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Well, YOU did right after the Buffalo game. How's that claim working out for you now?
Well, YOU did right after the Buffalo game. How's that claim working out for you now?
During his presser today he alluded to the fact that he made changes on D BUT would not elaborate. When pressed he got annoyed and said I made changes... lets hope they work out.
No. What I argued was that by your head-to-head standard, Bowles was better.
I don't believe it to be the case. I have always thought record is the true reflection. And right now, Bowles is a 1-5 coach.
he needs to know when to speak or keep quiet...
mentioning he made changes opens the flood doors for media to dig and try to poke him until he reveals what changes...
now media are going to try to get it out of him and/or the players, it is just his inexperience of being the head guy but he is still learning...
mentioning he made changes opens the flood doors for media to dig and try to poke him until he reveals what changes...
now media are going to try to get it out of him and/or the players, it is just his inexperience of being the head guy but he is still learning...
He never had a chance with this fan base. Going 10-6 in his first year did not keep him from being abused by Jets fans. For whatever reasons, Jets fans decided some time back that Bowles should be gone.
He has done himself no favors with an awful first six games of his second season. He's earned the scorn now. My problem is that he had the scorn before the slow start this year.
He has done himself no favors with an awful first six games of his second season. He's earned the scorn now. My problem is that he had the scorn before the slow start this year.
again everyone is so used to the outgoing type of Rex Ryan and is expecting a reaction by Bowles which is not his style... the media has been trying to get under his skin since the off season... just give him a chance, I really do believe he will turn things around...
people wonder if he is so laid back in the locker room as in front of the cameras and the answer is no, well at least what some players expressed in their own words...
have to understand the nucleus of players last year are still here but the schedule last year compared to the games we just suffered through are on two opposite ends of the spectrum...
maybe I am ultra optimistic but I see the majority of these players trying, but for some reason it isn't the scheme but the lack of communication on defense that is the major issue... the continuity is not there yet, for the life of I can not explain why that is but someone has to step up on defense and take control to bring everyone on the same page... not for a lack of talent but if they can gel, the execution will improve... maybe the schedule hit us in the mouth and the next few games which are easier will allow this team to come together, hopefully...
on offense I believed from jump street that Fitzpatrick was the issue after game 3 and we waited to long to make a move, I understand we paid him a sum of moola but around the league it is widely considered backup money... I don't like Geno, I do think Petty has made positive strides and is almost there... Hack is in year one of three of his development... I also believe Gailey who had full faith to run the offense how he see fit like Fitzpatrick needed to have the reigns pulled in on both but now that Geno is under center he doesn't or won't have the same freedom under center that Fitzpatrick had, hopefully that will be more than enough to balance out the game plan enough that Geno won't screw the offense with turnovers...
wait n see, it can not get any worse...
people wonder if he is so laid back in the locker room as in front of the cameras and the answer is no, well at least what some players expressed in their own words...
have to understand the nucleus of players last year are still here but the schedule last year compared to the games we just suffered through are on two opposite ends of the spectrum...
maybe I am ultra optimistic but I see the majority of these players trying, but for some reason it isn't the scheme but the lack of communication on defense that is the major issue... the continuity is not there yet, for the life of I can not explain why that is but someone has to step up on defense and take control to bring everyone on the same page... not for a lack of talent but if they can gel, the execution will improve... maybe the schedule hit us in the mouth and the next few games which are easier will allow this team to come together, hopefully...
on offense I believed from jump street that Fitzpatrick was the issue after game 3 and we waited to long to make a move, I understand we paid him a sum of moola but around the league it is widely considered backup money... I don't like Geno, I do think Petty has made positive strides and is almost there... Hack is in year one of three of his development... I also believe Gailey who had full faith to run the offense how he see fit like Fitzpatrick needed to have the reigns pulled in on both but now that Geno is under center he doesn't or won't have the same freedom under center that Fitzpatrick had, hopefully that will be more than enough to balance out the game plan enough that Geno won't screw the offense with turnovers...
wait n see, it can not get any worse...
the most disturbing problem bowles had (IMO) his rookie season was his team started 4 to 5 games flat..
he's done absolutely nothing this season to correct that.. if anything, the problem has gotten worse..
you would think he would have rethought his no game is more important than another, nonsense.....
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Well, I believe you, I just thought at that time that you had tunnel vision thinking Bowles was miles better than Rex Ryan. The fact is objectively, Rex is more than likely a better HC than Todd Bowles. The debacle that is currently happening is happening while there is actually a considerable amount of talent on this team. That is far more egregious than Rex going 4-12 with virtually no talent in 2014.
I know Rex is never coming back. That's a fact. I just want Jets fans to get off their high horse and start to see things for what they are. I always thought was a great guy. He was a TEAM guy and he always had the players backs. He was as loyal as any man I have ever seen, sometimes to a fault. Those are great human qualities that most never show. I also very much believe there is substance to Tanny and Idzik blaming Rex Ryan and deliberately not going after any FA and drafting like shit, just because they thought they get Rex Ryan out of town and eventually get who they wanted. I am glad that blew up in their faces. The fact is their job was to put a good product on the field for Jets fans to enjoy and not have some type of stupid personal vendetta against the HC just because they did not like how brash and outspoken he was. That's shallow...
I can back what G said in AZ when he needed to light a fire he did. Give the man a chance. I along with many AZ fans would take him back in a minute. I want him on the Jets to turn things around for us but Woody gets rid of him I want him back on AZ to step in for BA when he retires.
As Jet fans we need to calm down. If you want woody gone I am OK with that but we always want to fire everybody else.
Give this group time Fitz & Marshall will be gone soon so happy days will be here again soon.
As Jet fans we need to calm down. If you want woody gone I am OK with that but we always want to fire everybody else.
Give this group time Fitz & Marshall will be gone soon so happy days will be here again soon.
I have a problem with the 4th down thing. Seven minutes left kick the ball is not all that bad.
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I think punting on 4th and 2 with seven and a half minutes remaining and the team down two scores is the worst decision you could possibly make. That proved to me that toilet bowles will never be the guy for this team. He plays way too conservative and has no imagination whatsoever. He plays "Not to lose". I did not like Herm Edwards for that very reason.......
This is a philosophical issue. You can have a guy who is steady, who treats every game the same. Or you can have a guy who brings his team up for big games, but with the understanding that you are going to have letdowns.
My bigger concern is with Bowles' teams too often starting slow, both in games and in seasons. The Bengals game is an exception, but in general his teams are slow off the blocks. Last year the team started games slow, and they got off to a slow start in terms of record - just like this year.
It wasn't as much tunnel vision as it was pointing out that there needs to be consistency. Either record or head-to-head is the barometer. It can't be head-to-head when Rex is 8-8, but 2-0 against Bowles (10-6), but then record when Rex is 4-2 and Bowles 1-5, but Bowles is 1-0 against Rex.
There needs to be consistency. To me, I always prefer record, as well as the larger sample size. In both cases, since Bowles became the Jets' HC, he is 11-11, while Rex is 12-10, and Rex is 2-1 against him.
The thing is, I think Bowles could end up being a good HC some day. He was an excellent coordinator, and has the former player perspective that few current head coaches have. But it will take some time, and Jets fans would never remain patient for it.
i suspect bowles' "philosophical issues" & his team consistently coming out flat/starting games slow go hand & hand..
add that i believe bowles is as stubborn as he is incompetent..
i suggest we cut bait at season's end because i have zero confidence he would fix things in year three..
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And we shouldn't have to. Whether you like it or not, toilet Bowles has a much higher standard to live up to because REX set a higher standard. Rex immediately took a pretty well stocked and talented team and immediately had them flirting with the SB. That's now the standard. Toilet Bowles sucking A$$ early in his second season is unacceptable based on the fact that Rex had so much early success. And really even if toilet didn't have to live up to a higher standard, this season would still be unacceptable. So by any measure toilet sucks and should be fired sooner rather than later.
And this is the point I have been making everyone is comparing Todd Bowles to Rex Ryan and it isn't fair...
Rex was a successful failure... Yes first two years we went to the playoffs um what happened after that, oh yeah he got our GM fired, he got another GM fired along with himself... Big mouth big bravado and outspoken in the locker room and in front of the cameras but that is who he is not who Bowles is...
Todd Bowles inherited an aging locker room... Players that were near the end or passed their prime and yet in his first year albeit a successful failure he is already on the chopping block...
Last year's schedule was easy we should of been in the playoffs but we had a journeyman quarterback who continued his sub par playing this year... It showed this year because the schedule so far was brutal, our defense can only cover up so much bad play from the offense injuries aside...
It is not time to bail on this coaching staff or front office, most players go through a sophomore slump well our coaches are going through one too, give them a chance to prove themselves... This franchise will never be able to move forward if after two years we are changing out coaches and front office personnel, we are starting to look worse then the Cleveland Browns...
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Do you even read what you are posting? You are making excuses when the fact is this team was EXPECTED to compete for a playoff spot. Instead, they are out of it 6 games in.
And Todd Bowles inherited a team that Mac had just spent 50 million dollars on free agents. Mac CODDLED Todd Bowles. He has spoiled him. He even went as far as to draft a linebacker that was very clearly not suited to play in a 3-4, but because Bowles wanted him? He got him.
Meanwhile, this coaching staff has been worse than pathetic. Even the expected strengths on this team have not even met the most minimal thresholds. EVERY issue with this team ultimately fall son the Head Coach.
Stop making excuses. Start being objective and seeing this season for what it is....
Rex had a lot of success early, and then is just declined over time. Besides, you may not like it being said, but Bowles had a better record in his first year than Rex had in his - plus, he inherited a team with a worse record the year before. In the long term, Jets fans will never allow a head coach to actually develop.
Unfortunately, the same is true for quarterbacks. It's a large part of the reason the Jets can't actually establish franchise HCs or QBs. Ridiculous impatience.
I would love to reiterate that Bowles inherited a 4-12 team and took them to 10-6, while Rex inherited a 9-7 team and took them to 9-7. But too often here, I have been told record is irrelevant, for whatever reason.
Look, Bowles deserves to be bashed for the awful start to this year. I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with those who praise Rex's greatness and bash Bowles. It ignores the evidence.