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Question is Ham, when is he going to get the reps? No talking to coaches in the off season
Question is Ham, when is he going to get the reps? No talking to coaches in the off season
So has Gailey even hinted at how he expects Hack to get the "10's of thousands" of reps that Gailey says he needs?
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Not that I've read. This is a league wide problem. With all the spread O's in NCAA football it is very difficult to find young QB's that are NFL ready. That's one of the reasons that some of these talented "spread QB's" are falling in the draft.
NFL needs to create an exemption for willing QB's with less then 4 years.
Unfortunately, that won't come soon enough to help Hack. Current CBA runs through 2020 season, I think. If Gailey is right about how many reps Hack needs, he'll never get them.
In a perfect world I think they would like to have gotten Hack more reps in camp and the preseason games, and by a perfect world I mean a settled situation at 1, 2 and 3 on the QB depth chart, but because the situation is far from settled, the more pressing concern was figuring out what to do at 2 and 3, how many QB's to carry etc., so they didn't have time to mess with Hackenberg in his RedShirt year. I'm afraid he'll have to wait till next years OTA's to start getting serious reps.
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I'm sure he was over estimating just to make a point with the number of reps, but your right. Nothing is going to change until the strike is over for the new CBA.
Petty was even greener coming in then Hack. Petty had never played a single snap under center, and looked horrible at it Senior Bowl week, but last year, in the 2nd pre-season game against Atlanta he played, and played fairly well.
12-19, 168 yards, 1TD 0 Ints.
Petty had a Red Shirt year last year also, but he still got some reps in the pre-season. Hack at least had 1 year in O'Brian's pro style O.
if this is all about seeing if smith is going to have a light go on, or get a conditional 7th round pick for him, the Jets current 2nd round QB needs the reps, more then smith needs practice sulking. smith will not be on the team next year, Hack and Petty will. They both need reps.
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It might sound ridiculous, but this situation with the young guns needing reps, besides spreading cap hit over 3 years, is one of the reasons IMO the Jets wanted Fitz on a 3 year deal.
I hope they can still find a way to do that. Even if it means paying Fitz a few million over market. Fitz has shown in the past that he is willing to work with the kids who are trying to take his job.
Nothing in the CBA says that when Fitz takes his 5 kids down to the school yard to throw the pig skin around, he can't take a few adopted kids along with him. That's what he did with Petty last year.
Seems to be working so far. Both for Fitz's kids (several articles and pictures have shown how close Petty and Fitz's boys are) and for Petty.
Think it is a good long term investment to over pay Fitz some.
I hope they can still find a way to do that. Even if it means paying Fitz a few million over market. Fitz has shown in the past that he is willing to work with the kids who are trying to take his job.
Nothing in the CBA says that when Fitz takes his 5 kids down to the school yard to throw the pig skin around, he can't take a few adopted kids along with him. That's what he did with Petty last year.
Seems to be working so far. Both for Fitz's kids (several articles and pictures have shown how close Petty and Fitz's boys are) and for Petty.
Think it is a good long term investment to over pay Fitz some.
Yup
Not that Petty looked much better
Best throw of the day was when Geno threw his helmet walking out at the end. Surprised I didn't read about that anywhere.
so another day smith did nothing to show he should be fitzpatrick's backup & just for good measure, he continues to act like a petulant child..
works for me & thanks for info..
Not true, there are the OTAs, and I think the idea is to get him in during the OTAs and give him specific drills to work on.
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The OTA's were mentioned above. There are like 5 of them, and if you followed the OTA tweets where the scribes detail every pass, each QB gets like 15-20 reps a day. What Gailey is talking about is like in the pre-CBA days when QB's lived close by and came in every day, and worked with the QB coach for 4-5 hours every day. That's good enough to get some rust off a vet QB, but not nearly enough to re-build a young QB's mechanics.
This just isn't a Jets' problem, this is a league wide problem, and one of the reason for the quality QB shortage. Kids just don't have any where near enough time to develop.
This new V Reality technology may help young QB's going forward, but it's still in it's infancy.
I read in (ugh) Mehta's column today that Jets should concoct some sort of phony injury for Hack and IR him this year. Is Mehta oblivious to the 'release before reclaiming and IR'ing a rookie rule' that someone referred to above? I also wonder about the validity of the rule. What if Eagle's #1 pick Wentz gets injured to the extent that he can't play for a year, do they have to release him so they can place him on IR? I imagine he wouldn't clear waivers, so I have some questions about the rule.
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Before A player who doesn't have 4 years accrued can be placed on IR he MUST go thru waivers. They are very rarely claimed. In 2010 the Pats (who else) broke the unwritten rule, and claimed a player off of Denver (thought it was Giants, but it's Denver) Caused quite a stir, because it is so rarely done with genuinely injured players. If you question the validity Look it up
yes, if Wentz is put on IR he could be claimed.
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can you imagine if maccagnan tried to IR hackenberg, the patriots claimed him & he ended up being brady's long-term replacement??
it would be decades of well earned embarrassment for both the franchise & the fan base..
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That was exactly my thought when all the talk was about trying to "sneak" Petty onto the PS about a month ago
Perhaps I should have replaced validity with fairness. It just doesn't seem fair that some scumbag team (aka Patriots) should be able to grab a team's commodity like Wentz. The Eagles should be protected.
this is not entirely accurate.
this rule applies before the first cuts, when rosters are at 90. but once the roster cuts are made and they are down to 75, they can put rookie players on the IR. the jags did it with donte fowler last year
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-injured-reserve-as-jags-drop-to-75-players/
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The reason the rule is there is to prevent teams from doing exactly what Mehta is suggesting.
Look at the Jets young WR's this year. Jets could put 3-4 guys on IR, including Hackenberg if not for the rule. In the past there was a gentleman's agreement among GM's that they wouldn't claim actually injured players. Belichick is certainly no gentleman.
If Hackenberg suddenly came up with a phantom injury, somebody would probably claim him.
the jets couldn't "sneak" hackenberg onto IR past the patriots..
they would snatch him up if only out of spite to embarrass the jets organization..
if he became the long-term answer, that would just make the jets epic fail, historically epic!!
bottom line, maccagnan's not going to beg the patriots to make an absolute fool out of him & his employer.....
my thoughts on a would be debacle anyway..