What if Fitz carries over from last year and has a 2 to 1 TD ratio? That would have us competing for division if that happened. I will wait to tank after week 6.
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What if Fitz carries over from last year and has a 2 to 1 TD ratio? That would have us competing for division if that happened. I will wait to tank after week 6.
Yup, the circus is back in town. But this time the HC and GM have nothing to due with it. Atleast I don't see it that way. Hopefully we can still win 10 plus games and that will curb the drama. Especially if its with one of our rookie QBs. That will really have the circus leaving town PERIOD. But thats to much like perfect and just not the Jets way of things happening.
I definitely don't want Vick. Geno sat behind him before and apparently didn't learn much.
Vick is a lefty thrower so the patterns, plays and even the blocking schemes are different. I'd rather he spend time on the bench watching a smart QB who is familiar with the system and is a righty thrower. Sitting behind and watching Fitzpatrick will aid Geno a lot.
If they have to bring in another QB, it should be a righty thrower, too.
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Vick is a lefty thrower so the patterns, plays and even the blocking schemes are different. I'd rather he spend time on the bench watching a smart QB who is familiar with the system and is a righty thrower. Sitting behind and watching Fitzpatrick will aid Geno a lot.
If they have to bring in another QB, it should be a righty thrower, too.
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Yea overdue!!
co signing with those who said none smith's teammates tried to intervene when a backup LB is having a heated argument over $600 beans with the starting QB is a sign of complete lack of respect/his ability to lead the team..
almost like the vets said "i hope IK does whoop your punk ass.."
almost like the vets said "i hope IK does whoop your punk ass.."
I would like to hear what Brandon Marshall thinks.
hopefully "next man up.."
Okay, the JaMarcus Russell thing was facetious, but all kidding aside, I think we should just go with Petty, and I say that knowing he's not ready, but IMO it still makes more sense than Fitzpatrick and shooting for mediocrity.
It will expedite his learning curve, get some of the growing pains out of the way, and by seasons end we'll know if he has a future or not, or at least have a much better idea. Who cares if we lose. We're gonna lose anyway. We're not making the playoffs, and certainly not winning a championship with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Even if Petty goes 2-14, that will only put us in a better position to nab a franchise QB in the draft.
Or maybe by some miracle Petty out-performs expectations and by seasons end he's playing a high level. Not impossible.
It will expedite his learning curve, get some of the growing pains out of the way, and by seasons end we'll know if he has a future or not, or at least have a much better idea. Who cares if we lose. We're gonna lose anyway. We're not making the playoffs, and certainly not winning a championship with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Even if Petty goes 2-14, that will only put us in a better position to nab a franchise QB in the draft.
Or maybe by some miracle Petty out-performs expectations and by seasons end he's playing a high level. Not impossible.
We might be mediocre, but if thats the case then we would have been with Geno too. Fitz will hopefully carryover from last season and the defense will end up playing lights out hopefully. Why are fans so devastated in losing the worst QB the last two years?? I wanted to see what Geno had, but the team will be fine with Fitz with just as much potential to sneak into playoffs as with Geno.
This incident reveals a complete lack of leadership in this locker-room.
First, don't confuse talent with leadership. We have plenty of talent on this team, young talent and veteran talent, but if there was any leadership in this locker-room there is no way this situation escalates to the degree that it did, resulting in a broken jaw for the starting QB and the media converging on this organization for its buffoonery, if not outright anarchy.
This situation has been festering for quite some time, WE KNOW THAT NOW, this goes back to some charity event Geno committed too and backed out of, and apparently there's been hard feelings over money (a measly six-hundred dollars) thats been lingering since that event. YOU KNOW more people than just Geno and IK knew about it.
Common sense, that type of situation doesn't linger on a team and nobody else knows about it.
How some veteran, NOT EVEN ONE, didn't step in to defuse this situation in all of this time, and allowed it to escalate to this stage, is mind-boggling, and its a million times worse if there were veteran players, OR ANY PLAYERS FOR THAT MATTER, in the vicinity when this incident took place and NOT ONE stepped in to defuse the situation.
This speaks to a case of 53+ men taking 53+ separate cabs. Guys who are only concerned with themselves, not the team, so they mind their own business in a situation that was screaming out for an adult and a leader to smooth things over.
Lastly, I'm sorry but you can't excuse the Head Coach. Ultimately the buck stops with him. If he didn't know a situation was brewing, then he's not plugged into the pulse of his own team and he has no players he can rely on to tell him when something requires his attention, and if he did know about it, its a huge indictment that he didn't mediate the situation and put it to rest before anarchy broke out. Either way, this reflects poorly on the Head Coach and it if was Rex the media would be saying he's lost control of the team, especially following the Sheldon Richardson debacle.
First, don't confuse talent with leadership. We have plenty of talent on this team, young talent and veteran talent, but if there was any leadership in this locker-room there is no way this situation escalates to the degree that it did, resulting in a broken jaw for the starting QB and the media converging on this organization for its buffoonery, if not outright anarchy.
This situation has been festering for quite some time, WE KNOW THAT NOW, this goes back to some charity event Geno committed too and backed out of, and apparently there's been hard feelings over money (a measly six-hundred dollars) thats been lingering since that event. YOU KNOW more people than just Geno and IK knew about it.
Common sense, that type of situation doesn't linger on a team and nobody else knows about it.
How some veteran, NOT EVEN ONE, didn't step in to defuse this situation in all of this time, and allowed it to escalate to this stage, is mind-boggling, and its a million times worse if there were veteran players, OR ANY PLAYERS FOR THAT MATTER, in the vicinity when this incident took place and NOT ONE stepped in to defuse the situation.
This speaks to a case of 53+ men taking 53+ separate cabs. Guys who are only concerned with themselves, not the team, so they mind their own business in a situation that was screaming out for an adult and a leader to smooth things over.
Lastly, I'm sorry but you can't excuse the Head Coach. Ultimately the buck stops with him. If he didn't know a situation was brewing, then he's not plugged into the pulse of his own team and he has no players he can rely on to tell him when something requires his attention, and if he did know about it, its a huge indictment that he didn't mediate the situation and put it to rest before anarchy broke out. Either way, this reflects poorly on the Head Coach and it if was Rex the media would be saying he's lost control of the team, especially following the Sheldon Richardson debacle.
Or maybe IK is just a thug and a douche. He does have a history and a record. I'm going to let this play out. I actually put most of the blame on Geno because he is supposed to be the leader of the team. I hope this team can bond together. Otherwise it's just another wasted season.
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I totally agree that the main culprits here are the actual participants, Geno and IK, that goes without saying TCT, but this wasn't a spontaneous thing that came out of nowhere, apparently this situation has been festering for quite some time, and I can't understand how some or at least one of the veterans didn't grab these two a-holes by the shirt collar and say; Geno, PAY THE KID HIS MONEY, NOW!!!, and lets put this shit to rest, NOW!!, because we're trying to win football games here, we don't have time for this bullshit. Thats how a healthy locker-room with strong veteran leadership would have handled it.
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It's unfair to start Petty, he is not ready and you would do more harm than good. The only choice is for Fitzpatrick to start. I think Fitzpatrick can be OK, he has talent around him and is familiar with Gailey's offense.
As for Geno, I'm not sure we will ever seem him again as QB of the NYJ.
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Wait
We lost the worst QB in the league for the last two complete seasons for 8 to 10 weeks and replaced him with a QB who protects the ball better and makes fewer mistakes, is way smarter and has played in the new OCs system for 3 or more years.
And we have the rookie we drafted in May learning and now getting better reps with better players.
And some are acting like the world has ended, we should tank the season and give up?
I'm gonna let Ham sleep on this because he is one of the best posters in history and is someone I'll always respect and admire. My guess is he will give the situation some rational thought and realize that our chances of success are now better with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB than they would have been with another year of backwards running, behind the back fumbles, running out of the EZ for safeties, throwing nearly twice as many picks as TDs and being 32nd in the league in red zone efficiency
We are in a better starting QB situation this morning than we were this time yesterday
Let's Go Jets
We lost the worst QB in the league for the last two complete seasons for 8 to 10 weeks and replaced him with a QB who protects the ball better and makes fewer mistakes, is way smarter and has played in the new OCs system for 3 or more years.
And we have the rookie we drafted in May learning and now getting better reps with better players.
And some are acting like the world has ended, we should tank the season and give up?
I'm gonna let Ham sleep on this because he is one of the best posters in history and is someone I'll always respect and admire. My guess is he will give the situation some rational thought and realize that our chances of success are now better with Ryan Fitzpatrick at QB than they would have been with another year of backwards running, behind the back fumbles, running out of the EZ for safeties, throwing nearly twice as many picks as TDs and being 32nd in the league in red zone efficiency
We are in a better starting QB situation this morning than we were this time yesterday
Let's Go Jets
Last season he had 11 TDs and 8 INTs until he played the Titans at home and threw 6 TDs in that one game and completed 73% and had a career game against the 2 win Titans...kicked his stats up to 17-8, 2 weeks later, broken leg. if not for that career game...which apparently wasn't enough for O'brien to keep him...his would have been a very ordinary looking stat line in 2014...but he did have that game and hopefully has a few of them for us this year...
Ofcourse you would say this. Guess you finally got what you wanted and if the story is what it truly is, it appears that Geno pretty much didn't want to pay a guy back money he owed him. Shows a true lack of leadership and accountability, so for that reason maybe he shouldn't even be our starter. But please don't act like Fitz is better then Geno talent wise because that ain't true.
so far the first team o vs. first team d went what 10 practices with out an into. yesterday the 1st team d had a field day picking off Fitz and batting away his passes. Let's hope he just needs to get up to speed and that yesterday is not a sign of whats to come.
do you really think we were winning a championship with geno at QB?
i really don't get the sky-is-falling attitude from some here. while i was willing to give geno a final chance to see if he could make the step up to a decent, let alone above average QB, we are talking about losing the guy who has statistically ranked as one of the worst QBs in the entire nfl the last 2 years.
i'm not saying fitz is a savior and will lead us to the promise land. but honestly, my pre-season prediction was an 8ish win team depending on QB play. and honestly, even with the switch at QB, i'm not changing that prediction.
i recognize some say that 8-8 is nowhere's land as it's not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to draft a franchise QB. but i will be willing to bet every penny to my name that bowles and macc have zero interest whatsoever in tanking the season to get the top pick. so put away the woe-is-us attitude and the wanting to suck for hack.
we have a very good defense. we have a solid running game. we have a greatly improved receiving corps. and we should have a much improved o-line. we have new coaches and a new GM and a new team. there's no reason to think that this team can't be competitive, and possibly even compete for the playoffs. certainly going from geno to fitz doesn't hurt those chances. the team didn't add marshall and revis and cro and the others just to tank the season.
the WSJ had an interesting article today on fitz. long and short was that fitz's cumulative passer rating over the last 3 years would rank only behind chad between 02-04 and o'brien between 85-87 as the best 3 year cumulative ranking for any jets QB going back to the beginning of the namath era in 65. granted the jets haven't had great QB play in our history, but the sky isn't falling. fitz can be a capable game manager who knows gailey's system and he has just as much (if not more) chance of leading the jets to the playoffs than the guy who ranked near the bottom in nfl passer rating the last 2 years.
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Geno Smith has broken jaw, but Ryan Fitzpatrick may be better for Jets
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Tuesday, August 11, 2015, 4:29 PM Updated: Wednesday, August 12, 2015,
Geno Smith is expected to be out six to 10 weeks with a broken jaw after being punched by teammate.
SCHAUMBURG, Ill. — Geno Smith now has plenty of time to go to the movies. Maybe he can take in a double feature.
Nobody deserves to get sucker punched in the face and get his jaw broken in his own locker room, especially over a mere $600, but can you imagine anybody ever having the nerve to do that to Tom Brady (well, Roger Goodell has sucker punched him), Peyton Manning or Eli Manning?
All QBs wear hands-off red jerseys in practice. Jets QBs need to wear them in the locker room, too.
It not only says a lot about the lack of respect Smith commands on his own team, but it also sends a message to rookie coach Todd Bowles: Institute a culture change real fast.
Bowles is a disciple of Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs, two of the best leaders of the last 30 years, and the Jets’ quick decision to cut linebacker IK Enemkpali was essential.
The Jets are self-destructing before they get to their first preseason game, which is unusual even for them.
“It takes JPP out of the headlines,” Giants owner Steve Tisch said in the hallway at the league meetings here.
Bowles on Geno Smith injury
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Smith will be out six to 10 weeks with an injury not nearly as serious as Jason Pierre-Paul having his right index finger amputated after his fireworks mishap. But in the NFL world of the “next man up,” it gives journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick an opportunity to win the job when Smith desperately needed to be on the field trying to convince Bowles, offensive coordinator Chan Gailey and GM Mike Maccagnan that he can play.
I spoke to one longtime NFL personnel source Tuesday who insisted the Jets are better off with Fitzpatrick, even if Fitzpatrick is 32 and the Jets are his fourth team in four years. “I think the Jets are better now,” he said.
IK Enemkpali is released by the team following the punch.
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IK Enemkpali is released by the team following the punch.
But there’s a reason Fitzpatrick, a Harvard man, has bounced around so much: He may be elite in the classroom, but he’s not brilliant on the field.
“I don’t have any confidence in Smith,” the source said. “Smith makes no sense with a new staff. He’s a slow learner, and the Jets are in position to win now. They are a unique team. They are not in rebuilding mode. They have retooled and did a nice job in the draft and in free agency. They were very aggressive and they are going to compete.”
Then came the biggest indictment of Smith. “Fitzpatrick gives them the best chance to win,” he said. “He is not going to beat them. He’s been in that role before and he’s been successful in Buffalo and to a degree with the Texans. He’s come out of the bullpen. You can game plan with him. He’s a much better fit. He can’t throw the ball deep but he’s got a lot of moxie.”
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Fitzpatrick played relatively well for the Texans last season, starting 12 games and going 6-6. He had 17 touchdowns, eight interceptions and a quarterback rating of 95.3. By comparison, Smith was 3-10 last year with 13 touchdowns, 13 interceptions and a quarterback rating of 77.5.
Now Fitzpatrick takes over a Jets team that is ready to win, except at quarterback. Whether Fitzpatrick can play well enough not to hurt the Jets, or Maccagnan brings in Rex Grossman or brings back Michael Vick, this is by far the Jets’ weakest position.
“Fitzpatrick is marginal at best,” another personnel source said. “But I don’t believe in the other guy, the guy who just got his jaw broken. Can the Jets be competitive? Yes. There are only a couple of upper echelon quarterbacks, then there’s everybody else.”
Eagles backup Matt Barkley has been available in the past and now that he appears to be losing the No. 3 job to Tim Tebow, Chip Kelly could be ready to take a mid-to-late round pick for him. If Matt Simms is the odd man out in Buffalo, he could get cut and come back to the Jets. Kirk Cousins (Washington) and Mike Glennon (Bucs) could also be available in a trade.
Geno Smith Out 6-10 Weeks After Getting 'Sucker Punched' in Jets Locker Room
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Of course, this isn’t the first time the Jets have faced an unfortunate and bizarre quarterback injury. Matt Robinson beat out Richard Todd for the starting job in 1979, but he jammed his right thumb messing around with teammate Bobby Jones a few days before the opener. He kept the injury a secret and then told coach Walt Michaels he hurt the thumb on a hotel door. Michaels played him anyway and Robinson threw an overtime interception that led to the Browns’ winning field goal.
Two years ago, Rex Ryan, trying to win the coveted Snoopy Bowl in a preseason game against the Giants, inserted Mark Sanchez into the game in the fourth quarter behind a patchwork offensive line and he got his shoulder blown up.
In each case, neither Robinson nor Sanchez played for the Jets again.
Will the same thing happen to Smith? If nothing else, he can figure that out at the movies. Get your popcorn ready.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Published: Tuesday, August 11, 2015, 4:29 PM Updated: Wednesday, August 12, 2015,
Geno Smith is expected to be out six to 10 weeks with a broken jaw after being punched by teammate.
SCHAUMBURG, Ill. — Geno Smith now has plenty of time to go to the movies. Maybe he can take in a double feature.
Nobody deserves to get sucker punched in the face and get his jaw broken in his own locker room, especially over a mere $600, but can you imagine anybody ever having the nerve to do that to Tom Brady (well, Roger Goodell has sucker punched him), Peyton Manning or Eli Manning?
All QBs wear hands-off red jerseys in practice. Jets QBs need to wear them in the locker room, too.
It not only says a lot about the lack of respect Smith commands on his own team, but it also sends a message to rookie coach Todd Bowles: Institute a culture change real fast.
Bowles is a disciple of Bill Parcells and Joe Gibbs, two of the best leaders of the last 30 years, and the Jets’ quick decision to cut linebacker IK Enemkpali was essential.
The Jets are self-destructing before they get to their first preseason game, which is unusual even for them.
“It takes JPP out of the headlines,” Giants owner Steve Tisch said in the hallway at the league meetings here.
Bowles on Geno Smith injury
SNYTV
Smith will be out six to 10 weeks with an injury not nearly as serious as Jason Pierre-Paul having his right index finger amputated after his fireworks mishap. But in the NFL world of the “next man up,” it gives journeyman Ryan Fitzpatrick an opportunity to win the job when Smith desperately needed to be on the field trying to convince Bowles, offensive coordinator Chan Gailey and GM Mike Maccagnan that he can play.
I spoke to one longtime NFL personnel source Tuesday who insisted the Jets are better off with Fitzpatrick, even if Fitzpatrick is 32 and the Jets are his fourth team in four years. “I think the Jets are better now,” he said.
IK Enemkpali is released by the team following the punch.
ROBERT SABO/NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
IK Enemkpali is released by the team following the punch.
But there’s a reason Fitzpatrick, a Harvard man, has bounced around so much: He may be elite in the classroom, but he’s not brilliant on the field.
“I don’t have any confidence in Smith,” the source said. “Smith makes no sense with a new staff. He’s a slow learner, and the Jets are in position to win now. They are a unique team. They are not in rebuilding mode. They have retooled and did a nice job in the draft and in free agency. They were very aggressive and they are going to compete.”
Then came the biggest indictment of Smith. “Fitzpatrick gives them the best chance to win,” he said. “He is not going to beat them. He’s been in that role before and he’s been successful in Buffalo and to a degree with the Texans. He’s come out of the bullpen. You can game plan with him. He’s a much better fit. He can’t throw the ball deep but he’s got a lot of moxie.”
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Fitzpatrick played relatively well for the Texans last season, starting 12 games and going 6-6. He had 17 touchdowns, eight interceptions and a quarterback rating of 95.3. By comparison, Smith was 3-10 last year with 13 touchdowns, 13 interceptions and a quarterback rating of 77.5.
Now Fitzpatrick takes over a Jets team that is ready to win, except at quarterback. Whether Fitzpatrick can play well enough not to hurt the Jets, or Maccagnan brings in Rex Grossman or brings back Michael Vick, this is by far the Jets’ weakest position.
“Fitzpatrick is marginal at best,” another personnel source said. “But I don’t believe in the other guy, the guy who just got his jaw broken. Can the Jets be competitive? Yes. There are only a couple of upper echelon quarterbacks, then there’s everybody else.”
Eagles backup Matt Barkley has been available in the past and now that he appears to be losing the No. 3 job to Tim Tebow, Chip Kelly could be ready to take a mid-to-late round pick for him. If Matt Simms is the odd man out in Buffalo, he could get cut and come back to the Jets. Kirk Cousins (Washington) and Mike Glennon (Bucs) could also be available in a trade.
Geno Smith Out 6-10 Weeks After Getting 'Sucker Punched' in Jets Locker Room
NY Daily News
Of course, this isn’t the first time the Jets have faced an unfortunate and bizarre quarterback injury. Matt Robinson beat out Richard Todd for the starting job in 1979, but he jammed his right thumb messing around with teammate Bobby Jones a few days before the opener. He kept the injury a secret and then told coach Walt Michaels he hurt the thumb on a hotel door. Michaels played him anyway and Robinson threw an overtime interception that led to the Browns’ winning field goal.
Two years ago, Rex Ryan, trying to win the coveted Snoopy Bowl in a preseason game against the Giants, inserted Mark Sanchez into the game in the fourth quarter behind a patchwork offensive line and he got his shoulder blown up.
In each case, neither Robinson nor Sanchez played for the Jets again.
Will the same thing happen to Smith? If nothing else, he can figure that out at the movies. Get your popcorn ready.
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