How long before we make a switch at HC?

[gmf1369]

I would love to reiterate that Bowles inherited a 4-12 team and took them to 10-6, while Rex inherited a 9-7 team and took them to 9-7. But too often here, I have been told record is irrelevant, for whatever reason.

Look, Bowles deserves to be bashed for the awful start to this year. I have no problem with that. But I do have a problem with those who praise Rex's greatness and bash Bowles. It ignores the evidence.

when TB came here it was widely expected the Jets to be a 4-6 win team the first year and we went 10-6 not because he was a mastermind because of other feats like teams we played were less talented then we were... but last season was a failure to the point when we needed to win we couldn't against those better than average teams...

those keys games last year basically were the first six weeks this year all clumped together, showed who certain players are...

any time a new head coach comes in with his coaching staff especially this is his first stint as head coach have to give them at least 3 years before we can say if he is the right fit or not...

Kacy Rodgers a 4-3 d line coach came in to be the D coordinator and has continued the great d line play against the run... but because we have to play off man coverage there is no pass rush because teams are throwing short... quick releases void our pass rush by the d line and linebackers... but Monday against the Cards when our corners played aggressive jamming at the los our d line and linebackers were more successful albeit a successful failure because we abandoned our responsibilities against the run and got torched by the run...

this defense is in need of speed at the defensive back roles, but we dont have that at the moment but communication needs to improve and we should be able to compensate while playing the type of defense that TB wants to run... with the schedule becoming more easier, the team should improve and build that continuity down the stretch...

the season is far from lost, but it isn't the best of spots to be in...

 

[Mainejet]

Rex had a lot of success early, and then is just declined over time. Besides, you may not like it being said, but Bowles had a better record in his first year than Rex had in his - plus, he inherited a team with a worse record the year before. In the long term, Jets fans will never allow a head coach to actually develop.

Unfortunately, the same is true for quarterbacks. It's a large part of the reason the Jets can't actually establish franchise HCs or QBs. Ridiculous impatience.

If you honestly think that then why even bother to root for the team? What you are saying is that Woody sucks and the fans do not know what they are doing?

I think what you are saying is absurd. I do not believe any part of it. This season was about the Jets competing for a playoff spot. Instead, they are competing for the number 1 pick. They had what was widely considered to be the very best DL in the league. Instead, they are pathetic and useless, They are a bunch of bums. That ALL falls on coaching.

And in regards to Rex, Rex may have won one fewer game than Todd Bowles in his first season, but he also won two playoff games on the road. That is BETTER than anything toilet Bowles did last season.

 

[SackExchange]

If you honestly think that then why even bother to root for the team? What you are saying is that Woody sucks and the fans do not know what they are doing?

I think what you are saying is absurd. I do not believe any part of it. This season was about the Jets competing for a playoff spot. Instead, they are competing for the number 1 pick. They had what was widely considered to be the very best DL in the league. Instead, they are pathetic and useless, They are a bunch of bums. That ALL falls on coaching.

And in regards to Rex, Rex may have won one fewer game than Todd Bowles in his first season, but he also won two playoff games on the road. That is BETTER than anything toilet Bowles did last season.

I have zero faith in Jets fans. I root for the team, but I don't necessarily hold the fan base in the highest regard.

As for Woody, I wouldn't say he sucks. I'd say he gets pressured by a fan base that might say it would be patient enough to allow a true foundation to be built, but we all know that would be a lie.

And regarding the playoffs, using that to bash Bowles is a bit ridiculous. Rex was lucky enough to coach the Jets in a year when 9 wins was enough to get you in. Bowles was unlucky enough to coach the Jets in a year when 10 wins was not enough. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Bowles deserves to be bashed for this year, and for the fact that in 1 3/8ths seasons, he has yet to beat a good team.

 

[Mainejet]

I have zero faith in Jets fans. I root for the team, but I don't necessarily hold the fan base in the highest regard.

As for Woody, I wouldn't say he sucks. I'd say he gets pressured by a fan base that might say it would be patient enough to allow a true foundation to be built, but we all know that would be a lie.

And regarding the playoffs, using that to bash Bowles is a bit ridiculous. Rex was lucky enough to coach the Jets in a year when 9 wins was enough to get you in. Bowles was unlucky enough to coach the Jets in a year when 10 wins was not enough. Sorry, but it's the truth.

Bowles deserves to be bashed for this year, and for the fact that in 1 3/8ths seasons, he has yet to beat a good team.

Then God only knows why you are actually rooting for this team? Your take on this team and fan base is extremely depressing. But just so you know? EVERY team and fan base is very similar to the Jets.

I am all for building something meaningful and long term, but it does not make any sense to allow a season in which the team was supposed to make the playoffs but yet things have gone awry on so many levels.

There are NO Head Coaches that have ever been attached to something long term and yet been so bad this early. The ONLY way things can build into something long term is when the HC shows some kind of promise in the early going.

Many HC's have won 10 games in their inaugural season, but it's only when that sign of promise continues that it can build into something long term. That is not happening here. Todd Bowles won 10 games his first season, but the fact is, and whether you think it is fair or not, he did NOT make the playoffs. He disappointed the fan base in a big way in the final game of the season. This season that trend has only continued to get worse and more evident. It is what it is.

There's no reason to jump off a building because your takes are different than most others. Changing HC's is a normal thing that happens all the time. It's actually very few and far between that you get something long term and meaningful.

 

[SackExchange]

Then God only knows why you are actually rooting for this team? Your take on this team and fan base is extremely depressing. But just so you know? EVERY team and fan base is very similar to the Jets.

I am all for building something meaningful and long term, but it does not make any sense to allow a season in which the team was supposed to make the playoffs but yet things have gone awry on so many levels.

There are NO Head Coaches that have ever been attached to something long term and yet been so bad this early. The ONLY way things can build into something long term is when the HC shows some kind of promise in the early going.

Many HC's have won 10 games in their inaugural season, but it's only when that sign of promise continues that it can build into something long term. That is not happening here. Todd Bowles won 10 games his first season, but the fact is, and whether you think it is fair or not, he did NOT make the playoffs. He disappointed the fan base in a big way in the final game of the season. This season that trend has only continued to get worse and more evident. It is what it is.

There's no reason to jump off a building because your takes are different than most others. Changing HC's is a normal thing that happens all the time. It's actually very few and far between that you get something long term and meaningful.

Why would I base my rooting on how I feel about a team's fans? And it seems ironic that you are suggesting my take on the team is depressing, all things considered.

You are right, though, about how an early sign of promise can be misleading. Just look at Rex. Nine wins wasn't bad in his first year, but then 11-5 was fantastic. After that, no sustained success.

 

[butterscotch]

I think punting on 4th and 2 with seven and a half minutes remaining and the team down two scores is the worst decision you could possibly make. That proved to me that toilet bowles will never be the guy for this team. He plays way too conservative and has no imagination whatsoever. He plays "Not to lose". I did not like Herm Edwards for that very reason.......

That was not the TB I knew in AZ. In fact far from it. HC is not the same as DC but it is too early to judge him,


That call was not a bad call

 

[Mainejet]

Why would I base my rooting on how I feel about a team's fans? And it seems ironic that you are suggesting my take on the team is depressing, all things considered.

You are right, though, about how an early sign of promise can be misleading. Just look at Rex. Nine wins wasn't bad in his first year, but then 11-5 was fantastic. After that, no sustained success.

And ZERO talent to work with......NOT the case with Todd Bowles...

 

[Mainejet]

That was not the TB I knew in AZ. In fact far from it. HC is not the same as DC but it is too early to judge him,


That call was not a bad call

My A$$ it wasn't. Just about every single person that has seen it in Jets land and in the media all say it was a real head scratcher. But please don't let objectivity get in the way of your nonsensical rant.

 

[SackExchange]

And ZERO talent to work with......NOT the case with Todd Bowles...

I would very much dispute the notion that Rex had zero talent to work with his first two years.

 

[Mainejet]

When a coach starts any new player (especially a QB) for a 'spark', that is a bad sign....for the coach. Coaches that rely on players for a 'spark' are coaches that are passing accountability and admitting they don't have the ability or control to drive the team.

Let's face it. The team has been been playing generally poorly. Fitz has not been playing well but the team as a whole has not either. Dropped balls, fumbles, interceptions, penalties. The team is clearly playing below its talent level. This is a coaches job to remedy and if coach has convinced himself that he is going to bench his starting qb to get a 'spark' marks the beginning of his end. Todd, I hope you enjoyed your stay in NY. Talk a walk and enjoy the culture, sites and sounds before the fans start chanting 'Flush toilet Bowles'.

 

[Mainejet]

I would very much dispute the notion that Rex had zero talent to work with his first two years.

Of course you would, but ironically enough that's when Rex had all of his success? Kind of makes sense now doesn't it?

 

[butterscotch]

When a coach starts any new player (especially a QB) for a 'spark', that is a bad sign....for the coach. Coaches that rely on players for a 'spark' are coaches that are passing accountability and admitting they don't have the ability or control to drive the team.

Let's face it. The team has been been playing generally poorly. Fitz has not been playing well but the team as a whole has not either. Dropped balls, fumbles, interceptions, penalties. The team is clearly playing below its talent level. This is a coaches job to remedy and if coach has convinced himself that he is going to bench his starting qb to get a 'spark' marks the beginning of his end. Todd, I hope you enjoyed your stay in NY. Talk a walk and enjoy the culture, sites and sounds before the fans start chanting 'Flush toilet Bowles'.

Do we really know for sure that TB was the one to make that QB change & do we know all the facts?

I agree on the rest of the post......In fact the Black cats & Cardinals should fire their coaches the teams have so much talent & look at their records LOL

 

[butterscotch]

My A$$ it wasn't. Just about every single person that has seen it in Jets land and in the media all say it was a real head scratcher. But please don't let objectivity get in the way of your nonsensical rant.

I did not say I would make the same choice as TB did that day..... what I say is it was not a bad call. I don't care what anyone says. When Al dark pinch hit Hoyt Wilhelm (sp) a pitcher that had no hits in 1951 when he had better hitters on the bench he did not care that maybe no one in baseball would have done it....He got the hit to win the game. When Weeb used the injured Maynard in SB lll instead of Bake Turner many others may not have done that. It is called gut feeling. When Ruth tried to steal 2nd in the 9th against the Cards & it cost the Yanks the WS I think it was not a bad call. But it is talked about today as a bad baseball move.

 

[SackExchange]

Of course you would, but ironically enough that's when Rex had all of his success? Kind of makes sense now doesn't it?

So you are saying Rex made it to consecutive AFC title games, and went 11-5, with no talent on the team?