Geno Smith worked out with Tom House (Brady's personal QB coach) during offseason

[SackExchange]

If Geno can beat out Fitzpatrick in a fair competition, I am rooting for him. If he can't, I am rooting for Fitzpatrick. I think Geno has all the tools except for reading a defense. Hope he can finally put that together this year.

In an ideal world, Geno learns from Fitzpatrick, who is one of the smartest QBs in the league. If Geno can learn from him, and use his physical tools with improved football IQ, he could definitely succeed in this league.

But Geno's going to have to show he can do this.

 

[Superman55]

Who is Fitzgerald? I'm not familiar with him.

Did we get Larry...



...or Ella?

 

[jets82]

Who is Fitzgerald? I'm not familiar with him.

Meant to say Fitzpatrick. That's why I usual just say Fitz. Makes life ALOT simpler.

 

[OCCH]

Hoping someone can repeat past success is MUCH different than hoping he can do something he's never come close to achieving

 

[jets82]

Hoping someone can repeat past success is MUCH different than hoping he can do something he's never come close to achieving

Unless I'm missing something and maybe I am, Fitz has never accomplished the kind of numbers Vinny did with us or Kurt Warner did in his best or later years with Cardinals or Warren Moon ever did really. So unless I'm wrong here hoping Fitz to do what they did is just or even more far fetched then Geno playing well. Fitz has played ten plus years and never put up the numbers those guys did in their 30's or maybe even period and Geno has only played two years with a garbage team and even worse management and coaching. Given Geno's position I'd say he has just as much of a chance as Fitz does or no chance at all as Fitz does.

 

[Bigmoe]

Ok , let's take a look at some of Ryan Fitzpatrick's accomplishments that some here will not acknowledge .

1- Fitzpatrick has the highest Wonderlic Test score ever achieved among NFL quarterbacks. Counts for something ,no?

2- His first NFL appearance :Coming into the eleventh game of the regular season in the second quarter against the Houston Texans to replace injured veteran journeyman Jamie Martin, Fitzpatrick led the Rams from a 24–3 halftime deficit to a 33–27 overtime win, throwing for 310 yards and three touchdowns, completing 63.3% of his passes and 117.4 QB rating for the game. This made Fitzpatrick one of only seven players who passed for more 300 yards in their NFL debut. ( Not Bad )

3-During the 2008 NFL season, Fitzpatrick ranked third in rushing yards among quarterbacks, finishing behind Tyler Thigpen and David Garrard. Ok so he can move for an Irishman from Harvard

4-In a 49–31 comeback win over the Cincinnati Bengals, Fitzpatrick threw for 316 yards and 4 touchdowns, including 3 to Steve Johnson. This performance marked the first time in NFL history that a team had come back from 17 points down to win by 18 or more. Again not to shabby

5-During the second week of the 2011 season, Fitzpatrick led the Bills to touchdown drives on five straight possessions in the second half to rally past the Raiders. It was the first time in league history a team had scored offensive touchdowns on five straight possessions in the second half. Another first in NFL history. Himmmm

6-After the 2011 season, it was revealed that Fitzpatrick had broken his ribs in a game against the Washington Redskins, which was presumably a factor in his decline in play over the rest of the season. Fitzpatrick finished the 2011 season with 3,832 yards and 24 touchdowns. I'd say more than a serviceable season, no?

7-] On November 30, 2014 in a 45-21 win against the Tennessee Titans, Fitzpatrick threw for a franchise-record six touchdowns and 358 yards with no interceptions and a 147.5 passer rating. Here we go again with the record book

8-Despite his season-ending injury, Fitzpatrick had his best season as a pro, throwing for 2,483 yards with 17 TDs and 8 INTs for a career-high 95.3 passer rating. I like it.

Is he the next Dan Marino , we all know the answer
Can he win games , why not
Is he better than Geno
Absolutely

 

[jets82]

I don't know if Geno can throw more than twice as many TDs than picks, no. Geno had a 1:1 ratio last year. Fitzpatrick (yes, his name is Fitzpatrick) had 17 TDs and 8 picks. He also had a completion percentage about 63%, and a passer rating 2 points lower than Brady's. Geno's was 20 points lower.

What exactly in Geno's career makes you think he can do that?

Oh, and Fitzpatrick had his best seasons with Gailey.

I will admit I'm going off assumptions here but here's where I stand on Geno. Geno has only played two years with a garbage team and even worse coaching and management. I don't think anyone can deny or argue that. If you want to call it a excuse then so be it but you have to say the same for the posters that have said Fitz has played with bad teams also. They say they believe he can do better with our beloved Jets because we have a better team then he's ever played with pretty much. Plus he's playing again with Gailey and had his best years with him.

My argument to that is Gailey has made many QBs careers and numbers better including Fitz. If he can do it for him then why can't he do it for Geno. This is the best team Geno has ever played with and he's only played two years. Let's see, he has Marshall who is still good for 80-90 catches at least if they throw him the ball. Decker caught 70-80 catches with this horrid team last year and being the #1 option. Gotta think he can do better as well. Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland stats should improve. We all believe they will draft a WR whether it be in the first through third rounds. Plus we still have the two rookies from last year who may show something. They have and will address the o-line and our RBs are pretty solid.

With all this, Geno along with any half decent QB should improve. If Geno can't then he shouldn't be playing anyway. So I believe Geno has just as much of a good chance as Fitz or anyone with producing atleast average numbers, holding his own to help this team to success this year and beyond with Mac and Bowles and this team behind him. Pretty clear Mac knows what he's doing as far as putting a team together. Safe to assume Bowles will do just a good as of a job in coaching the team.

I'll do you one better in fact. I believe Fitz can do a average job in helping this team but I believe Geno can do the same if not better. Geno is younger, athletic, can make all the throws but ofcourse has to improve with his accuracy. Questions is can he learn the game mentally? Reading defenses and making quick decisions for ex... Well that is what Gailey is there for and hopefully he gets him right. Plus, most QBs take three years to get it anyway. Were talking about a QB that came from a non-pro style offense in West Virginia and needed a year or two on the bench to learn.

Geno didn't have that luxury and was thrown out there with a garbage team and even worse coaching and management. This all has to be considered. Geno is not your Andrew Luck or Dan Marino or Cam Newton that can play from day one and put up pro-bowl numbers but who is? Not many if any did what they did as a rookie. I think with what we have here now, Geno can atleast do what Fitz can do if not better but we shall see.

 

[jets82]

Ok , let's take a look at some of Ryan Fitzpatrick's accomplishments that some here will not acknowledge .

1- Fitzpatrick has the highest Wonderlic Test score ever achieved among NFL quarterbacks. Counts for something ,no?

2- His first NFL appearance :Coming into the eleventh game of the regular season in the second quarter against the Houston Texans to replace injured veteran journeyman Jamie Martin, Fitzpatrick led the Rams from a 24–3 halftime deficit to a 33–27 overtime win, throwing for 310 yards and three touchdowns, completing 63.3% of his passes and 117.4 QB rating for the game. This made Fitzpatrick one of only seven players who passed for more 300 yards in their NFL debut. ( Not Bad )

3-During the 2008 NFL season, Fitzpatrick ranked third in rushing yards among quarterbacks, finishing behind Tyler Thigpen and David Garrard. Ok so he can move for an Irishman from Harvard

4-In a 49–31 comeback win over the Cincinnati Bengals, Fitzpatrick threw for 316 yards and 4 touchdowns, including 3 to Steve Johnson. This performance marked the first time in NFL history that a team had come back from 17 points down to win by 18 or more. Again not to shabby

5-During the second week of the 2011 season, Fitzpatrick led the Bills to touchdown drives on five straight possessions in the second half to rally past the Raiders. It was the first time in league history a team had scored offensive touchdowns on five straight possessions in the second half. Another first in NFL history. Himmmm

6-After the 2011 season, it was revealed that Fitzpatrick had broken his ribs in a game against the Washington Redskins, which was presumably a factor in his decline in play over the rest of the season. Fitzpatrick finished the 2011 season with 3,832 yards and 24 touchdowns. I'd say more than a serviceable season, no?

7-] On November 30, 2014 in a 45-21 win against the Tennessee Titans, Fitzpatrick threw for a franchise-record six touchdowns and 358 yards with no interceptions and a 147.5 passer rating. Here we go again with the record book

8-Despite his season-ending injury, Fitzpatrick had his best season as a pro, throwing for 2,483 yards with 17 TDs and 8 INTs for a career-high 95.3 passer rating. I like it.

Is he the next Dan Marino , we all know the answer
Can he win games , why not
Is he better than Geno
Absolutely

All notable and some even impressive points. With all this said, he should have no problems beating out Geno in training camp, pre-season or whenever he is ready to play as so many of you think. We'll see if he can do it because with the team, management and coaching that is here now, I believe Geno will improve greatly, beat out Fitz straight up, keep the job playing better then average atleast ad hold his own. Without injuries ofcourse.

 

[isired]

Who is Fitzgerald? I'm not familiar with him.

Me neither, but from what I've seen from Geno and Fitzpatrick, I say we give this Fitzgerald guy a shot.

 

[sg3]

I will admit I'm going off assumptions here but here's where I stand on Geno. Geno has only played two years with a garbage team and even worse coaching and management. I don't think anyone can deny or argue that. If you want to call it a excuse then so be it but you have to say the same for the posters that have said Fitz has played with bad teams also. They say they believe he can do better with our beloved Jets because we have a better team then he's ever played with pretty much. Plus he's playing again with Gailey and had his best years with him.

My argument to that is Gailey has made many QBs careers and numbers better including Fitz. If he can do it for him then why can't he do it for Geno. This is the best team Geno has ever played with and he's only played two years. Let's see, he has Marshall who is still good for 80-90 catches at least if they throw him the ball. Decker caught 70-80 catches with this horrid team last year and being the #1 option. Gotta think he can do better as well. Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland stats should improve. We all believe they will draft a WR whether it be in the first through third rounds. Plus we still have the two rookies from last year who may show something. They have and will address the o-line and our RBs are pretty solid.

With all this, Geno along with any half decent QB should improve. If Geno can't then he shouldn't be playing anyway. So I believe Geno has just as much of a good chance as Fitz or anyone with producing atleast average numbers, holding his own to help this team to success this year and beyond with Mac and Bowles and this team behind him. Pretty clear Mac knows what he's doing as far as putting a team together. Safe to assume Bowles will do just a good as of a job in coaching the team.

I'll do you one better in fact. I believe Fitz can do a average job in helping this team but I believe Geno can do the same if not better. Geno is younger, athletic, can make all the throws but ofcourse has to improve with his accuracy. Questions is can he learn the game mentally? Reading defenses and making quick decisions for ex... Well that is what Gailey is there for and hopefully he gets him right. Plus, most QBs take three years to get it anyway. Were talking about a QB that came from a non-pro style offense in West Virginia and needed a year or two on the bench to learn.

Geno didn't have that luxury and was thrown out there with a garbage team and even worse coaching and management. This all has to be considered. Geno is not your Andrew Luck or Dan Marino or Cam Newton that can play from day one and put up pro-bowl numbers but who is? Not many if any did what they did as a rookie. I think with what we have here now, Geno can atleast do what Fitz can do if not better but we shall see.

Agree 100%

And can we agree here now on APRIL 16 2015 that Geno Smith no longer has your oft repeated garbage team, garbage coaching and garbage FO excuse?

I will be happy to shut up and agree to a we' ll see, best man wins end of this stupid argument as soon as you agree to no more the dog ate his homework litany of excuses for Smith

 

[jets82]

Agree 100%

And can we agree here now on APRIL 16 2015 that Geno Smith no longer has your oft repeated garbage team, garbage coaching and garbage FO excuse?

I will be happy to shut up and agree to a we' ll see, best man wins end of this stupid argument as soon as you agree to no more the dog ate his homework litany of excuses for Smith

Lol, you are just too funny. I see you don't have much of a rebuttal for my excuse of a garbage team and EVEN worse coaching and management for two straight years because its true and you know it is. No rookie QB could have really had a chance of having great numbers with the nonsense Geno had to deal with. Even your must pro style ready QBs like your Andrew Luck of the world would have struggled. Maybe not as much but he would have struggled.

Hell, Luck struggled abit with Indy his rookie year so your telling me he wouldn't have struggled under Rex, Idzik and those teams for two years. I'm excited to see what geno can do this year because with this team, the coaching and management he has now and the hard knock lessons he took over the past two years, he should be ready to ball out this year. We still have our bet and I have full confidence Geno will handle his business.

 

[sg3]

Agree 100%

Geno is the greatest of all time

the Mount Rushmore of NFL QBS

Favre, Montana,.Brady, Elway, Rodgers, Unitas and Geno

Lol

Pathetic

 

[sg3]

BTW

No need for another of your excuse laden passionate defenses of the worst QB in the NFL for two seasons.

I'm done with you here

 

[SackExchange]

Me neither, but from what I've seen from Geno and Fitzpatrick, I say we give this Fitzgerald guy a shot.

Only if it's F. Scott.

 

[Sarge]

Not sure if it has been mentioned already in this thread but Tom House caught the home run ball Hank Aaron hit to break Babe Ruth's all time record

 

[SackExchange]

I will admit I'm going off assumptions here but here's where I stand on Geno. Geno has only played two years with a garbage team and even worse coaching and management. I don't think anyone can deny or argue that. If you want to call it a excuse then so be it but you have to say the same for the posters that have said Fitz has played with bad teams also. They say they believe he can do better with our beloved Jets because we have a better team then he's ever played with pretty much. Plus he's playing again with Gailey and had his best years with him.

My argument to that is Gailey has made many QBs careers and numbers better including Fitz. If he can do it for him then why can't he do it for Geno. This is the best team Geno has ever played with and he's only played two years. Let's see, he has Marshall who is still good for 80-90 catches at least if they throw him the ball. Decker caught 70-80 catches with this horrid team last year and being the #1 option. Gotta think he can do better as well. Kerley, Amaro and Cumberland stats should improve. We all believe they will draft a WR whether it be in the first through third rounds. Plus we still have the two rookies from last year who may show something. They have and will address the o-line and our RBs are pretty solid.

With all this, Geno along with any half decent QB should improve. If Geno can't then he shouldn't be playing anyway. So I believe Geno has just as much of a good chance as Fitz or anyone with producing atleast average numbers, holding his own to help this team to success this year and beyond with Mac and Bowles and this team behind him. Pretty clear Mac knows what he's doing as far as putting a team together. Safe to assume Bowles will do just a good as of a job in coaching the team.

I'll do you one better in fact. I believe Fitz can do a average job in helping this team but I believe Geno can do the same if not better. Geno is younger, athletic, can make all the throws but ofcourse has to improve with his accuracy. Questions is can he learn the game mentally? Reading defenses and making quick decisions for ex... Well that is what Gailey is there for and hopefully he gets him right. Plus, most QBs take three years to get it anyway. Were talking about a QB that came from a non-pro style offense in West Virginia and needed a year or two on the bench to learn.

Geno didn't have that luxury and was thrown out there with a garbage team and even worse coaching and management. This all has to be considered. Geno is not your Andrew Luck or Dan Marino or Cam Newton that can play from day one and put up pro-bowl numbers but who is? Not many if any did what they did as a rookie. I think with what we have here now, Geno can atleast do what Fitz can do if not better but we shall see.

I would argue that my comment was premised on numbers, and yours is premised in speculation.

Having confidence in Geno is great. But the excuses are gone. I don't want to hear how old Fitzpatrick is and how young and talented Geno is when Geno threw as many picks as TDs, and Fitzpatrick threw more than twice as many TDs and INTs. That wasn't five years ago. That was last year, the closest representation to this year we have.

 

[jets82]

I would argue that my comment was premised on numbers, and yours is premised in speculation.

Having confidence in Geno is great. But the excuses are gone. I don't want to hear how old Fitzpatrick is and how young and talented Geno is when Geno threw as many picks as TDs, and Fitzpatrick threw more than twice as many TDs and INTs. That wasn't five years ago. That was last year, the closest representation to this year we have.

Thats why this will be a fair and open competition all around and may the best man win. Yes you gave me numbers to prove Fitz can play decent at least. There are also numbers that show he can play garbage aswell. Overall it doesn't matter how good or bad his numbers are, every team he has played on has cut him, traded him or did not resign him. I wonder why, maybe he just isn't the answer and his Wonderlick score doesn't matter at all! There are no more excuses for Geno and you are 100% right but his excuses were only there for two years. How do explain all Fitz excuses for 10 plus years and the fact no team has kept him over his career? I think at this point there is still a possible chance of true optimism for Geno where as Fitz and all the teams that have cut shows we shouldn't have much in Fitz but maybe thats just me.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

You know what, thats a answer I can respect. Honest but fair at least but I will say I disagree about Geno losing straight up to Fitzgerald. And I will admit it has become personal that I want Geno to beat Fitz out. Where as during the NFL season and even up to the Foles trade that fell through, I wanted him gone as much as anyone did.

You mean, when you were actually watching him play, you wanted him gone? I have a feeling you'll be reminded of why you felt that way the next time you see him play.

It is gratifying to see at least one Geno supporter admit that the issue isn't that people have a personal bias against Geno, it's that he has a personal bias in favor of Geno. Because certainly no one has made the argument that Geno played well last year and doesn't need to improve. NO ONE is claiming that! Which is funny to me considering the vehemence with which criticism of Geno is shouted down! So it is nice to see it confirmed that at least one supporter's confidence in Geno has nothing to do with his play on the field, and everything to do with wanting to win a message board argument. I'll be thrilled to throw away a season on Geno if THAT'S why we're doing it!

 

[jets82]

You mean, when you were actually watching him play, you wanted him gone? I have a feeling you'll be reminded of why you felt that way the next time you see him play.

It is gratifying to see at least one Geno supporter admit that the issue isn't that people have a personal bias against Geno, it's that he has a personal bias in favor of Geno. Because certainly no one has made the argument that Geno played well last year and doesn't need to improve. NO ONE is claiming that! Which is funny to me considering the vehemence with which criticism of Geno is shouted down! So it is nice to see it confirmed that at least one supporter's confidence in Geno has nothing to do with his play on the field, and everything to do with wanting to win a message board argument. I'll be thrilled to throw away a season on Geno if THAT'S why we're doing it!

Hold on now and lets get this straight here, I'm a Geno supporter because I actually think Geno can play very well this year and beyond for us. This is not and far from wanting to win some message board argument. True I wanted Geno gone from last years Bills (3 straight int game) and actually wanted the Jets to lose the rest of the games so we can draft Winston. The former regime in particular sexy rexy gave us a real good F-you present on his way out the door to a 4 win season.

However; after realizing the Winston dream was done and the Foles trade fell through also I started to think can Geno actually get it together this year? I don't see why he can't! Better all around team this year by leaps and bounds then he had his first two years here. Even better, leaps and bounds in coaching and management then what he had years one and two also. He came from a non pro style offense in college so there was going to be a transition ruff period anyway in which he should have sat at least one year but that didn't happen.

With all this said and these are all facts, I'm hoping he has learned and grown just off principal of what he went through for two hard NFL years. Then you add in the fact this is a playoff ready team with real true weapons on both sides of the ball and he has a real HC and GM now. So why can't he improve and make a impact for the better this year? That is why I started the thread asking, "Can Geno actually become a real QB and contribute for us this year" explaining all of this in my opening thread.

The thread went back and forth for quite some time and ended up being about 9 pages long, I guess. I started the thread because I meant it and the way I felt and still feel that Geno can do better this year and I wanted to get a feel of everyone else's opinion. So this isn't a battle of the message board beef. Although there is one poster in specific that has brought me to that, I will admit. This is truly the way I feel and I believe Geno can actually help this team to success this year. Am I saying MVP or even pro-bowl stats, of course not but very good and holding his own stats and I truly do believe that.

As far as his play last year, Geno's stats last year weren't stella but they did improve. Argue it all you want but they did improve. Argue that fact that he didn't play a full year and if he did his stats would have been worse. You would probably be right but then again, non of us know that for a fact. What could have happened without non of us being God and knowing for a fact is pointless to discuss. Geno had far more bad games then good ones last year and the year before and thats why I gave up on him myself. However; he did have some good games both years also.

 

[OCCH]

Lol, you are just too funny. I see you don't have much of a rebuttal for my excuse of a garbage team and EVEN worse coaching and management for two straight years because its true and you know it is. No rookie QB could have really had a chance of having great numbers with the nonsense Geno had to deal with. Even your must pro style ready QBs like your Andrew Luck of the world would have struggled. Maybe not as much but he would have struggled.

Hell, Luck struggled abit with Indy his rookie year so your telling me he wouldn't have struggled under Rex, Idzik and those teams for two years. I'm excited to see what geno can do this year because with this team, the coaching and management he has now and the hard knock lessons he took over the past two years, he should be ready to ball out this year. We still have our bet and I have full confidence Geno will handle his business.

I know I'm late to the party, but I GUARANTEE you Andrew Luck would have had success in his 2nd year with the personnel the Jets had on offense last year . . .