Geno Smith Out 6-10 Weeks

[OCCH]

Giacomini and Decker have also come out in support of Geno.

From NJ.com:



Decker's comments from another NJ.com article



Links to the two articles:

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/jets_eric_decker_supports_geno_smith_too_weve_all.html

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/08/another_jets_player_defends_geno_smith_hes_our_guy.html

I have nothing but respect for you, GR, but it's REALLY reaching to say these quotes qualify as "defending Geno Smith".

Breno says "we haven't lost faith in him" and Decker says "we're in this together". That could imply forgiveness as much as absolution of blame. Marhsall is the ONLY one who has point-blank defended Geno's innocence, and I don't see how that possibly puts him in a good light . . .

 

[Golden Rott]

Which is why the dollar amount is irrelevant IMO.

I have one question for everyone here who is so adamant about defending Geno -- WHY DID IK PUNCH HIM? What got the guy so upset that he did somethng that "never" happens in a locker room and lost his job over it? We hear from MULTIPLE sources that Geno deserves partial blame, but then his best friend says he doesn't, so we're all Geno-haters for believing those reports. Well what about IK? We should just assume he's a psychopath? That all the reports of him being a good guy, college team captain, etc. are also media driven lies to disparage Geno's reputation? That Geno's dick pic, cursing at a fan, pushing an old man, not being able to tell time, etc are all misunderstandings that paint our QB in an unfair light?

As much as we don't know the whole story from Geno's side, we also don't know it from IK's. And with the facts laid out as we currently know them, I find it MUCH more likely that Geno played a role in allowing things to escalate to where they did. So yes, I do think he should've offered something to the charity in his absence (not even talking about the debt). It would have been the right thing to do, and just gets added to the list of missed opportunities for our QB to do it . . .

I think this is a great point. Admittedly, I do not know exactly what happened in the locker room, but from what I have read, a team leader would have paid back the $$ he owed a teammate and made a donation to the charity and cemented his spot as a leader and gained respect in the room. That said, IK should not have slugged Geno -- if he truly sucker punched the guy -- Geno is a victim. His behavior may have contributed to the situation, but he did not deserve what he got. Just a bad situation all around.

 

[Golden Rott]

I have nothing but respect for you, GR, but it's REALLY reaching to say these quotes qualify as "defending Geno Smith".

Breno says "we haven't lost faith in him" and Decker says "we're in this together". That could imply forgiveness as much as absolution of blame. Marhsall is the ONLY one who has point-blank defended Geno's innocence, and I don't see how that possibly puts him in a good light . . .

Just sharing what I have read online. Agree that it is lukewarm support at best. Saw the twitter headlines that Decker and Giacomini supported Geno -- these are the actual quotes.

 

[flgreen]

Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone not privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own youth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.

It would be much appreciated if you leave the idiot part out of your next opinion.

Thanks

 

[flgreen]

How has Ryan Fitzpatrick looked through 1 week as Jets' starting quarterback?


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FLORHAM PARK — A week ago Tuesday morning, a Jets linebacker named IK Enemkpali — you might have heard of him by now — slammed his fist into the face of quarterback Geno Smith.

The punch broke Smith's jaw, knocking him out for two to five games (or more), and sending a reverberating questions throughout the Jets organization.

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How will Smith's teammates view him when he returns to the locker room, since he was not completely innocent for his role in the altercation? What does this incident, and Smith's absence, mean for his future with the Jets?

For the Jets' coaches, those are less-pressing questions than this one: Can they win, early in the season, with Ryan Fitzpatrick at quarterback?

In the end, that's all that matters. Sure, it helps if a quarterback's teammates respect and like him. (And we've been over this whole thing time and again with Smith.) But whether players think the quarterback is a dope or a prince, they care a heck of a lot more about him playing well, and helping them win.

So can Fitzpatrick help the Jets win?

A week into his tenure as the Jets' starter, that remains very much unclear. Yes, he knows offensive coordinator Chan Gailey's scheme, from their three seasons together with the Bills. But can Fitzpatrick make all the throws he needs to?

Before Smith got hurt, he looked all right during camp. Fitzpatrick hadn't performed quite as well, but wasn't terrible. Neither player looked superb.

Since the punch, Fitzpatrick had Tuesday's practice, Wednesday's walk-through, one series in Thursday's preseason opener at Detroit, Saturday's practice, and Sunday's practice. So he's really had just two full practices as the starter, since on Tuesday, everyone was still processing what happened to Smith.

Fitzpatrick likely will play more Friday night against the Falcons, said coach Todd Bowles. This week, he get a couple more practices, Tuesday and Wednesday, to prepare for that second dress rehearsal.

So how did Fitzpatrick look this past weekend? We examined his Saturday practice here. Now let's go in-depth with his Sunday practice, as he prepares to return to the field Tuesday, following Monday's off day.

The stats: 12-for-19

Overall stats: 94-for-153, three interceptions

Analysis: Let's start with the negative, and it actually came on a touchdown pass, on practice's final play. Eric Decker was wide open near the goal line, but Fitzpatrick's pass was low. Decker had to reach down to grab it — another indictment of Fitzpatrick's lack of zip on passes. Decker managed to turn and barely get into the end zone before a defender arrived. But it shouldn't have been this hard. Fitzpatrick needs to be on the mark with that throw. Fitzpatrick had previously overthrown Decker, on a long ball. Fitzpatrick was also victimized by rare Brandon Marshall drop. But Fitzpatrick did try to force, on his very next pass, a dangerous throw to Marshall that Darrelle Revis broke up. Fitzpatrick recovered from that misstep and, at one point, completed eight straight passes in Sunday's practice, including sideline throws to Decker and Quincy Enunwa. Those sideline throws have been an issue for Fitzpatrick in this camp.

Grade: B-

Darryl Slater may be reached at dslater@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @DarrylSlater. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook.

 

[OCCH]

I think this is a great point. Admittedly, I do not know exactly what happened in the locker room, but from what I have read, a team leader would have paid back the $$ he owed a teammate and made a donation to the charity and cemented his spot as a leader and gained respect in the room. That said, IK should not have slugged Geno -- if he truly sucker punched the guy -- Geno is a victim. His behavior may have contributed to the situation, but he did not deserve what he got. Just a bad situation all around.

Agreed all around.

 

[flgreen]

I have nothing but respect for you, GR, but it's REALLY reaching to say these quotes qualify as "defending Geno Smith".

Breno says "we haven't lost faith in him" and Decker says "we're in this together". That could imply forgiveness as much as absolution of blame. Marhsall is the ONLY one who has point-blank defended Geno's innocence, and I don't see how that possibly puts him in a good light . . .

Got to agree with this. it is starting to look like from all the stuff that is being leaked, that not only was Smith's jaw fractured, but there is also some fracturing in the locker room.

IMO Decker and Giacomini are doing the right thing, in not really taking sides, but acting like leaders, and trying to help the fracture in the locker room heal.

One way or the other Smith is returning to the team , at least for this year. he may even be the starting QB again by the bye. This needs to be healed NOW, or the Jets are probably going to be in for a long season.

As much as I have always wanted to be the HC of the NY Jets, I wouldn't want to trade positions with Bowles right now. He really has his work cut out for him.

Good post OCCH

 

[ReallyBigfan]

Which is why the dollar amount is irrelevant IMO.

I have one question for everyone here who is so adamant about defending Geno -- WHY DID IK PUNCH HIM? What got the guy so upset that he did somethng that "never" happens in a locker room and lost his job over it? We hear from MULTIPLE sources that Geno deserves partial blame, but then his best friend says he doesn't, so we're all Geno-haters for believing those reports. Well what about IK? We should just assume he's a psychopath? That all the reports of him being a good guy, college team captain, etc. are also media driven lies to disparage Geno's reputation? That Geno's dick pic, cursing at a fan, pushing an old man, not being able to tell time, etc are all misunderstandings that paint our QB in an unfair light?

As much as we don't know the whole story from Geno's side, we also don't know it from IK's. And with the facts laid out as we currently know them, I find it MUCH more likely that Geno played a role in allowing things to escalate to where they did. So yes, I do think he should've offered something to the charity in his absence (not even talking about the debt). It would have been the right thing to do, and just gets added to the list of missed opportunities for our QB to do it . . .

And of course, you have no idea whether in fact Geno did offer or was planning to give something to the charity besides paying back the $600, because you know nothing at all regarding what transpired, but you do know what you want to believe. It is hilarious that you are so eager to disregard what Brandon Marshall said, even though he is the only person who has stepped forward as an actual eyewitness to the incident and the punch, but he doesn't count in your eyes because he obviously likes Geno, which doesn't fit well with your narrative... and yet you deny being a Geno-hater.

 

[OCCH]

And of course, you have no idea whether in fact Geno did offer or was planning to give something to the charity besides paying back the $600, because you know nothing at all regarding what transpired, but you do know what you want to believe. It is hilarious that you are so eager to disregard what Brandon Marshall said, even though he is the only person who has stepped forward as an actual eyewitness to the incident and the punch, but he doesn't count in your eyes because he obviously likes Geno, which doesn't fit well with your narrative... and yet you deny being a Geno-hater.

You're right -- I wasn't there any more than you were. I simply go by what has been reported, and unlike you I don't read each journalistic report assuming it's an outright lie.

Let me ask you -- how do you know Marshall isn't lying? It's no secret Geno is his pet project (he wouldn't even let Fitz throw him the ball). Isn't it at least possible that he's doing all he can to protect his boy, truth be damned? And you still haven't given me a reason why IK would do something so extreme, if in fact Geno is the innocent victim you make him out to be?

It's obvious you're a Geno supporter, and that's fine. I've said multiple times I want to see him back on the field at some point just so I can see once and for all if he has any value to the team. But can you at least be objective and recognize there is SOME validity to the fact that Geno has made multiple bad decisions in the past, has lukewarm support AT BEST from his teammates/coach, and as fans it's understandable to hold our starting QB to a higher bar?

 

[ReallyBigfan]

I have nothing but respect for you, GR, but it's REALLY reaching to say these quotes qualify as "defending Geno Smith".

Breno says "we haven't lost faith in him" and Decker says "we're in this together". That could imply forgiveness as much as absolution of blame. Marhsall is the ONLY one who has point-blank defended Geno's innocence, and I don't see how that possibly puts him in a good light . . .

Wow, that is being incredibly selective. How about this part of Giacomini's quote:

"I do believe in him," Giacomini said. "I've been basically to war with him. I feel bad for him. He was working his butt off—and it showing, man, you know? This offseason has been better than what I've seen. His confidence in the huddle, his leadership off the field..."

That's a lot more supportive than you are trying to portray. And Decker also said that they all care for Geno and have his back. So no, it is not at all reaching to qualify those quotes as defending Geno.

 

[OCCH]

Wow, that is being incredibly selective. How about this part of Giacomini's quote:

"I do believe in him," Giacomini said. "I've been basically to war with him. I feel bad for him. He was working his butt off—and it showing, man, you know? This offseason has been better than what I've seen. His confidence in the huddle, his leadership off the field..."

That's a lot more supportive than you are trying to portray. And Decker also said that they all care for Geno and have his back. So no, it is not at all reaching to qualify those quotes as defending Geno.

We'll agree to disagree. In a situation like this, I wouldn't expect my teammates to give me indirect support. I wouldn't want to have to read into their comments and search for defense. I'd want them to come out just like Marshall did and say "THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED" . . . "GENO DOES NOT DESERVE BLAME" . . . if you can produce one quote that DIRECTLY defends Geno in this situation, it would be the first time I'd be seeing it.

Even Marshall's defense didn't come until he was interviewed about it a week later. You don't find it the least bit curious that AS AN EYEWITNESS he wasn't screaming Geno's defense from the rooftops to anyone willing to listen? I assure you, if he did, the reporters would have been ALL over it.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to be impressed that he finally provides a defense when directly questioned about it in an interview . . .

 

[ReallyBigfan]

You're right -- I wasn't there any more than you were. I simply go by what has been reported, and unlike you I don't read each journalistic report assuming it's an outright lie.

Let me ask you -- how do you know Marshall isn't lying? It's no secret Geno is his pet project (he wouldn't even let Fitz throw him the ball). Isn't it at least possible that he's doing all he can to protect his boy, truth be damned? And you still haven't given me a reason why IK would do something so extreme, if in fact Geno is the innocent victim you make him out to be?

It's obvious you're a Geno supporter, and that's fine. I've said multiple times I want to see him back on the field at some point just so I can see once and for all if he has any value to the team. But can you at least be objective and recognize there is SOME validity to the fact that Geno has made multiple bad decisions in the past, has lukewarm support AT BEST from his teammates/coach, and as fans it's understandable to hold our starting QB to a higher bar?

There is no doubt that Geno has made mistakes and exercised poor judgment in the past, but that is exactly that: in the past. As far as this incident is concerned, IK sucker-punched Geno, period. Nobody denies that, it is even one of the few things that Todd Bowles was explicit about. And frankly, I find it incredibly offensive that you throw out the question of why IK punched him, as though the fact that he did is some sort of proof that Geno did something wrong. On the contrary, the fact that IK punched a teammate in the locker room reflects negatively on HIM, not on his victim, and to suggest otherwise is simply perverse. IK committed the criminal act of violence, that is one fact that we all do know.

 

[ReallyBigfan]

We'll agree to disagree. In a situation like this, I wouldn't expect my teammates to give me indirect support. I wouldn't want to have to read into their comments and search for defense. I'd want them to come out just like Marshall did and say "THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED" . . . "GENO DOES NOT DESERVE BLAME" . . . if you can produce one quote that DIRECTLY defends Geno in this situation, it would be the first time I'd be seeing it.

Even Marshall's defense didn't come until he was interviewed about it a week later. You don't find it the least bit curious that AS AN EYEWITNESS he wasn't screaming Geno's defense from the rooftops to anyone willing to listen? I assure you, if he did, the reporters would have been ALL over it.

Yet somehow I'm supposed to be impressed that he finally provides a defense when directly questioned about it in an interview . . .

Oh come on, you and I both know that Jet players were instructed to minimize any discussion of the incident whatsoever in the hopes of it dying down in the media. When it became clear that the silence was being perceived as lack of support for Geno rather than simply hoping everyone could move on, Bowles probably loosened the strings a bit and allowed Marshall to defend Geno more explicitly. And btw, Brandon Marshall is pretty well known for being a straight shooter and speaking his mind. If anything, he has been seen as being a bit too honest for his own good sometimes.

 

[OCCH]

There is no doubt that Geno has made mistakes and exercised poor judgment in the past, but that is exactly that: in the past. As far as this incident is concerned, IK sucker-punched Geno, period. Nobody denies that, it is even one of the few things that Todd Bowles was explicit about. And frankly, I find it incredibly offensive that you throw out the question of why IK punched him, as though the fact that he did is some sort of proof that Geno did something wrong. On the contrary, the fact that IK punched a teammate in the locker room reflects negatively on HIM, not on his victim, and to suggest otherwise is simply perverse. IK committed the criminal act of violence, that is one fact that we all do know.

I assure you if Geno's teammates/CS defended him half as strongly as you (and others here) have, I'd be firmly in his corner. They haven't, which is why I'm having trouble doing it myself.

If my post implied a defense of IK, I apologize -- that was never my intent. I simply refuse to absolve Geno of all blame when both Bowles and Revis have said the situation was avoidable.

IMO Geno already backed himself in a corner with his "mistakes from the past" (which you've already agreed to). I'd like to think he'd be doing everything possible to erase that reputation, but instead he puts himself in a position to reaffirm it . . .

 

[OCCH]

Oh come on, you and I both know that Jet players were instructed to minimize any discussion of the incident whatsoever in the hopes of it dying down in the media. When it became clear that the silence was being perceived as lack of support for Geno rather than simply hoping everyone could move on, Bowles probably loosened the strings a bit and allowed Marshall to defend Geno more explicitly. And btw, Brandon Marshall is pretty well known for being a straight shooter and speaking his mind. If anything, he has been seen as being a bit too honest for his own good sometimes.

If Bowles put out a direct order for players to not defend their QB, then he's not the man that should be leading this team.

In his first PC I heard him say "I'll let the players speak for themselves if they choose to do so". It's pretty apparent the majority chose not to . . .

 

[Bronx]

Refreshing to hear some sense being spoken by Charlie Casserly on WFAN this morning. He stated that the only version of the story he can go by is the by the player who was there and who also put his name on it, Brandon Marshall, who confirmed Geno was sucker punched. Also spoke about the twisted logic some are stating, suggesting that this is somehow Geno's fault or that he was in any way responsible for getting sucker punched. Finally, a man with some common sense


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[jetkwondo]

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[AFA2017]

Wow, that is being incredibly selective. How about this part of Giacomini's quote:

"I do believe in him," Giacomini said. "I've been basically to war with him. I feel bad for him. He was working his butt off—and it showing, man, you know? This offseason has been better than what I've seen. His confidence in the huddle, his leadership off the field..."

That's a lot more supportive than you are trying to portray. And Decker also said that they all care for Geno and have his back. So no, it is not at all reaching to qualify those quotes as defending Geno.

To say, "I have been to war with him and I got his back" only means that I support him when we go to battle. It does not mean that I support him outside the lines.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone not privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own youth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.

Here is why I think Geno is the idiot in this situation. No "real" starting QB has ever been punched in the face. Geno allegedly was taunting IK. If that is true then he is an idiot and deserved to get smacked. Not sure he deserved to have his jaw broken, but when you get punched thats always a chance. I personally defended Geno for all his other "idiotic" mishaps, but connect all the dots and you have an immature QB that can't lead grown men. He might have all the talent in the world, but doesn't have the thick skin a QB needs. A few things that would have been nice to hear or read. He probably can't speak well, but he could have issued an apology in writing to his teammates and fans for his role. He then could have paid IK and made a nice donation. There was a small window that has closed now. His reputation and character is severely damaged with me and many other fans. No amount of arm talent can make up for the character flaws of Geno Smith.

 

[jetgreen13]

Here is why I think that you and everyone posting like you are a bunch of mean-spirited idiots: you act like you know what actually transpired between Geno and IK, when all you know is what you have read in various media accounts, which as we all know are greatly agenda-driven. But you take those media accounts and verbally attack Geno in the most disgusting ways, ignoring completely that HE was the victim of a vicious criminal assault, a cowardly sucker-punch, no less. Brandon Marshall said that he was sitting right there on the spot when the assault occurred, so he is a freaking eyewitness, and he has said in unequivocal terms that Geno did absolutely nothing wrong prior to getting punched, and that he did not wave his finger in IK's face, contrary to, ahem, media reports. According to all accounts Geno clearly said that he was going to repay the debt, and you have no f'ing idea about why he had not yet done so, there could be a perfectly legitimate reason that wouldn't occur to anyone n ot privy to the facts of the situation. That, however, doesn't stop you and your ilk from acting like obnoxious know-it-alls. And btw, Geno does plenty of charity work himself including running his own ohyouth football camps, so to portray him as a charity-stiffing guy as you have tried to do, is even more proof of your own agenda, simply to trash Geno Smith because he has let you down since the Jets drafted him.

so smith two weeks running of training camp didn't pay IK the $600 & we know this how?? media accounts.. we also have heard nothing about smith in that same time period doing anything to make things right for IK's charity event.. but in your mind that's OK because smith is involved in his own charity work?? so what are you saying, if smith name is not attached to the event he shouldn't have to make things right for missing IK's event & disappointing a bunch a kids waiting to meet an NFL QB?? but folks like me are mean spirited idiots?? LOLz amazing!!

oh BTW, aside from the players bolwes hand pick to speak to "the media" what other jets have publicly (& i don't count his new BFF) back smith?? i misspoke, i remember specifically at least bowles & revis were critical of how smith handled things!! & what former NFL players have backed smith..

i heard some be very vocal about how poorly smith handled things though.. i guess they're meanie doo doo heads too..