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Fence-sitters are being equated with waffling now. Those honest enough to say "I don't know" are just using that as an excuse to say "I told ya so".
At least, that's what I'm being told.
I do not trust him period and have stated that before.... this latest fiasco is enough for me to say he should be traded next year, if they can rehabilitate one of the worst QB in the league. That is the challenge... like our former HC he talks a lot but fails to deliver. .
Kinda curious what exactly you are referring to and where you get the fact Smith had character and immaturity issues. I Googled Smith for "issues" and "character", and I get Nolan Nawrocki's very unflattering comments about Smith not being a leader, smug, quiet, doesn't work hard, etc and that he had him the 50th rated player in the draft. I don't translate his comments, as unflattering as they are, to Geno being a bad guy or stupid as several have said on this forum. In fact you could probably attribute those same traits to Eli Manning. So are those the kind of character issues you are referring to? I also get Greg Cosell's comments on Smith's "issues", but he was referring to footwork and that he had a lot of work to do coming from WVU's offensive scheme. If you don't like a guy because he's a bad QB or football player that's fine, I have no problem with that and do it myself often. But to assassinate the guy's character after probably never meeting him and really knowing very little about the man is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
With all due respect, you're pretty much saying "maybe the kid will turn out to be nothing, but I'll mock anyone who already thinks so".
Just because you'd like to see more first (as would i) doesn't mean his detractors are wrong, or shouldn't be able to voice their stance . . .
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Bowels referred to both IK and Geno's behavior as childish, and 6th graders could have resolved the incident.
In college Smith attacked a 71 YO DC from behind
Some teams said they had taken Smith off their boards for pre-draft interviews in which he appeared disinterested, and was texting during the interview
His immature behavior during the draft when he announced he was leaving NYC because he wasn't drafted in the first round
Posting pictures of his Johnson
Giving the finger, and cursing out fans
His missed meeting Saturday night before a game he played horribly in because he got confused about time zones, and went to the movies
Was kicked off an airplane because he refused to remove his earbuds, and was rude to the hostess who requested it.
Of course the IK incident, and his involvement in it. Which led Bowles to refer to both of them as being less mature then 6th graders.
Out the next day playing catch when he was told not to.
As yet he hasn't apologized to to his team mates for being a major player in this distraction.
Your correct, we don't know much about him fortunately .
When did I say they shouldn't be able to voice their stance?
Everyone's views are open to criticism. Mine, yours...ect.
And as far as mocking goes, those who've said pump the brakes on all this Geno bashing are the ones being told that we're not seeing things clearly enough.
I will say up front I did not want to draft Geno. The fact we took a 2nd round shot helped some but I never believed he was a long term answer and stated that a lot. I have always rooted for him on the field and would have this year if he started. I was hoping for Fitz to start and circumstances helped that happen.
I don't think that puts me on the fence and I would gladly say Geno surprised me if he does get back on the field and lights it up.
The thing that gets to me from both sides is the certainty of the posts. We all can have opinions I do and posted it but did it as just that an opinion not a fact as some posters do.
I don't think that puts me on the fence and I would gladly say Geno surprised me if he does get back on the field and lights it up.
The thing that gets to me from both sides is the certainty of the posts. We all can have opinions I do and posted it but did it as just that an opinion not a fact as some posters do.
i believe we will see geno at some point. unless fitzpatrick is killing it and we're firing on all cylinders, i think the new regime is going to want to see exactly what the guy has, and rightfully so.
many people were saying the bye week would be a great time to take a step back and evaluate geno's performance over the first four games- now i think it will be the opposite and we will be evaluating fitz instead.
the only thing we can do is wait it out and see how we do over the first four games. it's probably safe to assume barring catastrophe (injury) that fitzpatrick will start at minimum the first four games.
many people were saying the bye week would be a great time to take a step back and evaluate geno's performance over the first four games- now i think it will be the opposite and we will be evaluating fitz instead.
the only thing we can do is wait it out and see how we do over the first four games. it's probably safe to assume barring catastrophe (injury) that fitzpatrick will start at minimum the first four games.
I think some view me as a Geno supporter but that is not true.
I think a couple things:
1. The QB problems we have had over the last 6 years are a function more of the talent level we have had on offense, and the influence of Rex and a crappy coaching staff more than the talent at QB
2. You do not win in the NFL with a JAG QB like Fitz. Yes, Geno has been worse but with the above factors and the fact that he came from a spread it is not super surprising and Geno's upside is huge.
For those reasons I want to see what Geno can do. Starting Fitz is just spinning our wheels as an organization, and after a mediocre season where are we at QB? At least if we can get 10-12 games from Geno in the new system we can close the book on him so to speak one way or another. If he sucks, we look to Petty, if he emerges great, (the "leadership" will tag along with good play) if he is just mediocre, we probably move to Petty as well but then we know.
I hate the thought of a year with a veteran JAG. It is a nowhere move.
I think a couple things:
1. The QB problems we have had over the last 6 years are a function more of the talent level we have had on offense, and the influence of Rex and a crappy coaching staff more than the talent at QB
2. You do not win in the NFL with a JAG QB like Fitz. Yes, Geno has been worse but with the above factors and the fact that he came from a spread it is not super surprising and Geno's upside is huge.
For those reasons I want to see what Geno can do. Starting Fitz is just spinning our wheels as an organization, and after a mediocre season where are we at QB? At least if we can get 10-12 games from Geno in the new system we can close the book on him so to speak one way or another. If he sucks, we look to Petty, if he emerges great, (the "leadership" will tag along with good play) if he is just mediocre, we probably move to Petty as well but then we know.
I hate the thought of a year with a veteran JAG. It is a nowhere move.
We have a young QB on the roster JMHO But playing Fitz is not a nowhere move. It is us starting an intelligent leader for our young QB to learn from. That is a plus not a minus that I believe Geno would have on Pettys career.
could be a positive for Petty but at this point there is almost nothing for Geno to learn watching Fitz. Geno needs to play, watch tape, and make corrections. That ship is sailed for Geno.
That would have been a good plan for Geno, but we instead went with the Sanchez/Geno "competition".
you validated/completely deflected my entire 4 paragraph post with 3 short, snarky sentences..
:clapping-bravo-smil
OK, if that's how you feel...
Wait, wut?
He may turn out to be better, he may not. But there's no solid evidence to support your statement. Right now he's just a QB who was considered (by all 32 NFL teams) to be a lesser prospect than Geno, who hasn't yet proven whether that assessment is right or wrong.
I think Geno's shown his true colors as a person, and that, coupled with what we've seen on the field, is enough for me to want the Jets to move on. So I'm glad we have Petty - I hope that by this time next year, he's starting to look like someone who can help us in a couple of years. But regardless, the jury is wayyyyyy out.
If we were looking at Fitz to "take us to the promised land" he would've been named starter right off the bat. The only reason he's behind center is because Geno (again) got himself into a less than desirable situation.
To be honest, this is a win/win scenario for you. If Fitz lights it up, the Jets have a season to remember and no one cares about Geno's "potential". If Fitz flops/gets injured, Geno gets the opportunity you want him to have and we all get to see once and for all if he's the goods.
One way or the other, this season is going to be more than "a nowhere move" . . .
well thanks to flgreen's extremely detailed post i don't need to re verify what you (for whatever reason) had decided to claim i was flat out making up spit about smith.. after further review it would appear you are the one barking at the moon..
if you're going "assassinate" another fellow members post perhaps more than 2 minutes of research should be required??
pretty ridiculous "in your opinion" not withstanding..
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Quote Originally Posted by johnnysd View Post
I think some view me as a Geno supporter but that is not true.
I think a couple things:
1. The QB problems we have had over the last 6 years are a function more of the talent level we have had on offense, and the influence of Rex and a crappy coaching staff more than the talent at QB
2. You do not win in the NFL with a JAG QB like Fitz. Yes, Geno has been worse but with the above factors and the fact that he came from a spread it is not super surprising and Geno's upside is huge.
For those reasons I want to see what Geno can do. Starting Fitz is just spinning our wheels as an organization, and after a mediocre season where are we at QB? At least if we can get 10-12 games from Geno in the new system we can close the book on him so to speak one way or another. If he sucks, we look to Petty, if he emerges great, (the "leadership" will tag along with good play) if he is just mediocre, we probably move to Petty as well but then we know.
I hate the thought of a year with a veteran JAG. It is a nowhere move.
It needs to be said just how absurd this posts is........
First of all, you are probably constantly blaming Rex Ryan for all of Geno's failures and I am here to tell you that you're WRONG.
Everything is always the coaching staffs fault. That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever heard. Marty and Rex did everything they possibly could for Geno. However, the lack of talent on the team is a function of poor general managers. John Idzik may have drafted Geno, but he also did NOTHING to improve the talent around him. Tanny left the cupboard completely bare in terms of talent.
Now you would stoop so low as to try and say you are NOT a geno supporter?! Get real. Everyone on this site knows it. What's worse is that you are conveniently doing it after we find out the true depth of Geno's perversion. Geno is a POS and now you are trying to distance yourself from him.
But not so fast, remember, you and I made a bet. I said Geno would not be the starting QB for the NYJ next season. You said he would be. This is a bet you cannot possibly win. When I win the bet, I want to come here and admit that GENO had everything to do with GENO's failures and not psychological coma crap like it's somehow Rex Ryan;s fault.
I think some view me as a Geno supporter but that is not true.
I think a couple things:
1. The QB problems we have had over the last 6 years are a function more of the talent level we have had on offense, and the influence of Rex and a crappy coaching staff more than the talent at QB
2. You do not win in the NFL with a JAG QB like Fitz. Yes, Geno has been worse but with the above factors and the fact that he came from a spread it is not super surprising and Geno's upside is huge.
For those reasons I want to see what Geno can do. Starting Fitz is just spinning our wheels as an organization, and after a mediocre season where are we at QB? At least if we can get 10-12 games from Geno in the new system we can close the book on him so to speak one way or another. If he sucks, we look to Petty, if he emerges great, (the "leadership" will tag along with good play) if he is just mediocre, we probably move to Petty as well but then we know.
I hate the thought of a year with a veteran JAG. It is a nowhere move.
It needs to be said just how absurd this posts is........
First of all, you are probably constantly blaming Rex Ryan for all of Geno's failures and I am here to tell you that you're WRONG.
Everything is always the coaching staffs fault. That's the biggest bunch of nonsense I have ever heard. Marty and Rex did everything they possibly could for Geno. However, the lack of talent on the team is a function of poor general managers. John Idzik may have drafted Geno, but he also did NOTHING to improve the talent around him. Tanny left the cupboard completely bare in terms of talent.
Now you would stoop so low as to try and say you are NOT a geno supporter?! Get real. Everyone on this site knows it. What's worse is that you are conveniently doing it after we find out the true depth of Geno's perversion. Geno is a POS and now you are trying to distance yourself from him.
But not so fast, remember, you and I made a bet. I said Geno would not be the starting QB for the NYJ next season. You said he would be. This is a bet you cannot possibly win. When I win the bet, I want to come here and admit that GENO had everything to do with GENO's failures and not psychological coma crap like it's somehow Rex Ryan;s fault.
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Lakerfan80
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Geno is a POS?, yet you want to see him this season? why? He hasn't shown he is as good as Fitz, just younger with more physical ability, whatever that's good for.
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That may be true for anyone not near Va our west Va but believe me I live 1-2 hours away and it's not a huge community and people talk and I am telling you here in Va and west Va people didn't question his athletic ability but his leadership and immaturity were things that many people close to him said would not translate to the nfl. A major reason why I was so adamant about not wanting him in the draft. Just because all immaturity acts didn't make the paper doesn't mean they didn't happen esp for the people here close to where he went to school.
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