Is it at all possible that Geno Smith has developed this year to being a real QB this year?

[atmorrisjr]

Geno will start. Fitz is the backup plan. If Geno starts wobbling, Fitz is in quicker than you can say Bowles. Not sure what picks we have in later rounds. Maybe they take a shot with Petty as a project if he is still there in later rounds. See what shakes out between him and Simms.

 

[hobson54]

Bowles clearly said today Geno will start as the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] Qb...then he said this (i.e. its Geno's job to lose):

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"If you are first team, and you want to stay first team, you do your job." - Todd Bowles

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"You can't have even first team reps at quarterback." - Todd Bowles on sharing reps in a QB competition.

the debate should be over until training camp begins. geno is heading into camp the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] QB unless Winston or Mariota fall...which isnt happening.

But I know a few posters believe Chris Simms or a rookie will be the starter when camp begins, just to be contrarians. Its a waste of time, the coach and owner are telling Jets fans till they're blue in the face its Geno for now, and people somehow believe he wont even be on the roster...I guess they know more than the coach and owner who will start.

i'm not sure how much of this (geno currently being the #1 ) has to do with fitz recovering from injury and not being able to practice in OTAs and minicamps. i wonder if fitz were ready to go, if bowles would have been as committal to a #1 QB going into the off-season programs

 

[Superman55]

i'm not sure how much of this (geno currently being the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ) has to do with fitz recovering from injury and not being able to practice in OTAs and minicamps. i wonder if fitz were ready to go, if bowles would have been as committal to a [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] QB going into the off-season programs

...but he is injured. I wonder if revis never tore out his knee if he ever would have been an ex-Jet...but he did shred his knee and he did become an ex-Jet. Not sure the what if game helps much. Fitz is hurt. Geno will go in as the #1 QB until he plays himself out of the job or someone better arrives. Seems cut and dry.

 

[hobson54]

...but he is injured. I wonder if revis never tore out his knee if he ever would have been an ex-Jet...but he did shred his knee and he did become an ex-Jet. Not sure the what if game helps much. Fitz is hurt. Geno will go in as the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] QB until he plays himself out of the job or someone better arrives. Seems cut and dry.

well yes he is injured. i'm not looking to play any what/if game, just pondering whether bowles saying geno is #1 going into camp is because geno is healthy and fitz isn't, or because bowles thinks geno should get the initial nod over fitz even if fitz were healthy. we will never know the truth. but i wouldn't necessarily interpret bowles' comments here as a validation that geno is on top of the depth chart because the coaches think he gives them the best shot to win.

 

[Jet Setter]

Bowles clearly said today Geno will start as the #1 Qb...then he said this (i.e. its Geno's job to lose):

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"If you are first team, and you want to stay first team, you do your job." - Todd Bowles

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"You can't have even first team reps at quarterback." - Todd Bowles on sharing reps in a QB competition.

the debate should be over until training camp begins. geno is heading into camp the #1 QB unless Winston or Mariota fall...which isnt happening.

But I know a few posters believe Chris Simms or a rookie will be the starter when camp begins, just to be contrarians. Its a waste of time, the coach and owner are telling Jets fans till they're blue in the face its Geno for now, and people somehow believe he wont even be on the roster...I guess they know more than the coach and owner who will start.

So many are still in denial.

 

[jets82]

Bowles clearly said today Geno will start as the #1 Qb...then he said this (i.e. its Geno's job to lose):

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"If you are first team, and you want to stay first team, you do your job." - Todd Bowles

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"You can't have even first team reps at quarterback." - Todd Bowles on sharing reps in a QB competition.

the debate should be over until training camp begins. geno is heading into camp the #1 QB unless Winston or Mariota fall...which isnt happening.

But I know a few posters believe Chris Simms or a rookie will be the starter when camp begins, just to be contrarians. Its a waste of time, the coach and owner are telling Jets fans till they're blue in the face its Geno for now, and people somehow believe he wont even be on the roster...I guess they know more than the coach and owner who will start.

To me its simple logic or common sense:

-Jets know they have no chance at Winston unless they trade up. They probably feel he is sure fire talent wise but may be a little worried about his maturity and won't give up the farm to move up.

-Mariota they probably don't feel he is sure fire talent wise and may not be willing to draft him that high. Knowing he may not be our day one starter. He may need two years in fact to be truly ready to take over.

-Any other rookie QB they draft they are probably thinking the same or worse. However they will most likely draft a QB in the later rounds.

-Fitz is a just in case player and they probably don't want him to be the starter. Plus there is/were no other FA QBs out there worth mentioning.

-The Foles trade fell through and a trade for Breez or Rivers will probably cost them to much.

-This is probably things they have been thinking since day one or since the Foles trade fell through. So they most likely want to see what Geno can do in hopes he gets it together so we no longer have to worry about the QB spot.

-If Geno flops then they go from there with Fitz until season ends

 

[sg3]

Bowles clearly said today Geno will start as the #1 Qb...then he said this (i.e. its Geno's job to lose):

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"If you are first team, and you want to stay first team, you do your job." - Todd Bowles

Dan Leberfeld @jetswhispers
"You can't have even first team reps at quarterback." - Todd Bowles on sharing reps in a QB competition.

the debate should be over until training camp begins. geno is heading into camp the #1 QB unless Winston or Mariota fall...which isnt happening.

But I know a few posters believe Chris Simms or a rookie will be the starter when camp begins, just to be contrarians. Its a waste of time, the coach and owner are telling Jets fans till they're blue in the face its Geno for now, and people somehow believe he wont even be on the roster...I guess they know more than the coach and owner who will start.

Chris Simms is out of football, in broadcasting

 

[sg3]

Geno is the #1 for OTAS and minicamp.

Fitzpatrick is healing. Five minutes after he is healed, he will be the #1 and remain in that position for all of 2015, maybe longer. Bowles also said they are not finished with upgrading the position which IMO means drafting a Petty, Grayson, Hundley or Mannion after the first round to learn and develop behind Fitzpatrick in 2015.

Smith will get a chance to prove to the new coaches and GM what is obvious after 2 long miserable years that got HC, GM and OC fired ...he ain't got it.

I doubt he will still be a Jet by September and probably out of football after this season

 

[jets82]

Geno is the #1 for OTAS and minicamp.

Fitzpatrick is healing. Five minutes after he is healed, he will be the #1 and remain in that position for all of 2015, maybe longer. Bowles also said they are not finished with upgrading the position which IMO means drafting a Petty, Grayson, Hundley or Mannion after the first round to learn and develop behind Fitzpatrick in 2015.

Smith will get a chance to prove to the new coaches and GM what is obvious after 2 long miserable years that got HC, GM and OC fired ...he ain't got it.

I doubt he will still be a Jet by September and probably out of football after this season

Once again we'll respectfully agree to disagree. I find it funny and pretty much a joke that you feel Fitz will beat out Geno and he couldn't even stay with multiple teams for ten straight years. That is hilarious to me. I also see it being very funny you feel Geno will be out of football after he supposingly gets cut after camp. They will or may draft a QB in the later rounds and they may feel or hope that drafting QB works if Geno doesn't. I will agree on that. What's even more funny is you actually think Fitz will be the answer for not only this year but multiple years.

My dream here may be a pipe dream but it reasonable atleast. To me it is anyway. Geno's only played for two years for the same horrible team for a horrible HC and GM. He has a team now and coaches and management that can help him but you give him no chance. Where Fitz has shown everyone for ten years he is no more then a back up and no where near the answer but your looking at him as a answer. SMH respectfully ofcourse.

 

[Superman55]

well yes he is injured. i'm not looking to play any what/if game, just pondering whether bowles saying geno is #1 going into camp is because geno is healthy and fitz isn't, or because bowles thinks geno should get the initial nod over fitz even if fitz were healthy. we will never know the truth. but i wouldn't necessarily interpret bowles' comments here as a validation that geno is on top of the depth chart because the coaches think he gives them the best shot to win.

Who said the coach thinks he gives them the best shot to win?

 

[sg3]

Once again we'll respectfully agree to disagree. I find it funny and pretty much a joke that you feel Fitz will beat out Geno and he couldn't even stay with multiple teams for ten straight years. That is hilarious to me. I also see it being very funny you feel Geno will be out of football after he supposingly gets cut after camp. They will or may draft a QB in the later rounds and they may feel or hope that drafting QB works if Geno doesn't. I will agree on that. What's even more funny is you actually think Fitz will be the answer for not only this year but multiple years.

My dream here may be a pipe dream but it reasonable atleast. To me it is anyway. Geno's only played for two years for the same horrible team for a horrible HC and GM. He has a team now and coaches and management that can help him but you give him no chance. Where Fitz has shown everyone for ten years he is no more then a back up and no where near the answer but your looking at him as a answer. SMH respectfully ofcourse.

If you are going to respectfully disagree, how about trying to do so for a change.

I didn't even mention you in my post about what Bowles said about QBs. But in your response you found it necessary to announce you found my post "pretty much a joke" "hilarious" and "very funny and even more funny"

Frankly, I don't give a crap what you find hilarious and my guess is nobody else does either.

I agree that we should just agree to disagree. Just remember to come back when Fitzpatrick or some rookie is starting for our Jets and has them in contention and Geno is riding the inactive list or waived and admit that it wasn't the horrible coaching or the horrible weapons or sunspots or global warming that made Geno stink, it was Geno that made Geno stink.

And since we are being respectful, I will be here to admit that I was an idiot and 100% wrong about Smith if he is the starting QB of the Jets in December and winning because he outplayed the other candidates on the field

 

[Lakerfan80]

I think Fitz will turn out to be the more reliable QB, even if Geno shows his flashes at time. I certaintly don't think any rookie will be starting at any point this season.

 

[jets82]

If you are going to respectfully disagree, how about trying to do so for a change.

I didn't even mention you in my post about what Bowles said about QBs. But in your response you found it necessary to announce you found my post "pretty much a joke" "hilarious" and "very funny and even more funny"

Frankly, I don't give a crap what you find hilarious and my guess is nobody else does either.

I agree that we should just agree to disagree. Just remember to come back when Fitzpatrick or some rookie is starting for our Jets and has them in contention and Geno is riding the inactive list or waived and admit that it wasn't the horrible coaching or the horrible weapons or sunspots or global warming that made Geno stink, it was Geno that made Geno stink.

And since we are being respectful, I will be here to admit that I was an idiot and 100% wrong about Smith if he is the starting QB of the Jets in December and winning because he outplayed the other candidates on the field

For once we do agree on something because I could give a #$%& less what you or anyone else thinks about my opinion. As I can respect you care nothing how I feel about yours. We will respectfully agree to disagree and trust me, I will have no problem admitting defeat if anyone else (other then the obvious chooses like Winston, Breez or Rivers) is leading this team at QB. Whether winning or losing at the end of the season, if Geno flops on his face and losses the job. I will admit even more defeat if Geno gets cut from the team and no one picks him up as you so think. But as you say, you will admit defeat if Geno is still playing at the year end and helping this team to success. Deal!

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

His stats were better because they had to pull him as he was playing horrible. Had he not been benched, he probably would have surpassed the amount of turnovers he had his rookie year.

 

[soj]

I listen to the HC and GM talk about QB and what "I heard" is that they believe Geno is #1 going into camp, period. In addition, Mac stated that they are not finished with the QB spot yet so that tells me that Geno maybe the incumbent #1 going into camp but that is as far as it goes.

IMHO I believe they will foster and open competition and whoever wins will be the #1 ... If its Geno then its Geno... personally, you all know that I have lost faith in him and his ability to "get it" but that doesn't mean I will not root for him if he wins the competition.

 

[Elias]

His stats were better because they had to pull him as he was playing horrible. Had he not been benched, he probably would have surpassed the amount of turnovers he had his rookie year.

Believe it or not, Geno Smith showed improvement in QB Rating (77.5 vs 66.4), accuracy % ( 72.3% to 67.4%), interception % (4.7 to 3.5) and completion % (59.7 to 55.8).

 

[jets82]

His stats were better because they had to pull him as he was playing horrible. Had he not been benched, he probably would have surpassed the amount of turnovers he had his rookie year.

Have you ever heard the saying, "If if was a fifth we all be drunk"? In other words, we can if and presume all we want but the facts are the facts and his stats were better period. If that's the case, I can throw some ifs out there also. Like if Geno's teams, coaching and GM weren't so horrible over the past two years his stats would be better. I don't because he stats are what they are which is horrible pretty much. What I do say is with a much better team and much better coaching and management, he may just improve but I'm not God and neither is anyone else. So none of us know how he will do this year just like none of us know how he would have done if he played the entire season last year.

 

[Superman55]

I listen to the HC and GM talk about QB and what "I heard" is that they believe Geno is [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] going into camp, period. In addition, Mac stated that they are not finished with the QB spot yet so that tells me that Geno maybe the incumbent [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] going into camp but that is as far as it goes.

IMHO I believe they will foster and open competition and whoever wins will be the [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ... If its Geno then its Geno... personally, you all know that I have lost faith in him and his ability to "get it" but that doesn't mean I will not root for him if he wins the competition.

This is what it is. 100% agree. No one said he gives us the best chance to win...I dont even think they've thought that far ahead. I think as you clearly state, as of today, he's the #1 unless he losses the job by being outplayed, someone better is brought in, or he doesnt lose the job by playing well enough in the preseason, training camp, and shows well enough in the classroom to win the job outright.

I think as of right now, that is how the jets feel about the qb position. I dont think they're even thinking about week 1 starter yet, IMO.

 

[Superman55]

Believe it or not, Geno Smith showed improvement in QB Rating (77.5 vs 66.4), accuracy % ( 72.3% to 67.4%), interception % (4.7 to 3.5) and completion % (59.7 to 55.8).

I didnt want to argue that point, he improved in every area of QB play last year, including footwork. The problem isnt "is he improving," its how inconsistent he is.

For the Mariota fans, what you saw in teh first two years of Geno, is what you'll see in the first 2 years of Mariota...hell, even Woody Johnson pointed that out and he knows nothing about the position.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

"Improved"? Oh my goodness now it really has become tuesday nights at Carolines.

Have some people forgotten how putrid this guy was last year? Improved?!!

All i ask is, In what game did he "improve" consistently?