How long before we make a switch at HC?

butterscotch

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That's a rather wise plan brother, but I must say may set up Kacy Rodgers as the sacrificial lamb when the problems appear from the outside seem to start with the HC.

As much of a Fitz fan as I am, his play has been horrid. The offense as a whole looks like shit. The ENTIRE team looks like shit and shoved in it. They do not seem to have any direction. It's like they are sleep walking week in and week out. The call for a punt on 4th and 2 down two scores??? That's a very angering call to make and the HC claims it was his call.

As a big fan of TB & saying when we hired him He could be not just a good coach but a great HC someday I agree he has not been that so far LOL. I did say that he has to prove it & just being a great DC does not make you a great HC. On the Cards Forum they would love him back now.

I think he needs time to grow as a HC. Think of what the Cleveland fans thought about Billy B a number of years ago as a HC. This team was flawed from the start of the year good coach or not.

1) No QB
2) Old players in key positions
3) not a great draft in two years. Not bad but not great.
4) our best position has three of a kind. all bulls
5) No TE...think about it no TE
6) They are not playing as a team (HC is at fault here)
7) This is not WW ll the Marshall plan sucks...all show no dough
8) Forte should be eating grass in a field put in Powell

The bottom line is we have three other QB,s maybe a good draft spot next year & should have an easier schedule next year.
 

Seaver41

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if this keeps rolling in the same direction, by the end of the year there will be no recovery for Bowles and Woody would be forced to fire him. The problem with that happening is the Jets 2nd half schedule and too much talent on the team. All that will ultimately be lost is meaningful games in December. We will probably be stuck with Bowles for another year unless this keeps trending towards disaster.

First and foremost this falls on the coaching. Players are not even in positions to succeed. How many pass breakups occurred before yesterday? Barely any - WRs/TEs/RBs are running free with nothing being contested. Yesterday was the first time I've seen multiple pass breakups.

On offense, receivers aren't open often enough. Those that are would be the times (plural) we see Marshall drop crossing routes. They still don't use RB screens enough with Forte - I thought his prowess in the pass game was a big reason he was brought here. Silly me.
 

soj

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Hi Seaver, nice to see you back posting...

You know what, I would fire him now and send a dam message to these under-performances twits... all of them. The season is over at 1-4 because our chances of making the playoffs are less than 10% esp with this team as presently constituted. Show the world that someone in this regime has a set of balls. Put everyone on Fking notice... look for a trade for Richardson and others and load on on draft picks. finally, play the youngsters so they get experience. 49 years of watching...I have seen this BS before..about 3 years ago to be exact.
 

NCgreen12

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I was high on Bowles but have seen a bunch of errors starting to pile up. It's amazing to me there's only 32 of these jobs in the entire world and you still get HC's (not just the Jets) that still don't react well to game situations that even an average viewer can see what the right call is. You would think part of their qualifications should be an expert at game management and adjustments. I could even understand if a head coach has a trusted confident by his side or up in the booth helping him; the game could get hectic for one person.

However, not going for it on 4th down or not going for two points in Buffalo a few weeks back are simple tactical moves that an "expert", which our coaches should be, should not missed. Not being able to adjust is another flaw that so many coaches can't do.

I'd still stick with him till the end of the year and re-evaluate. Hopefully he is still learning and can fix his mistakes.
 

lounap23

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With the development of Petty and Hackenburg... It's very clear Bowles and Gailey will be here at minimum thru the 2017 season.....
 

jetgreen13

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With the development of Petty and Hackenburg... It's very clear Bowles and Gailey will be here at minimum thru the 2017 season.....
what does bowles have to do with petty & hackenberg's development?? i would say next to nothing..

if bowles continues to flunk "HC 101" in spectacular fashion, keeping his job for another season can't be a lock..

& if we end up with a new head coach in '17, gaily certainty wouldn't be a lock to keep his job either in that situation..
 
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I don't see anything that indicates that Bowles is bringing anything special to the table here. If football is like chess, then the coach needs to be able to play that game, and we aren't doing it.

BTW, a head coach needs to be in charge of the whole fucking team, end of story. No more of this, "oh, he's not an offensive guy" bullshit. A defensive coach should have plenty of insight into how to attack a defense. Working with their offensive coordinator, they should be able to game plan, using their knowledge of defense to help them. I want a coach who is actually a head coach. Not a defensive coordinators who is promoted beyond their level of ability.
 

lounap23

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what does bowles have to do with petty & hackenberg's development?? i would say next to nothing..

if bowles continues to flunk "HC 101" in spectacular fashion, keeping his job for another season can't be a lock..

& if we end up with a new head coach in '17, gaily certainty wouldn't be a lock to keep his job either in that situation..


You answered your question in the response... If Bowles goes... Gailey goes.... And if Gailey goes the continuity of what Chan and Kevin are doing with Petty and Hack is gone and a new OC and QB coach might want to different things with them that will set them back.... Not to mention their development will be stunted as well by switching Offensive schemes and learn whole new playbook.. So Bowles staying or going has a whole lot more to do with their development than next to nothing ..
 
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If Bowles goes at the end of the year, Woody HAS to give Mac full power to hire his HC, and Mac has to give that new HC full power to hire his own assistants.

That is the way it needs to be.
 

NCgreen12

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One thing much much more important than the coach to me is to figure out who's going to be our QB next year. Unfortunately, I think they would go with Geno and we all know what he is about. I would at this point just release him.

I would love to see Petty under center to at least see if he's our future and after a couple of games if you don't see signs put in Hack. I really don't want to go into next year without QB hope.

At some point we have to get lucky like the rest of the NFL has. I know there's the Namath curse that he sold his soul and the future of the Jet team's fortunes that night but you would think it has to have a term to it.
 

jetgreen13

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You answered your question in the response... If Bowles goes... Gailey goes.... And if Gailey goes the continuity of what Chan and Kevin are doing with Petty and Hack is gone and a new OC and QB coach might want to different things with them that will set them back.... Not to mention their development will be stunted as well by switching Offensive schemes and learn whole new playbook.. So Bowles staying or going has a whole lot more to do with their development than next to nothing ..
it would be nice for petty & hackenberg to not have to learn a new system in '17..

but you don't hold on to a incompetent head coach for continuity's sake..
 

Bigmoe

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If I was in charge I'd give him till the halfway mark of the season.
But I ain't and that's not happening. IMO he's here thru 2017. Uggggg
I blame thus fuckin moron for feeding Bowles to Woody.
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lounap23

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it would be nice for petty & hackenberg to not have to learn a new system in '17..

but you don't hold on to a incompetent head coach for continuity's sake..

I agree 1000% with that. I just gave my opinion as to why I think he could probably get another year..
 

McJet

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Sean Payton is a Super Bowl winning coach,his team has one win so far, Ron Rivara from Carolina just coming off a Super Bowl appearance and his team went 15-1 last year, his team has one win. Pete Caroll was here was 6-5 then lost his last five and his job, how's he looking know? Bill Belicheck was fired from Cleveland for crying' out loud.
Sean Payton has Drew Brees, Ron has Cam, Belicheck has Brady, Caroll has Wilson. Bowles has Fitzpatrick. Give the Jets any one of those QB's and they are 4-1, 3-2 at the very least.
It's amazing how good a coach is when they have a top tier QB.
 

soj

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plase go to : todayspigskin.com/afc/newyorkjets.... written by Andrew Garda and like us lays out that as much as the problem has been with QB it also points a damning picture @ Bowels.

unfortunately I found it accurate...sigh
 
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Mainejet

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plase go to : todayspigskin.com/afc/newyorkjets.... written by Andrew Garda and like us lays out that as much as the problem has been with QB it also points a damning picture @ Bowels.

unfortunately I found it accurate...sigh


Todd Bowles’ mistakes costing Jets as much as Fitzpatrick’s picks



Andrew Garda



By Andrew Garda

Posted on October 12, 2016

New York Jets head coach Todd Bowles couldn't have been happy with the performance of his team on Thursday night.

There’s been a lot of understandable frustration with the quality of quarterback play from the New York Jets. Ryan Fitzpatrick, who both fans and players wanted back, has not been good, throwing 10 interceptions compared to just five touchdowns. Many of his interceptions come in the fourth quarter and many take place in the red zone.

It’s safe to say that there is a significant portion of the blame for the Jets 1-4 start which can be placed on the quarterback’s shoulders.

The same can be said for the head coach, Todd Bowles.

The second year coach has made some maddening decisions this season. The most recent was punting on 4th-and-2 on their own 46-yard line, down 24-13 in the fourth quarter against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The idea was, according to Bowles, to pin the Pittsburgh Steelers deep in their own territory, get a three-and-out and then score.

This is despite all evidence to the contrary, because the Jets’ defense had yet to find a way to prevent the Steelers offense from scoring, save for brief moments. Suddenly, the Jets were going to play stout defense?

Belief in your team is good, but blind faith is disastrous.

Naturally, the Steelers ripped off a 12-play, 79-yard drive resulting in a touchdown, burning off almost six minutes of the little more than seven remaining.

It’s not just one thing with Bowles. His in-game adjustments are basically non-existent on both sides of the ball, and have been since he arrived last year. While the secondary has been awful, there has been little to no change in scheme, especially in terms of supporting Darrelle Revis — someone any person can see is not the same player he was even a year ago.

Clock management, play selection, bad penalties, sloppy play—even if you are of the mind that the other coaches and the players bear responsibility for those things, it all falls on the head coach.

What might be most concerning is the odd backsliding of a team which looked sharp much of last season, especially on defense. Some of that comes down to personnel, but the lack of adjustments is all Bowles.

A team which was supposed to lean on its defense, led by a defensive-minded head coach and coming off a year when that defense was one of the top units in the NFL, should not be 1-4 and close to playoff elimination in October. It certainly shouldn’t look worse each week.

Perhaps if it were just the defense, the team might overcome it. But the clock management, poor execution (in the loss to Cincinnati), bad quarterback play, turnovers (loss to Kansas City, the loss to Seattle) and misfiring offense (Pittsburgh) make it impossible to do so.

Naturally, anyone could tell that the opening two months of the schedule would be tough to overcome. Still, it’s the poor execution and sloppy play in which they have lost which is cause for concern.

Again, that comes down to the head coach.

Bowles clearly has to make adjustments, and do so immediately.

The problem is that this season, it doesn’t seem to be something he knows how to do. That failure is as responsible for the four losses the Jets have suffered as much as Fitzpatrick’s turnovers.

Really, you can make the argument that the failure is even more responsible for them.
 

soj

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Frankly, I would be shocked - shocked - if Bowles makes any changes in the next two weeks which by then will sink the team and him....
 
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Mainejet

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Frankly, I would be shocked - shocked - if Bowles makes any changes in the next two weeks which by then will sink the team and him....

Well, he'd better do something. This team is rapidly sinking down the tubes with their playoff hopes dashed before the season barely even got started. If he does not make some sort of changes, and I don't necessarily mean player wise, the season will sink into the abyss. I do not believe there will be any excuses for Bowles or get out of jail free cards to play if this team goes like 5-11 like I expect........
 

SackExchange

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I hope this finally puts the "head-to-head is more important than record" argument to bed. Bowles beat Rex head-to-head, but I'd be hard-pressed to find many Jets fans saying Bowles is a better HC.
 
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