Is it at all possible that Geno Smith has developed this year to being a real QB this year?

[jets82]

FTR - I think with your comparison to Russell, you just exposed your underlying issues with Smith. Why not compare him to Leaf or Nagle, or are they too white to fit your narrative?

Sweet, thats been my thinking all along but I didn't want to mention it. By his response post, if that is the truth then this is not the case but it sure seems that way. Doesn't matter anyway, Geno will either step up this year or he won't. If he does then those who still don't want him will have to deal with him being our QB. If he flops, then those who don't want him for whatever reason will finally get what they want.

 

[Elias]

Sweet, thats been my thinking all along but I didn't want to mention it. By his response post, if that is the truth then this is not the case but it sure seems that way. Doesn't matter anyway, Geno will either step up this year or he won't. If he does then those who still don't want him will have to deal with him being our QB. If he flops, then those who don't want him for whatever reason will finally get what they want.

I can't wait myself. If we can finally get some decent QB play for this team we may make some noise. There's no reason for people to be so pessimistic. A coaching change may be good for Geno, he said it himself. He probably lost faith in the team with the way Marty used him.

That game on Monday night against Miami I believe where we ran the ball a gazillions times was embarrassing to him. It was on national television and the coaching staff pretty much was trying to show the world that he sucks and they had no trust in him. That's BS.

Against the very same team he had a perfect QB rating.

 

[jets82]

I can't wait myself. If we can finally get some decent QB play for this team we may make some noise. There's no reason for people to be so pessimistic. A coaching change may be good for Geno, he said it himself. He probably lost faith in the team with the way Marty used him.

That game on Monday night against Miami I believe where we ran the ball a gazillions times was embarrassing to him. It was on national television and the coaching staff pretty much was trying to show the world that he sucks and they had no trust in him. That's BS.

Against the very same team he had a perfect QB rating.

+1, agreed and I couldn't have said it better myself. Funny thing I was hot as hell the first Miami game they did him that way. However; I was even more pissed the second game when he played lights out. Not only was I wondering where the hell was that kind of play from him, Decker and everyone else the whole year but I was ready to dump Geno at that point myself. So eventhough he had a stella game and I couldn't take that from him it didn't matter at that point. Even worse, that win killed our draft position even more. But that all has changed now. Let's go Geno, let's go! J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets

 

[Elias]

Even Namath thinks we shouldn't write off Smith just yet.

Yesterday 5:28 pm Don't write the obituary for Geno Smith's career as starting quarterback of the New York Jets quite yet– at least Joe Namath doesn't think so.
The most decorated and successful quarterback in team history, Namath looks upon Smith and isn't prepared to say that the third-year quarterback is automatically relegated to carrying a clipboard this season. Smith has had plenty of ups and downs during two years in the league as he was benched several times his rookie year and lost hist starting job at one point last season. He's never thrown more touchdowns than interceptions in a season, his completion percentage is pedestrian and his mechanics as well as his ability to read defenses are still very much a work in progress.
Other than that, he's Canton-bound.
But the former second round pick isn't being written off as a starter according to Namath, this despite the acquisition of Ryan Fitzpatrick this offseason. There is also a new head coach in town in Todd Bowles, who has no ties to Smith. All this on paper spells the end of the Geno era in New York. But Namath isn't quite in that camp.
“I don't think it's the end of Geno being the starter. Fitzpatrick has some credentials that are impressive. I don't know whether he lost his job in Buffalo, why he lost his job in Houston. I know he got hurt. He may have lost it ahead of time. I always question when a team lets a guy go if he can play that well. It remains to be seen how good Fitzpatrick is going to be in green and white,” Namath told Metro last week in an exclusive interview.
“I expect Geno to play better then we've seen him play. He's shown some good athletic ability, made some good plays. He's suffered through some growing players. Dang. Even myself can related to the second season not being as good as the first. Maybe it's making more mistakes.
“I think the job is wide open. Whichever guy does perform the best is going to get the job. It shouldn't be contract related. I think Todd Bowles is coming to win. He's going to play the best people that he has.”
This offseason looks like a real, actual quarterback competition for the Jets, with Fitzpatrick and Smith likely heading into training camp in somewhat of a dead heat. The past two seasons, it appeared from the outside looking in that the Jets had ordained Smith, the draft pick of former general manager John Idzik, as their de facto starter despite his obvious limitations.
But there is a new general manager in Mike Maccagnan as well as a new head coach in Bowles which means that Smith doesn't have a clear-cut pathway to be the starter this year.
In fact, Fitzpatrick is the one with the ties as he was with the Houston Texans last year where Maccagnan was the director of college scouting. And there is always the possibility that the Jets could draft their quarterback of the future this spring, eventually clearing the way for Smith and Fitzpatrick to move on from the organization.
“But when you're talking quarterbacks specifically, you have a lot of offseason stuff going on and until you've got on the other side of the line scrimmage trying to knock you down, you don't get a feel for the quarterbacks physiology and what's going on. Anyone can play 7-on-7. We quarterbacks love 7-on-7 because no one is getting hit,” Namath said.
“You like to think that we play as we practice. But you're not getting blindsided and rolled down and getting hit in practice. An outstanding practice quarterback isn't necessarily a starting quarterback.
“You have to justify whoever is under center to the rest of the team.”

Namath noted that Fitzpatrick might have an edge grasping the offense faster given his well-known cerebral acumen. A former quarterback at Harvard, Fitzpatrick has one of the highest Wonderlic scores in NFL Combine history.

http://touch.metro.us/sports/jets-legend-joe-namath-don-t-write-off-geno-smith-yet/zsJocy---GEOgIF3345DA6/

 

[jets82]

There you have it, a HOFer in Namath being rational and looking at this for what it is worth. Not being biased or unreasonable or to judgmental. If a HOFer can figure this out the why can't we?

 

[sg3]

There you have it, a HOFer in Namath being rational and looking at this for what it is worth. Not being biased or unreasonable or to judgmental. If a HOFer can figure this out the why can't we?

OJ Simpson and Lawrence Taylor are HOFers and both are convicted felons

[emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]

Joe's only errors in judgment are his weakness for the malt and his public desire to kiss Suzy Kolber on National TV

 

[Old#15]

There you have it, a HOFer in Namath being rational and looking at this for what it is worth. Not being biased or unreasonable or to judgmental. If a HOFer can figure this out the why can't we?

Some can.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I can't wait myself. If we can finally get some decent QB play for this team we may make some noise. There's no reason for people to be so pessimistic. A coaching change may be good for Geno, he said it himself. He probably lost faith in the team with the way Marty used him.

That game on Monday night against Miami I believe where we ran the ball a gazillions times was embarrassing to him. It was on national television and the coaching staff pretty much was trying to show the world that he sucks and they had no trust in him. That's BS.

Against the very same team he had a perfect QB rating.

It was embarrassing to me, too, as fan. The Jets ran for, what, 280+ yards? And still lost? Has that ever been done before?

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Let's be Jets fans first. If Geno wins the QB competition in August, then root for him. If Fitz outplays Geno, then pull for Fitz.

Geno has one more chance, whether we like it or not. He's not getting cut.

 

[jets82]

Let's be Jets fans first. If Geno wins the QB competition in August, then root for him. If Fitz outplays Geno, then pull for Fitz.

Geno has one more chance, whether we like it or not. He's not getting cut.

Agreed 100,000,000,000%. If Fitz beats Geno out then no problem. I'm a Jets fans first, always have and always will be. I'm not a Geno or any player fan first. So whomever wins I got their back, I just don't see Fitz beating out Geno at all. We'll see and with this team their building, they can be a playoff team with at least good QB play. If Geno or Fitz or whomever can't give us that, then they shouldn't be playing for the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

"Its called 'playing the percentages;' it's what smart managers do to win ball games."

- Mr. Burns

I know I'm a bit late to this discussion, but the core argument of "can Geno improve" is off base to me. Sure, he can. Lots of things are possible. It is possible to jump out of an airplane without a parachute and survive, but what are the odds? What are the odds that Geno becomes an asset next season? 1/10? 5/10? 1/100? At what point is the potential too unlikely to materialize? In other words, how low would the percentage have to be before it isn't "worth it" anymore?

PS - the notion that some successful quarterbacks had bad seasons in the beginning of their career, so Geno can still be good, is misleading unless you also talk about all the quarterbacks who had a bad first two seasons and then didn't go on to be good quarterbacks. I bet there are way more of the latter than there are of the former. So, again, it's about the probabilities; what is most likely to happen?

PPS - after seeing the same exact argument play out over several years with Mark Sanchez, where people started accusing others of having personal agenda against Mark or being racially biased against him, and I am not eager to see it happen again. Nick, a great poster and all around good devoted Jets fan, had a lot of insults thrown his way on this basis, and now everyone agrees that HE was right. So I think it's unfair to make these charges, especially given how unquestionably bad Geno played last year. Throw all the state you want around, he played himself out of a job and the team won 4 games. Does someone really need to have a racial bias to think that that level or performance isn't good enough?

 

[Football51]

Chris Trapasso @ChrisTrapasso · 4h4 hours ago

With (young) QBs today, NFL teams are *frantic* to find / try / dump at first few signs of struggle. 95% of them must be developed. Slowly.

 

[Bigmoe]

Q

There's no reason for people to be so pessimistic. .

Hey Elias,
Watching this team thru the entire decade of the 70's
Sitting on portable metal bleachers, no less
Will do that to a fan,
So you know where SOJF comes from.......
And where most of us " ole timers " are comin from
:hopelessness:

 

[Elias]

Q

Hey Elias,
Watching this team thru the entire decade of the 70's
Sitting on portable metal bleachers, no less
Will do that to a fan,
So you know where SOJF comes from.......
And where most of us " ole timers " are comin from
:hopelessness:

Mo trust me. I know what it feels like watching this team suck! I Dk what I'll do when we finally win one.

 

[jets82]

"Its called 'playing the percentages;' it's what smart managers do to win ball games."

- Mr. Burns

I know I'm a bit late to this discussion, but the core argument of "can Geno improve" is off base to me. Sure, he can. Lots of things are possible. It is possible to jump out of an airplane without a parachute and survive, but what are the odds? What are the odds that Geno becomes an asset next season? 1/10? 5/10? 1/100? At what point is the potential too unlikely to materialize? In other words, how low would the percentage have to be before it isn't "worth it" anymore?

PS - the notion that some successful quarterbacks had bad seasons in the beginning of their career, so Geno can still be good, is misleading unless you also talk about all the quarterbacks who had a bad first two seasons and then didn't go on to be good quarterbacks. I bet there are way more of the latter than there are of the former. So, again, it's about the probabilities; what is most likely to happen?

PPS - after seeing the same exact argument play out over several years with Mark Sanchez, where people started accusing others of having personal agenda against Mark or being racially biased against him, and I am not eager to see it happen again. Nick, a great poster and all around good devoted Jets fan, had a lot of insults thrown his way on this basis, and now everyone agrees that HE was right. So I think it's unfair to make these charges, especially given how unquestionably bad Geno played last year. Throw all the state you want around, he played himself out of a job and the team won 4 games. Does someone really need to have a racial bias to think that that level or performance isn't good enough?

Excellent argument and can't debate. However; the point to this thread is not only can he improve. Maybe and maybe not and like you say, its more probably he may not then he does. The thread is also about the possibilities we may have no choice but to deal with Geno this year at least. Is also a factor in this thread. Unless you feel Fitz will beat him out or any other rookie not named Winston or Mariota, then it appears Geno will be our guy. If that is the case then we must remember what Geno was working with over the past two years.

This year he is playing with a much better team. Playoff quality actually and their not done building this team yet. He is also playing for smarter and better coaches and management. That will also be apart of his improvement or should be. If it is then that should show everyone that what he was dealing with was apart of his demise years one and two. Geno hasn't given anyone any or much reason to root for him and it clearly doesn't have to be racial. What makes it questionable, is when people seem they would rather have a janitor playing QB when Geno may be our best option and they won't even give him a chance to see if he's improved or not.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

I think what you say is fair but for those people who think the probability of him improving is closer to zero, it is harder to justify handing him the ball. Personally, I think that while unremarkable on paper, Fitzpatrick has shown enough to coaches through the years to stay in the NFL as long as he has, and that's not nothing. He's a stop gap but hopefully a guy who can minimize mistakes. I think he's more of a known quantity that Geno, and there is some value in that. Improving the rest of the offense will help anyone playing QB, Geno included. So to me it is again about probabilities, who is most likely to perform the best most consistently? Who has the highest upside, and how likely is it for them to reach it? These are the questions I hope our staff can assess and resolve in an intelligent manner. Personally, based on what I've seen, I don't think Geno is going to be a top QB in this league, and I personally doubt that he will be in the league as long as Fitzpatrick, because I dont think he makes great decisions and thats a killer. obviously Fitzpatrick isnt anything special, either. But hes at least shown the ability to play reasonably well on a consistent basis. That matters. But nothing is written in stone. Geno is here, and that being the case, he will be evaluated just like any other player and if the coaches think he can help, or that he is more likely to help than anyone else we have or can acquire, then he should play. Hopefully, he takes a step forward. If he does, we will be way better off.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Geno is getting a chance to show that he is improved, nothing no one says here will prevent that from happening. I just think the more experience, more mature, nothing to prove veteran Fitz will be the guy.

 

[jets82]

I think what you say is fair but for those people who think the probability of him improving is closer to zero, it is harder to justify handing him the ball. Personally, I think that while unremarkable on paper, Fitzpatrick has shown enough to coaches through the years to stay in the NFL as long as he has, and that's not nothing. He's a stop gap but hopefully a guy who can minimize mistakes. I think he's more of a known quantity that Geno, and there is some value in that. Improving the rest of the offense will help anyone playing QB, Geno included. So to me it is again about probabilities, who is most likely to perform the best most consistently? Who has the highest upside, and how likely is it for them to reach it? These are the questions I hope our staff can assess and resolve in an intelligent manner. Personally, based on what I've seen, I don't think Geno is going to be a top QB in this league, and I personally doubt that he will be in the league as long as Fitzpatrick, because I dont think he makes great decisions and thats a killer. obviously Fitzpatrick isnt anything special, either. But hes at least shown the ability to play reasonably well on a consistent basis. That matters. But nothing is written in stone. Geno is here, and that being the case, he will be evaluated just like any other player and if the coaches think he can help, or that he is more likely to help than anyone else we have or can acquire, then he should play. Hopefully, he takes a step forward. If he does, we will be way better off.

The beautiful thing about all of this is the new regime has no loyalty to anyone right now. The QB battle will be open and very fair and may the best man win. Geno will get his shot because unless they trade for Breez or Rivers or draft Winston or Mariota, they will want to see if Geno can be the answer. If he is not they will pull his ass asap. This team is ready now and all they need is consistent positive QB play.

I believe with better weapons, a better team overall and MUCH better and smarter coaching and management, Geno will show us something positive. Time will tell and this will be a very exciting season for all Jets fans. As for Fitz, he has shown who he is over these ten years and that is to be a career back-up at best and no one can argue that. Yes he has had his good years and been consistent at times or years. He has also been a turnover and injury prone machine and has shown that at times or years. Geno to me and me only obviously hasn't shown who he is yet.

If he was on a half-way competitive team over the past two years I would say you got me. If he played for a half-way competent coach and GM I would then say you got me also. This year is his chance to show who he really is. If he flops then we know he was just as guilty as everyone else and its time to move on. If he excels then it shows that the two years would have most likely been better for him and the team if he had better circumstances around him.

 

[hobson54]

"Its called 'playing the percentages;' it's what smart managers do to win ball games."

- Mr. Burns

I know I'm a bit late to this discussion, but the core argument of "can Geno improve" is off base to me. Sure, he can. Lots of things are possible. It is possible to jump out of an airplane without a parachute and survive, but what are the odds? What are the odds that Geno becomes an asset next season? 1/10? 5/10? 1/100? At what point is the potential too unlikely to materialize? In other words, how low would the percentage have to be before it isn't "worth it" anymore?

PS - the notion that some successful quarterbacks had bad seasons in the beginning of their career, so Geno can still be good, is misleading unless you also talk about all the quarterbacks who had a bad first two seasons and then didn't go on to be good quarterbacks. I bet there are way more of the latter than there are of the former. So, again, it's about the probabilities; what is most likely to happen?

PPS - after seeing the same exact argument play out over several years with Mark Sanchez, where people started accusing others of having personal agenda against Mark or being racially biased against him, and I am not eager to see it happen again. Nick, a great poster and all around good devoted Jets fan, had a lot of insults thrown his way on this basis, and now everyone agrees that HE was right. So I think it's unfair to make these charges, especially given how unquestionably bad Geno played last year. Throw all the state you want around, he played himself out of a job and the team won 4 games. Does someone really need to have a racial bias to think that that level or performance isn't good enough?

nice to see you make it over here.

good post...my only question is, are you really gonna pinch hit homer simpson for darryl strawberry???

 

[Superman55]

nice to see you make it over here.

good post...my only question is, are you really gonna pinch hit homer simpson for darryl strawberry???

Did someone say Darryl Strawberry? Meet his daughter, Diamond.