Is it at all possible that Geno Smith has developed this year to being a real QB this year?

[jets82]

There is a lot of animosity towards geno, and people making statements with their emotions instead of their head. There is a good chance Fitzpatrick will beat Geno, and vice versa; however, for those that remember Fitzpatrick on the Bills, He always made that 1-2 big INTs that broke their back. Even when they were playing well with gaily, he always seemed to make that back breaking play that kept them out of the play-off hunt.

My point, is Fitzpatrick had 17 TDs and 8 INTs last year...but the Texans were still only 6-6 when he got hurt; im guessing, because those mission critical INTs we saw on the Bills still happened for the Texans...or QB guru Bill O'Brien wouldn't be okay with dumping him for a 7th and going with Hoyer and Mallet. Normally, teams would be excited about a QB rated #9 with a 17-8 TD:INT ratio...the texans were not. Remember the analogy one man's trash is another's man's gold? Well, Fitzpatrick has been on the Rams, Titans, Texans, Bills, and now the Jets for a reason...he wasnt the answer there (trash) and wont be gold here.

It doesnt mean Geno will be any better, but as Jim Miller and Pat Kirwin said yesterday, if the Jets go with Fitzpatrick week 1, they already gave up on the season...there's a reason he's never been a QB of a winning team (Bills records while there, 6-10, 4-12, 6-10, 6-10)...

Took the words right out my mouth, I couldn't of said it better. If we are depending on Fitz to be our QB this year, it will a long season. Start the season off with Geno (only if he legitimately wins the starting job) or a rookie (if they draft one and they legitimately win the starting job). If all else fails either way, then bring in Fitz to end off a horrible season because if he is coming in to play games, I doubt he will be saving our season. I didn't realize how many teams he actually played for but he did for a reason, he is just not that good. Well, not good enough to be anyone's consistent starter and lead them to contender status.

 

[sg3]

Fitz>>GeNO


Geno STINKS

Please MacBowles...get him out of here and close the books on this BUST

 

[LIJETFAN]

Fitz>>GeNO


Geno STINKS

Please MacBowles...get him out of here and close the books on this BUST

Geno is obviously a divisive player. He has been one thing both years, very inconsistent. When he's bad, he's awful. When he's good, he's actually very good. We have seen both from him. I am neither pro nor anti-Geno at this point. Based on what we have seen so far, I would say he's not the future. But, he has in my opinion the physical talent to be a very good starter in the league. It's the mental part of the game he hasn't grasped yet. And let's be honest, grooming QBs was not Rex's strong suit. His first year he was playing with the worst receiving corps in football. His second year, the receiving corp improved for sure and you saw some improvement from Geno. He had some terrible games - that first half against Buffalo might have been one of the worst performances I have ever seen by a QB. But, it happens. And he bounced back. If we don't draft a QB in the first round, which seems likely, then it should be an open competition. This is Geno's chance to prove he has improved. And Gailey will use a system similar to what he played in college, so this should be easier for him.

Fitzpatrick, you know what you get. He's a veteran, smart, and can step in and win games. He is turnover prone. But he had his best year with Gailey, so that's a big plus. He's not the long term answer. But you can win with him. He's a game-manager type of QB. Average to above average arm strength, inconsistent with his accuracy and decision-making at times, but smart and knows how to play the game.

With Geno, you are gambling on potentially finding our QB of the future because of his physical talent. With Fitz, you are trying to go 8-8, 9-7. If Geno turns into an NFL starter and the mental part of the game catches up to his his physical ability, the Jets could win 10 or 11 games next year. If he plays like he has the past two years, the Jets would be 6-10 or 5-11. It's a boom or bust situation.

Draft day will tell us one thing, if Mariota is there and they take him, it means they decided Geno is not the answer. If he's there and they pass on him, they think he has the chance. If that is the case, then it should be an open competition in training camp. Let the coaches do their jobs and make the decision. Based on what I see from Bowles and what I know of Gailey, they are not going to make a decision based on emotion, they are going to make the best football decision. And I think we should all trust their judgment at this point.

 

[Superman55]

Geno is obviously a divisive player. He has been one thing both years, very inconsistent. When he's bad, he's awful. When he's good, he's actually very good. We have seen both from him. I am neither pro nor anti-Geno at this point. Based on what we have seen so far, I would say he's not the future. But, he has in my opinion the physical talent to be a very good starter in the league. It's the mental part of the game he hasn't grasped yet. And let's be honest, grooming QBs was not Rex's strong suit. His first year he was playing with the worst receiving corps in football. His second year, the receiving corp improved for sure and you saw some improvement from Geno. He had some terrible games - that first half against Buffalo might have been one of the worst performances I have ever seen by a QB. But, it happens. And he bounced back. If we don't draft a QB in the first round, which seems likely, then it should be an open competition. This is Geno's chance to prove he has improved. And Gailey will use a system similar to what he played in college, so this should be easier for him.

Fitzpatrick, you know what you get. He's a veteran, smart, and can step in and win games. He is turnover prone. But he had his best year with Gailey, so that's a big plus. He's not the long term answer. But you can win with him. He's a game-manager type of QB. Average to above average arm strength, inconsistent with his accuracy and decision-making at times, but smart and knows how to play the game.

With Geno, you are gambling on potentially finding our QB of the future because of his physical talent. With Fitz, you are trying to go 8-8, 9-7. If Geno turns into an NFL starter and the mental part of the game catches up to his his physical ability, the Jets could win 10 or 11 games next year. If he plays like he has the past two years, the Jets would be 6-10 or 5-11. It's a boom or bust situation.

Draft day will tell us one thing, if Mariota is there and they take him, it means they decided Geno is not the answer. If he's there and they pass on him, they think he has the chance. If that is the case, then it should be an open competition in training camp. Let's the coaches do their jobs and make the decision. Based on what I see from Bowles and what I know of Gailey, they are not going to make a decision based on emotion, they are going to make the best football decision. And I think we should all trust their judgment at this point.

agreed...and i doubt as of today they've selected their week 1 starter.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I would be suprised if Fitz isn't atop the depth chart going into camp.

 

[jets82]

Geno is obviously a divisive player. He has been one thing both years, very inconsistent. When he's bad, he's awful. When he's good, he's actually very good. We have seen both from him. I am neither pro nor anti-Geno at this point. Based on what we have seen so far, I would say he's not the future. But, he has in my opinion the physical talent to be a very good starter in the league. It's the mental part of the game he hasn't grasped yet. And let's be honest, grooming QBs was not Rex's strong suit. His first year he was playing with the worst receiving corps in football. His second year, the receiving corp improved for sure and you saw some improvement from Geno. He had some terrible games - that first half against Buffalo might have been one of the worst performances I have ever seen by a QB. But, it happens. And he bounced back. If we don't draft a QB in the first round, which seems likely, then it should be an open competition. This is Geno's chance to prove he has improved. And Gailey will use a system similar to what he played in college, so this should be easier for him.

Fitzpatrick, you know what you get. He's a veteran, smart, and can step in and win games. He is turnover prone. But he had his best year with Gailey, so that's a big plus. He's not the long term answer. But you can win with him. He's a game-manager type of QB. Average to above average arm strength, inconsistent with his accuracy and decision-making at times, but smart and knows how to play the game.

With Geno, you are gambling on potentially finding our QB of the future because of his physical talent. With Fitz, you are trying to go 8-8, 9-7. If Geno turns into an NFL starter and the mental part of the game catches up to his his physical ability, the Jets could win 10 or 11 games next year. If he plays like he has the past two years, the Jets would be 6-10 or 5-11. It's a boom or bust situation.

Draft day will tell us one thing, if Mariota is there and they take him, it means they decided Geno is not the answer. If he's there and they pass on him, they think he has the chance. If that is the case, then it should be an open competition in training camp. Let the coaches do their jobs and make the decision. Based on what I see from Bowles and what I know of Gailey, they are not going to make a decision based on emotion, they are going to make the best football decision. And I think we should all trust their judgment at this point.

Love your assessment and agree 100%. I've been saying it all along, if they draft Winston or Mariota then Geno is done. Winston will obviously beat out Geno. Mariota has a chance but Geno's two years of experience will help him fight for his job at least next year. If they don't draft either then I believe they will actually want to give Geno a fair chance to win the job and hope he does to see what he can do this year. Still doesn't mean they won't draft a QB in the 3rd, 4th round or later.

Then again, the Jets have other needs they can fill so if it's not Winston or Mariota they may pass on a QB period. If Geno flops then they know they have to address it next year. This regime holds no loyalty to Geno but they do have a little time to play with. The fact he's only 24 yrs old with tons of talent and shown he can play well at times, they might be thinking he may be the answer and give him one year to prove it. As far as Fitz is concerned, I still believe he is a insurance policy plan only. Just saying!!!

 

[RMJK]

Geno can be decent and he has shown it. Gailey made really awful QB's into pretty good ones and Geno has more tools than Stewart and Fitz.

I agree.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

did elway and brees regress from mediocre to embarrassingly awful in their second season?

Were elway and brees able to remember the playbook, figure out timezones, find secondary receivers, step up in the pocket and throw the ball away to avoid big losses.....five things our bust from wvu has no clue how to do?

grade A+ post!!

 

[Bigmoe]

Elway
Brees


:emoticon-cartoon-02
Geno
:roflmao:

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

Unless Rosetta Stone came out with a new product that can teach one to read defenses in a matter of months, I doubt it.

 

[jets82]

Unless Rosetta Stone came out with a new product that can teach one to read defenses in a matter of months, I doubt it.

LMAO! I gotta admit, this was funny. I hope its not true but it is funny.

 

[flgreen]

Gailey will probably elevate Smith's play to the level that he might not be the worst QB in the NFL this year, but even Gailey can't make him a Good QB

 

[HYATT™]

GeNOT has experience over Fitz?
In what?
A college Spread Offense?
Marty Mornhinweg's offensive system?
Newz Flash - MM isn't here anymore, GeNOT has ZERO experience over Fitzpatrick - NONE, NADA, ZIP, ZILCH.
He is back starting from square one in an offense he knows nothing about because he's never been prepped up in it.
Y'all can INK in Fitz as the season starter right now.

 

[Football51]

Hyatt, do you think Mannion can be a quality starting qb, or is he just backup material?

 

[McJet]

Did Elway and Brees regress from mediocre to embarrassingly awful in their second season?

Were Elway and Brees able to remember the playbook, figure out timezones, find secondary receivers, step up in the pocket and throw the ball away to avoid big losses.....five things our bust from WVU has no clue how to do?

I don't know. If they didn't have ALL of those problems and their numbers are still similar to Geno then maybe the Jets need to give the kid one more shot. Someone explain to me the downside of letting Geno compete. Worst case he sucks and gets cut/backup.Best case he becomes an above average starter and the Jets have a QB.

 

[mykcuz]

I don't know. If they didn't have ALL of those problems and their numbers are still similar to Geno then maybe the Jets need to give the kid one more shot. Someone explain to me the downside of letting Geno compete. Worst case he sucks and gets cut/backup.Best case he becomes an above average starter and the Jets have a QB.

I'm all for him having a shot, but If your asking me to have an opinion and put money where my mouth is, geno is probably out of football in 2 years.

 

[mykcuz]

I believe mac came into this year not liking what he sees of geno, but giving him another year to see how he develops. Fitz had experience in your exact offense in a bad qb year of fa. In a world where playing time/practice reps have become a legitimate commodity, fitz works. Either he's a backup who doesn't need reps to learn, but to build chemistry, or he steps in to a familiar system with added maturity and a beastly defense. As of today neither guy is a serious long term answer, but short term patches.
In this scenario you can afford to skew practice reps to geno who needs them, while getting fitz in with the first team 30%of the time. After a clear starter is determined he gets all the 1st team reps, and we pray or qb play is improved from last year and that next year someone is available.

 

[flgreen]

Hyatt, do you think Mannion can be a quality starting qb, or is he just backup material?

Question wasn't directed at me but I'll give my opinion any way,

Big guy, played in a pro style O. Moves like a dinosaur, makes very slow progressions, has 30 fumbles and 54 interceptions. For an NCAA QB that is horrible.

Edit: By the way I read he had a very good Pro day today

 

[HYATT™]

Hyatt, do you think Mannion can be a quality starting qb, or is he just backup material?

For months HYATT™ bin Sayin, (nooo relation to the terrorist), Mannion is QB #3 in the draft and personally liked him over Mariota as a more NFL-ready prospect.

HYATT™ bin Givin, (noooo relation to the terrorist either), this matter a lot of thought as to an active NFL QB comparison.
Mariota = less athletically gifted Kaepernick, with a little bit more upside than Red Dalton. Even less NFL-ready than Dalton was, who actually had played under center some as a Horny Frog.

Mannion = nobody in particular and every non-Elite starting QB in the NFL, but most similar to Carson Palmer.
(2003 Carson Palmer USC vs Auburn, with bonus Polamalu appearances.)
There's nothing really distinctive about Mannion but he does have good technique, if his arm is a bit over-rated.
He tends to put his balls high in the arc - like Brees - and has similar pocket awareness and slipperiness. Not a big runner.
Whomever Mannion gets as his 1st NFL QB coach could be the difference between him becoming a long-established franchise QB and JAG who got a shot and never really made it.
He's not a talent to waste and should be brought along slowly for at least 1 year behind a decent OL & veteran NFL QB advisor/backup who starts the season in front of him & not thrown to the wolves on Day 1.
The team that does this, will end up rewarded with a quality QB along the lines of at least a Carson Palmer in a couple of years.

 

[jets82]

I don't know. If they didn't have ALL of those problems and their numbers are still similar to Geno then maybe the Jets need to give the kid one more shot. Someone explain to me the downside of letting Geno compete. Worst case he sucks and gets cut/backup.Best case he becomes an above average starter and the Jets have a QB.

Thank you. This is all that I've been saying all along. Unless the Jets draft Winston (especially) or Mariota, then why shouldn't the Jets hold out a little hope in Geno and give him one last shot to compete? They may draft a QB regardless if its not the top two. So if Geno can't win the starting job or if he can't keep the starting job then so be it. We still have Fitz (a journeymen who couldn't cut it on about 5 or more other teams) to fall back on. Which ALOT of you guys seem to think he's a savior, which I don't know why but whatever. Or maybe the rookie QB (if they draft one period) steps up and wins the job.

Overall, Geno is only 24, has the talent and shown flashes of being pretty to very good. This is his third year where most QBs catch on and he's playing with a MUCH BETTER team, coaching and management staff. Plus the first two years were a nightmare for him and would have been for any QB because of the coaching staff, management and team. Is he the answer probably not and this one last year will prove it but we can't go off his first two years. If that was the case, we would probably feel that way about ALOT of other QBs that are doing very well right now on other teams, if they played for us the past two years.