB's learn from a true proffesional. Not dumping them in the fire ala Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith, in which if they don't blossom by game 7 of their 1st or second year, the pitch forks come out (like me and many other Jets fans did with Geno).

3)Also it helps the younger QB to know what the standard is at prepping and maintaining yourself respectable on and off the field once the chance comes along.


No need to press the fast forward button on Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg. They're too young and inexperienced. In saying so, year two, i expect Bryce to step up his game and show some sort of progress this pre season from 2015.

Unfortunatley, Geno Smith was thrown to the wolves and there is much debate over him that i will not go into or i'll over take three pages here. But why would you salvage a season doing the same to these other kids as we tried that approach already in 2009 & 2013?

This team is built to win now. Look at every position. We're solid. Sure our schedule is tough, but make no mistake, Mike Maccagnan has set this team up to competet with the best of them.
A QB like Fitz has won superbowles in the past, why couldnt history repeat itself again.... I have a feeling it will. :global (42):

 

[mykcuz]

Now if we knew this and had the inside scoop, we'd all be millionaires in Vegas on the night of February 6th 2017.

This signing gives the team the best chance to win it all. Sure Ryan Fitzpatrick is a journey man Quarterback, but so were so many others that had excellent teams surrounding an average QB that had great leadership qualities in the locker room.

Jim McMahon
Mark Rypien
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson

Then you had QB's that late in their respective careers it clicked and their maturation helped the team around them, even though they didn't win a super bowl, the ride as a fan was well worth it instead of being a cellar dweller:

Vinny Testaverde
Rich Gannon
Stan Humphries
Erik Kramer
Jim Harbaugh (Colts)

My argument isn't to cause a rift whatsoever Jets82, what i'am trying to focus on is taking a one step at a time approach. The signing of a veteran like Ryan FItzpatrick has a major significance in so many facets:

1) Keeping the team relevant and competetive.

2)Have the younger QB's learn from a true proffesional. Not dumping them in the fire ala Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith, in which if they don't blossom by game 7 of their 1st or second year, the pitch forks come out (like me and many other Jets fans did with Geno).

3)Also it helps the younger QB to know what the standard is at prepping and maintaining yourself respectable on and off the field once the chance comes along.


No need to press the fast forward button on Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg. They're too young and inexperienced. In saying so, year two, i expect Bryce to step up his game and show some sort of progress this pre season from 2015.

Unfortunatley, Geno Smith was thrown to the wolves and there is much debate over him that i will not go into or i'll over take three pages here. But why would you salvage a season doing the same to these other kids as we tried that approach already in 2009 & 2013?

This team is built to win now. Look at every position. We're solid. Sure our schedule is tough, but make no mistake, Mike Maccagnan has set this team up to competet with the best of them.
A QB like Fitz has won superbowles in the past, why couldnt history repeat itself again.... I have a feeling it will. :global (42):

Finally, a rational person.
The nfl isn't MLB. In baseball, you can year a team down trade players, and hoard picks. In football, you have a guy for a couple of years in a rookie deal. You can't take five years to build the team. And football has a salary cap.

In football, you always have holes that you need to cover up, it's up to the 2nd and 3rd string to step up or not in the nfl. And is not a science, packers won a Super Bowl wroth like 20 guys on injured reserve.

Every nfl team accepts they will have holes and they will have injuries through the year. It's not just the Jets.

Our cap is actually in good shape going forward, I think less than 3 players are signed past 2018, and Fitz deal is technically split between this year and next. And his signing shows you exactly what this front office thinks of geno.

Mac believes we have a top 10 defense that is super bowl ready. We have playmakers at several key positions, and we have aqb that has great chemistry with the offense. That's better than most nfl teams.

Yes our schedule is stacked with criminally short weeks against tough teams, but you gotta play the games, and next year sends to be when they believe one of the kids will be ready to start. I'd imagine we go wr and lt the next 2 years in the first round, to pair with our young qbs.

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[maxmet]

what do you mean that Fitz deal is split between next two seasons? how does that work?