Geno Smith Out 6-10 Weeks

[Lakerfan80]

Rex loved this guy and I can see him bringing him into Bill's camp.

In my opinion Geno Smith may be done as a Jet as well.

I think Geno is done, not right away, but I don't think he will see the field again this season. He embarrassed the orginization and the fanbase. IK? Who the hell is he? I don't want to see Geno out there in a Jets uniform. There are plenty of young guys, recently drafted soon to be drafted, with the same or better talent than Geno.

 

[flgreen]

Got to admit, the NYDN is really something

 

[jets82]

Okay, the JaMarcus Russell thing was facetious, but all kidding aside, I think we should just go with Petty, and I say that knowing he's not ready, but IMO it still makes more sense than Fitzpatrick and shooting for mediocrity.

It will expedite his learning curve, get some of the growing pains out of the way, and by seasons end we'll know if he has a future or not, or at least have a much better idea. Who cares if we lose. We're gonna lose anyway. We're not making the playoffs, and certainly not winning a championship with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Even if Petty goes 2-14, that will only put us in a better position to nab a franchise QB in the draft.

Or maybe by some miracle Petty out-performs expectations and by seasons end he's playing a high level. Not impossible.

I agree with you to a certain extent however; Petty has to so some signs of being half way ready at the least in training camp and pre-season. If he can't do that then let him sit for a year, watch and learn. This way we don't destroy his future as well. With the team we have, you would think any average/half way decent kind of QB play will help this team win 10 games at the least. If Petty can do that then play him.

If he can't then don't and let him learn. I was expecting and hoping Geno could give us something to hold onto and be proud of this year but it didn't happen so we move on. I'm with you and hopefully Petty shows something legit to make the coaches play him. If so then great but don't force it if it ain't there. I would rather see a cheerleader or janitor be the QB for our team then Fitz because I know he isn't our future. But I don't want to destroy this kids future either.

 

[flgreen]

Geno Smith Wasn’t Better Than His Backup

7:42 PMAUG 11, 2015 By NEIL PAINE



FRANK FRANKLIN II / AP
In the most surreal bit of sports news to hit Tuesday’s wires, Geno Smith, the incumbent starting quarterback for the New York Jets, is going to miss six to 10 weeks with an injury. And it wasn’t just any kind of injury; it was the kind you get when a teammate punches you and breaks your jaw.

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, now-cut linebacker IK Enemkpali slugged Smith because he failed to reimburse Enemkpali for a $600 plane ticket. Jets fans — at least, Jets fans in the FiveThirtyEight office — rejoiced. But coming into the preseason, this Jets team showed at least a vague sense of promise. Are the Jets really better off without Smith?

Last year, New York went 4-12 (3-10 under Smith) with one of the NFL’s worst passing offenses, and Smith was pretty bad for the second straight season. In fact, his career has gotten off to one of the worst starts of any QB since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger. Although Hall of Famers Troy Aikman and Terry Bradshaw kicked off their careers with equally bad passing efficiency numbers, it’s far more likely that Smith is a talent on par with, say, Kyle Boller than that he’s harboring hidden star potential.

And while Smith will be 25 this season, an age at which QBs still show a decent amount of improvement, the typical aging curve wouldn’t even carry Smith to league-average status at his peak.

Meanwhile, the Jets’ backup quarterback isn’t a bad one. Longtime Buffalo Bills starter Ryan Fitzpatrick occupied the seat behind Smith and — statistically speaking — he’s probably a better QB than the man slated for the huddle, at least in the short term. Over the past two seasons (when he was with the Houston Texans and the Tennessee Titans), Fitzpatrick’s Total QBR1 of 54.1 was better than Smith’s 41.2 mark during that span, and Fitzpatrick’s cumulative ProFootballFocus grade of +11.3 vastly outpaced Smith’s total of -37.3. By the numbers, the Jets are better off with the glass-jawed Smith out of the game, holding a clipboard on the sidelines.

Of course, these kinds of assessments always come with the caveat that individual football statistics are obscured by countless interactions, coaching decisions and other contextual factors. And the Jets did add a good receiver over the offseason, Brandon Marshall, so it’s possible Smith would have improved significantly in 2015 had he not run afoul of Enemkpali’s fist. But Jets fans shouldn’t worry too much about what might have been: The team’s offense will probably be better with Fitzpatrick under center than it would have been with Smith.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...-got-punched-in-the-face-2/?ex_cid=538twitter

 

[SackExchange]

I actually agree with Leberfeld.

" Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers

Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan have nothing to do with Jets history. They just got here. They need to ignore the historians and forge ahead."

 

[Lakerfan80]

Geno himself proved the Jets are better off without him...camp performance aside, I just trust Fitz much more as the QB.

 

[flgreen]

Bart Scott: Jets’ Locker Room Incident Shows ‘Everybody’s Not In Geno’s Corner’
August 12, 2015 8:27 AM


NEW YORK (WFAN) — When Bart Scott played in the NFL, he was known as one of the toughest, most fierce competitors in the league.
So he knows a thing or two about respect, competitiveness, fighting and ugly locker roomincidents.
The former Jet and CBS NFL analyst joined WFAN co-hosts Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton in studio Wednesday morning to discuss Geno Smith, who had his jaw broken by Ikemefuna Enemkpali in the locker room on Tuesday morning.

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The two teammates — now former teammates, as Enemkpali was released following the incident — were reportedly arguing about money. Smith will be sidelined at least 6-10 weeks.
Scott told Boomer & Carton that the incident is an indictment of how Smith is perceived by his teammates in the locker room.
“This is what’s alarming to me, and this is what says a lot about the locker room and the amount of respect and the level of respect that Geno gets,” the former Pro Bowler said. “Usually you defuse that situation, and usually people will defuse it early.
“The fact that it was allowed to go on, and there was an argument, lets you know that everybody’s not in Geno’s corner … Sometimes people want people to get into confrontations. But if it was somebody that people respected, they would have defused it immediately.”

The Jets Are Better Off Sans Geno

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With Smith out, Ryan Fitzpatrick will take over as the Jets’ starting quarterback to begin the season. There’s also a chance that general manager Mike Maccagnan will bring in another quarterback before New York’s season opener against the Browns on Sept. 13
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“Who was in the locker room?” Scott said. “Who watched it happen? Who watched it escalate? … The fact that they allowed it to escalate … (Maybe they were like) ‘Man, he needed to get smacked. He’s talking all this stuff.’ That’s telling you the level of respect that a lot of players and teammates have (for Smith).”http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/12/jets-geno-smith-jaw-bart-scott/

 

[Superman55]

I actually agree with Leberfeld.

" Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers

Todd Bowles and Mike Maccagnan have nothing to do with Jets history. They just got here. They need to ignore the historians and forge ahead."

+1

To the fans, we feel like its SOJ. To Todd and Mac, its their first camp...they dont give a damn about the past and shouldn't. They have a plan, this is the NFL and shit like this happens all the time, even to the pats (or there wouldnt be a Gate tied to every super bowl), and you have to roll with the punches. That should 100% be their outlook. Why would they buy into SOJ with they are the "new" jets? Nothing is SOJ to them.

 

[Superman55]

Seth Walder ✔ @SethWalderNYDN
Before punching Geno Smith, IK Enemkpali attacked a cop in 2011. #nyj |


Revis and Bowles said the cop was responsible too! It takes two to tango, so the cop shouldn't have let himself get attacked by IK. Those damn cops.

 

[SackExchange]

Last season he had 11 TDs and 8 INTs until he played the Titans at home and threw 6 TDs in that one game and completed 73% and had a career game against the 2 win Titans...kicked his stats up to 17-8, 2 weeks later, broken leg. if not for that career game...which apparently wasn't enough for O'brien to keep him...his would have been a very ordinary looking stat line in 2014...but he did have that game and hopefully has a few of them for us this year...

Yet you take out that one game, and his "very ordinary looking stat line" is still better than Geno's was last year, and that's without cherrypicking which games count and which don't.

 

[Elias]

Bart Scott: Jets’ Locker Room Incident Shows ‘Everybody’s Not In Geno’s Corner’
August 12, 2015 8:27 AM


NEW YORK (WFAN) — When Bart Scott played in the NFL, he was known as one of the toughest, most fierce competitors in the league.
So he knows a thing or two about respect, competitiveness, fighting and ugly locker roomincidents.
The former Jet and CBS NFL analyst joined WFAN co-hosts Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton in studio Wednesday morning to discuss Geno Smith, who had his jaw broken by Ikemefuna Enemkpali in the locker room on Tuesday morning.

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The two teammates — now former teammates, as Enemkpali was released following the incident — were reportedly arguing about money. Smith will be sidelined at least 6-10 weeks.
Scott told Boomer & Carton that the incident is an indictment of how Smith is perceived by his teammates in the locker room.
“This is what’s alarming to me, and this is what says a lot about the locker room and the amount of respect and the level of respect that Geno gets,” the former Pro Bowler said. “Usually you defuse that situation, and usually people will defuse it early.
“The fact that it was allowed to go on, and there was an argument, lets you know that everybody’s not in Geno’s corner … Sometimes people want people to get into confrontations. But if it was somebody that people respected, they would have defused it immediately.”

The Jets Are Better Off Sans Geno

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With Smith out, Ryan Fitzpatrick will take over as the Jets’ starting quarterback to begin the season. There’s also a chance that general manager Mike Maccagnan will bring in another quarterback before New York’s season opener against the Browns on Sept. 13
.
“Who was in the locker room?” Scott said. “Who watched it happen? Who watched it escalate? … The fact that they allowed it to escalate … (Maybe they were like) ‘Man, he needed to get smacked. He’s talking all this stuff.’ That’s telling you the level of respect that a lot of players and teammates have (for Smith).”http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/08/12/jets-geno-smith-jaw-bart-scott/

I agree with Scott. The fact that Geno was treated that way shows the amount of respect he's earned.

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

Enemkpali may end up being the team MVP.[emoji4]

 

[Superman55]

Yet you take out that one game, and his "very ordinary looking stat line" is still better than Geno's was last year, and that's without cherrypicking which games count and which don't.

heading into this season...were you worried about how Geno would perform in Marty's system...or was the hope for improvement tied to what he would do with Gailey?

I dont give a damn about his first two years...I wanted to see what he would do in a spread system with Gailey...so far it looked good.

Just like Troy Aikman, Drew Brees, and terry Bradshaw, all busts after 2 years heading into year 3...had to focus on the future, not the past.

Im not comparing Gneo to Fitz...I was excited to see Geno (and Amaro) in their natural system...the spread.

But to your point, it may not have helped. I mean, he didn't look better in practice or anything. truth is, Gailey's spread hasnt helped Petty a lick, so who's to say it would help geno? Geno must have still looked terrible in practice...just like Petty, right? And Fitzpatrick who knows the spread system like the back of his hand was far out performing Geno in practice, right? because he's so much better it showed...that happened, right?

 

[jets82]

Not excusing IK because he was wrong period but let's get something straight here period, Geno was wrong in this if the story is true. Geno owes this man $600 and won't pay him back. Sees him in training camp for two weeks and then has the nerve to get an attitude and point his finger in IK face when he asked for his money. I probably would of knocked his ass out too.

If Geno actually did do all of this then you can't blame IK for what he did. It's the principle behind it and not even the money factor. Doesn't make it right in IK doing it but I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE DID IT. Geno just showed us why he shouldn't be a starting QB and a leader on any team right now. Hopefully Geno and IK learns from this and it makes them a better men.

 

[Superman55]

I agree with Scott. The fact that Geno was treated that way shows the amount of respect he's earned.

I agree 100%. Th fact every interview after the fight wasnt trashing IKs behavior said a lot.

 

[hobson54]

Seth Walder ✔ @SethWalderNYDN
Before punching Geno Smith, IK Enemkpali attacked a cop in 2011. #nyj |


Revis and Bowles said the cop was responsible too! It takes two to tango, so the cop shouldn't have let himself get attacked by IK. Those damn cops.

it's funny how you think you know more about geno and what happened in the lockerroom than bowles and revis...

 

[Superman55]

Not excusing IK because he was wrong period but let's get something straight here period, Geno was wrong in this if the story is true. Geno owes this man $600 and won't pay him back. Sees him in training camp for two weeks and then has the nerve to get an attitude and point his finger in IK face when he asked for his money. I probably would of knocked his ass out too.

If Geno actually did do all of this then you can't blame IK for what he did. Doesn't make it right in him doing it but I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY HE DID IT. Geno just showed us why he shouldn't be a starting QB and a leader on any team right now. Hopefully Geno and IK learns from this and it makes them a better men.

You'd risk going to jail and would be okay getting arrested over $600? "You understand why someone would do that."...and the fact you admit you'd punch someone in the face too over $600 and ruin your professional and personal life over $600 says more of you as a person than your take on the toipic...concerning...

 

[Lakerfan80]

Bart Scott is right on..many want to believe IK broke Geno's jaw over 600 dollars. But it was Geno's 6th grade response about the money that the 6th grade IK couldn't handle. Where was his boy Marshall when this was going down? Maybe somewhere shooting off about Jay Cutler. Geno was booed at a scrimmage game and that should tell the team what the fanbase thinks of him, many just don't like him. I don't think there is anything more deflating to the entire team than a QB being booed because the fans don't believe in him.

 

[usapaw]

heading into this season...were you worried about how Geno would perform in Marty's system...or was the hope for improvement tied to what he would do with Gailey?

I dont give a damn about his first two years...I wanted to see what he would do in a spread system with Gailey...so far it looked good.

Just like Troy Aikman, Drew Brees, and terry Bradshaw, all busts after 2 years heading into year 3...had to focus on the future, not the past.

Im not comparing Gneo to Fitz...I was excited to see Geno (and Amaro) in their natural system...the spread.

But to your point, it may not have helped. I mean, he didn't look better in practice or anything. truth is, Gailey's spread hasnt helped Petty a lick, so who's to say it would help geno? Geno must have still looked terrible in practice...just like Petty, right? And Fitzpatrick who knows the spread system like the back of his hand was far out performing Geno in practice, right? because he's so much better it showed...that happened, right?

Practice means nothing.

 

[Superman55]

it's funny how you think you know more about geno and what happened in the lockerroom than bowles and revis...

It doesnt matter if I was there...if two people in front of you at a traffic light are arguing, and one of them gets out of the car and punches the other one in the face...i dont care what the people in the car say, I know which one is wrong. Common sense should prevail in this debate...

...but i should know better than to hear much common sense around here.