Is David Harris contract Really One of FA's Worst?

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Is David Harris' new Jets contract really one of 2015 free agency's worst?

Jets inside linebacker David Harris (52) signed a contract with $15 million in guarantees just before the start of 2015 free agency. (Brad Barr | USA TODAY Sports)
Dom Cosentino | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com By Dom Cosentino | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
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on March 17, 2015 at 12:15 PM, updated March 17, 2015 at 1:13 PM



Free agency is a week old, which means it's time for everyone to judge every move that's getting made, never mind there won't be any actual football that counts for another six months.

Bill Barnwell of Grantland needed a mere two days to weigh in with a verdict on the worst free agent contracts out there (so far), with inside linebacker David Harris' new deal to remain with the Jets making Barnwell's list.

You can read all of Barnwell's analysis over yonder, but I'm pulling out these two paragraphs just because:

At 31, you would expect him to be on the downside of his career, but it still seemed logical for the post-Kiko Alonso Bills to target Harris as a [Rex] Ryan acolyte in free agency.
The Jets ensured that wouldn't happen by massively overpaying to keep Harris in town. Harris' three-year deal pays out $15 million in guaranteed money over the next two seasons, a deal that stands out as an outlier among similar players. Harris comes away with the fourth-largest guarantee for an inside linebacker, and no veteran with a contract as big as Harris' has a larger percentage of his money guaranteed. And this comes for a guy who was declining!
On the surface, this isn't an unreasonable opinion. Harris is on the decline. But Barnwell also overlooks a few factors:

1. The Jets wanted Harris back. Badly. General manager Mike Maccagnan and head coach Todd Bowles came right out and said as much at the combine last month. Barnwell himself noted that Rex Ryan's Bills would be in play, especially after the Bills shipped Alonso to the Eagles. The Jets did what they could to hang on to Harris before the Bills would even get a chance to make an offer.

2. This deal sends a message. Harris is one of the most respected veterans in the locker room. In eight prior seasons, he rarely came off the field. He knows the system, knows the surroundings. Remember, Harris and the Jets reached an agreement just before the start of free agency. After all the negativity generated by previous GM John Idzik's tight-fistedness, this was a way to let the roster's young players know productivity and leadership would be rewarded. This was true even though Harris had just played the duration of a lucrative contract.

3. This deal doesn't break the Jets. The Jets had to spend in 2015 and '16: The league's cash spending rules required it. And the salary cap went up 7.7 percent from where it was 2014. Salaries, in turn, are going to rise, too—which is why it's a bit disingenuous to say simply that Harris has the fourth-highest guarantee for an inside linebacker. In another year or two, that likely won't be true. And while Harris did become something of a liability in coverage last year, the Jets now have plenty of other players in the secondary who can compensate for that.

4. The fine print isn't that bad. On its face, $21.5 million for three years with $15 million guaranteed looks like a lot. But forget those first two figures; as with most any NFL contract, especially for a player over 30, the guaranteed money is all that matters. And Harris' $15 million in guarantees is entirely front-loaded into the first two years of that deal. If he continues to show his age and the Jets have to release him (or "part ways" in the current kinder, gentler NFL parlance), they can do that after next season and owe Harris nothing.

5. This deal fits a pattern. The details on Antonio Cromartie's and Marcus Gilchrist's contracts haven't yet been made available, but the guarantees in the Jets' other major free agent deals—Darrelle Revis, Buster Skrine, James Carpenter—are pretty well tied to 2015 and '16, when, as noted above, the Jets had to spend: Skrine's and Carpenter's guarantees run out after 2016, and the last $6 million of Revis's guarantee stretches only as far as 2017, when Revis will be 32. Why is this important? Because the Jets still have to get an extension done for Muhammad Wilkerson and (eventually) Sheldon Richardson. But by front-loading all of the deals they've cut this spring, the Jets still have plenty of flexibility to hand out those extensions with large signing bonuses that can be pro-rated to spread out the cap hit. Harris' deal, in particular, does nothing to affect that.

Dom Cosentino may be reached at dcosentino@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @domcosentino. Find NJ.com Jets on Facebook.
 
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flgreen

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Good article, and good cap management by the Jets. The current 4 year window ends in 2016, and the Jets get to reload in 2017
 

Football51

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IMO, it's not bad because of the way it was structured. You could argue that he's over payed, but the team decided to reward a homegrown talent who has always conducted himself with class on and off the field.
 

cysporsche

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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Did we over pay because he's worth it @ 31, or did we over pay to keep him away from joining Rex with the Bills, should be the question ?

Go Jets....Cyborg
 
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Jet Setter

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I can't argue with this guy. I was hoping they would go in a different direction at ILB. I wanted Harris gone last offseason. I was stunned by this signing.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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I don't think the Jets felt there were better options. You drop Harris, and add who to replace him?

Harris is still a decent player. Stout against the run.
 

HYATT™

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Management always earns more than the worker bees.
Harris is now a semi-coach on the field and being paid to be a locker-room leader, which is partially a management job.

How many other UFA ILBs would you hire to train up young talent?
Most of them still need to be managed by a babysitter themselves, (Hardy, for example.)
If it helps, view Harris' contract thus;

$21M over 3 years.

$5M/year X3 - for a solid HEALTHY veteran run-stuffer - well in the ballpark of just about every decent run-stuffing ILB in the NFL.

$1M/year X2 - for coaching up young players and passing on his veteran experience and knowledge of the game. (A bit high for an assistant LB coach, but not overly so as LB coaches get paid in the $750k range coming in cold with no knowledge of the system in place or the players they'll be instructing.)

$1M/year X2 - for being an assistant DC, calling out formations and adjustments - just on the field and not the sidelines. (Again, perhaps higher than you'd pay someone else, but it's that previous experience and knowledge you are paying for that you can't buy anywhere else. Harris has a unique set of qualifications, making him "rare" on the market - FOR THE JETS JOB he'll be doing. Rarity carries a premium.)

$1M/year X2 - to keep him from going to BUF. (It's blackmail money, I know, but Rex made it too damn easy to blackmail the Jets by taking the BUF job, so it is what it is. If the Jets didn't want to be blackmailed, maybe they shouldn't have fired Rex.)

That help it go down any easier?
 

Jet Blast

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Did we over pay because he's worth it @ 31, or did we over pay to keep him away from joining Rex with the Bills, should be the question ?

Go Jets....Cyborg

A little bit of both.

What many fail to consider is that with the higher cap and the market, the salaries have gone up. What was a fair price last year is old news.
 

hobson54

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it was probably an overpay, but given the market, the alternatives, the competition for his services, and what he means to the team, it was worth it.
 
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HYATT™;22026 said:
Management always earns more than the worker bees.
Harris is now a semi-coach on the field and being paid to be a locker-room leader, which is partially a management job.

How many other UFA ILBs would you hire to train up young talent?
Most of them still need to be managed by a babysitter themselves, (Hardy, for example.)
If it helps, view Harris' contract thus;

$21M over 3 years.

$5M/year X3 - for a solid HEALTHY veteran run-stuffer - well in the ballpark of just about every decent run-stuffing ILB in the NFL.

$1M/year X2 - for coaching up young players and passing on his veteran experience and knowledge of the game. (A bit high for an assistant LB coach, but not overly so as LB coaches get paid in the $750k range coming in cold with no knowledge of the system in place or the players they'll be instructing.)

$1M/year X2 - for being an assistant DC, calling out formations and adjustments - just on the field and not the sidelines. (Again, perhaps higher than you'd pay someone else, but it's that previous experience and knowledge you are paying for that you can't buy anywhere else. Harris has a unique set of qualifications, making him "rare" on the market - FOR THE JETS JOB he'll be doing. Rarity carries a premium.)

$1M/year X2 - to keep him from going to BUF. (It's blackmail money, I know, but Rex made it too damn easy to blackmail the Jets by taking the BUF job, so it is what it is. If the Jets didn't want to be blackmailed, maybe they shouldn't have fired Rex.)

That help it go down any easier?

Who exactly is Harris training? There's no young talent. Certainly not Davis who's played for 3 years alongside him. With Bellore not being resigned, can you name the backup ILB's? Without looking at the roster? I betcha can't.

I don't go along with signing a 2-down, aging liability in coverage simply to keep him from being exploited on Rex' team. I'd invite that. And for a team that has been in the top 5 in rush defense since the arrival of Harrison and Sheldon, what exactly is the need for a run-stuffing ILB? I still haven't seen a compelling argument for signing him, especially at 7.5M per year! Am I the only one who has been cursing him for chasing everyone on the field in vain the past 3 years? And now 3 more???!!!! Unreal.

And calling out plays? When is Demario going to be that guy? Surely he's ready for that after 3 full seasons.
And this is a new defense. He has no expertise in Bowles' system.

I'm thoroughly convinced he will be the weak link in this defense with teams constantly picking on him with RB's out of the backfield and TE's.
For this team, he was not needed. At all.
Obviously, I'm wrong as the team pursued him. I just can't figure out why.
 

NickSINYC

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Who exactly is Harris training? There's no young talent. Certainly not Davis who's played for 3 years alongside him. With Bellore not being resigned, can you name the backup ILB's? Without looking at the roster? I betcha can't.

I don't go along with signing a 2-down, aging liability in coverage simply to keep him from being exploited on Rex' team. I'd invite that. And for a team that has been in the top 5 in rush defense since the arrival of Harrison and Sheldon, what exactly is the need for a run-stuffing ILB? I still haven't seen a compelling argument for signing him, especially at 7.5M per year! Am I the only one who has been cursing him for chasing everyone on the field in vain the past 3 years? And now 3 more???!!!! Unreal.

And calling out plays? When is Demario going to be that guy? Surely he's ready for that after 3 full seasons.
And this is a new defense. He has no expertise in Bowles' system.

For this team, he was not needed. At all.
Obviously, I'm wrong as the team pursued him. I just can't figure out why.

I echo a lot of your sentiments but for me it comes down to Bowles wanted him or he would be gone. That is good enough for me. I trust his over my opinion.
 

HYATT™

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
I echo a lot of your sentiments but for me it comes down to Bowles wanted him or he would be gone. That is good enough for me. I trust his over my opinion.
Bowles had credentials.
Ultimately, as with any new management team, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
"Trust - but verify." - as a famous U.S. President once said.

Jet Setter, I completely understand your disagreement with my opinions, logical reasoning.
HYATT™ isn't 100% in agreement with his own expressions of them either.
It was simply an exercise in how to swallow the re-signing a little bit more easily - rationalization, if you will.
 
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Jet Setter

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HYATT™;22040 said:
Bowles had credentials.
Ultimately, as with any new management team, you have to give them the benefit of the doubt.
"Trust - but verify." - as a famous U.S. President once said.

Jet Setter, I completely understand your disagreement with my opinions, logical reasoning.
HYATT™ isn't 100% in agreement with his own expressions of them either.
It was simply an exercise in how to swallow the re-signing a little bit more easily - rationalization, if you will.

Yeah, I'm still trying obviously.
 

mykcuz

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Who exactly is Harris training? There's no young talent. Certainly not Davis who's played for 3 years alongside him. With Bellore not being resigned, can you name the backup ILB's? Without looking at the roster? I betcha can't.

I don't go along with signing a 2-down, aging liability in coverage simply to keep him from being exploited on Rex' team. I'd invite that. And for a team that has been in the top 5 in rush defense since the arrival of Harrison and Sheldon, what exactly is the need for a run-stuffing ILB? I still haven't seen a compelling argument for signing him, especially at 7.5M per year! Am I the only one who has been cursing him for chasing everyone on the field in vain the past 3 years? And now 3 more???!!!! Unreal.

And calling out plays? When is Demario going to be that guy? Surely he's ready for that after 3 full seasons.
And this is a new defense. He has no expertise in Bowles' system.

I'm thoroughly convinced he will be the weak link in this defense with teams constantly picking on him with RB's out of the backfield and TE's.
For this team, he was not needed. At all.
Obviously, I'm wrong as the team pursued him. I just can't figure out why.
Beasley. ..
Harris is not in decline, he was out of position on a team with no secondary. If you try to chop wood with a shovel, you're going to look stupid. This regime knows who Harris is and how old he is. Rex ran up the price on him but he's still a pro bowl caliber backer.

Remember there were several years where he was snubbed by pro bowl voting.
 
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Beasley. ..
Harris is not in decline, he was out of position on a team with no secondary. If you try to chop wood with a shovel, you're going to look stupid. This regime knows who Harris is and how old he is. Rex ran up the price on him but he's still a pro bowl caliber backer.

Remember there were several years where he was snubbed by pro bowl voting.

Beasley plays a different position. I don't think he's going to take pass rushing pointers and god forbid, coverage pointers from Harris. And Harris is far from Pro bowl material. But you can believe that conspiracy theory if you'd like. I'm not even sipping that Kool-Aid.

And now it was the secondary's fault for his struggles. Okay.
 

mykcuz

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Beasley plays a different position. I don't think he's going to take pass rushing pointers and god forbid, coverage pointers from Harris. And Harris is far from Pro bowl material. But you can believe that conspiracy theory if you'd like. I'm not even sipping that Kool-Aid.

And now it was the secondary's fault for his struggles. Okay.
I don't think you understand how defense works. Just because Harris isn't a stud rusher, doesn't mean he doesn't know responsibilities for other positions on the field. He can see personnel and offensive adjustments and reposition our defenders or change the defense.
 

mykcuz

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Beasley plays a different position. I don't think he's going to take pass rushing pointers and god forbid, coverage pointers from Harris. And Harris is far from Pro bowl material. But you can believe that conspiracy theory if you'd like. I'm not even sipping that Kool-Aid.

And now it was the secondary's fault for his struggles. Okay.
Conspiracy? Every news show across the country ran the headline that he was snubbed, two years in a row. The guy was a top tackler in the league for several seasons.
 

Football51

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I think we're talking about now. 5 seasons have passed. I'm not claiming he was never good. I'm saying his best days are long behind us. mykcuz disagrees.



I was just replying to the idea that he had been snubbed for the Pro Bowl in years' past. I think he was......... in 2009,2010, and possibly in 2011. I think he's still an above average run stuffer and an above average blitzer. I think a lot of the perception of Harris is because Ryan used him poorly at times. No lb, let alone a 250lb one, should be covering a slot wr(Golden Tate). If used properly(like I believe Bowles will), Harris can be a productive player moving forward for us.
 
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