I couldn't agree more. We spent 50+ million in guaranteed money to 3 different FA corners. We have Milliner, McDougle and Walls coming back. We have Antonio Allen who has proven he can play corner if need be in a dime or nickel package. Time to address other positions. DL and DB have had enough resources thrown at it. It would be the pinnacle of insanity if we invest more premium resources there.
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I couldn't agree more. We spent 50+ million in guaranteed money to 3 different FA corners. We have Milliner, McDougle and Walls coming back. We have Antonio Allen who has proven he can play corner if need be in a dime or nickel package. Time to address other positions. DL and DB have had enough resources thrown at it. It would be the pinnacle of insanity if we invest more premium resources there.
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i agree with the admin who posted this he is a pretty smart guy.
If you're considering a late-round draft pick to be a "premium resource", then I'll have to disagree.
To me, the "pinnacle of insanity" is to pass up a higher-rated talent for a lower-rated "need". The draft may be a crap-shoot, but it's still a good idea to stack the odds in your favor as much as possible . . .
No, I don't consider a 7th a premium. I was speaking of 1-4th rounders. But like it was said above, why even spend a 7th on a corner when they won't make the team. Who are they beating out?
And I will never understand how many of you want to continue stocking already overstocked positions because the pick represents a great value-pick. You realize you can't play 11 corners on defense, right? I can only surmise this is the product of the fantasy football generation of sports fans. It's more important to take players that have the highest pre-draft ratings than it is to take the players that will give you the best shot at winning on Sundays.
I know at this point I'm not changing any minds so I will quit driving this point home. I know plenty of you are understandably sick of hearing it.
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I don't believe Williams was ever apart of the equation being that our front line is as dominant as any in the league. Now Winston I'm dreading the Jets not being able to draft because if we were then all that Geno discussion on the thread I started would have never even happened period. With that said, I'm real nervous about the Mariota draft pick. If they draft him, will he beat out Geno or Fitz year one and be ready to go? If not, thats ok but will he be ready year two to go and that will be an issue if he's not ready by then. This is my main concern with Mariota, when will he be ready or will he ever be ready period. Sorta risky for a 1st round pick IMO.
All the LBs you mentioned I right on track with you and will be happy with any of them. In fact, I'm hoping they go LB because of the Marshall trade and we can draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. Being that I'm not a college guru, I don't know which LB would be the best one. So as long as the Jets pick one, I'll be happy and hope of course it all works out. If they do go WR, I won't be upset. How could anyone be upset with them drafting Cooper or White? My overall thinking is they should go LB (first), if not then WR and no other position in the first round. They need to go o-line also but that can be done in the 2nd or 3rd round. QB and RB can be addressed in the later rounds also.
All the LBs you mentioned I right on track with you and will be happy with any of them. In fact, I'm hoping they go LB because of the Marshall trade and we can draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round. Being that I'm not a college guru, I don't know which LB would be the best one. So as long as the Jets pick one, I'll be happy and hope of course it all works out. If they do go WR, I won't be upset. How could anyone be upset with them drafting Cooper or White? My overall thinking is they should go LB (first), if not then WR and no other position in the first round. They need to go o-line also but that can be done in the 2nd or 3rd round. QB and RB can be addressed in the later rounds also.
No, I don't consider a 7th a premium. I was speaking of 1-4th rounders. But like it was said above, why even spend a 7th on a corner when they won't make the team. Who are they beating out?
And I will never understand how many of you want to continue stocking already overstocked positions because the pick represents a great value-pick. You realize you can't play 11 corners on defense, right? I can only surmise this is the product of the fantasy football generation of sports fans. It's more important to take players that have the highest pre-draft ratings than it is to take the players that will give you the best shot at winning on Sundays.
I know at this point I'm not changing any minds so I will quit driving this point home. I know plenty of you are understandably sick of hearing it.
I assure you I've never played Madden, and have no desire to any time soon. Having said that, it's interesting that you think "the players with the highest pre-draft ratings" doesn't equate with "the players who give you the best chance to win on Sundays".
Perhaps the disconnect is you think some of us are advocating taking a CB -- I know that's not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is I haven't already determined that I'll be upset if we choose one. The fact that "we can't play 11 CBs on defense" doesn't change the fact that our FO might have their eye on a late-round gem that could be better than half the players we currently have. And if that's the case, then yes -- I hope they stick to their convictions and choose the guy. In fact, I can't think of another scenario where they WOULD "waste" a pick on a CB unless they really thought they saw something in him.
I know it keeps getting mentioned, but I'll always refer to the Giants "overloading" on the front 7, only to lead to two SB victories. While I don't think CB is as vital a position, I still say talent trumps need (when the difference is significant enough to notice) . . .
Good post, Jets82.
I'm with you on Mariota. After having some time to digest everything I think Petty is the better fit. I think he's more NFL ready and he is just as good of a character-guy as Mariota is, and probably a better leader. Take him in round 2.
I also agree that LB is the way to go in round 1. Much like the top WR's in last year's draft, you can't go wrong with any of them at the top. They will all be good pros, in my opinion. The one exception is Gregory, who I think is boom or bust. Really solid bust potential based on the lanky build, lack of weight at the combine, and the weed issue. My top pick is Beasley. How do you go wrong with a guy who is both the best athlete at the position AND the most productive playing in college. Lowest bust potential, in my opinion.
I'm with you on Mariota. After having some time to digest everything I think Petty is the better fit. I think he's more NFL ready and he is just as good of a character-guy as Mariota is, and probably a better leader. Take him in round 2.
I also agree that LB is the way to go in round 1. Much like the top WR's in last year's draft, you can't go wrong with any of them at the top. They will all be good pros, in my opinion. The one exception is Gregory, who I think is boom or bust. Really solid bust potential based on the lanky build, lack of weight at the combine, and the weed issue. My top pick is Beasley. How do you go wrong with a guy who is both the best athlete at the position AND the most productive playing in college. Lowest bust potential, in my opinion.
You think Beasely has less bust potential than Fowler?
I am not a big fan of Fowler. He is down my list behind Beasley, Dupree, and Ray.
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sg3
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Interesting point, point.
I have him rated as the top edge rusher of them all and #3 behind the two QBs?
Either we are watching different tape or, more likely, you actually know something about college football while I don't know sh*t[emoji4] [emoji3]
You think if Cooper and/or White are on the board there are no teams in the NFL, of the 31 other teams, that may want to trade up to acquire one of these 2? You think Mariota is the only sexy pick that goes after #1 ? Really?
well right now, kiper's big board (updated today) has 4 WRs in his top 10. now i'm not saying kiper is always right, but it seems to be evidence of a lot of high caliber WRs in the draft. so while teams may like cooper and/or white, they may not be willing to pay what it will cost to move up to 6 when they can still grab a high quality WR a few picks later.
personally, my preference is to trade down almost regardless of who is available when we pick (unless macc and gailey are convinced mariota is a future franchise QB, in which case i take him if he's there). but as the saying goes, it takes two to tango.
I dont know the OLB, edge rusher guys all that well - have not seen them play much
But, I think the key line of distinction is that we need to get a guy who is an OLB and an edge rusher. Not a DE who we will hope can become an OLB. Needs to be capable of dropping back into coverage. Needs to have had experience smoothly making the decisions that an OLB has to make. I dont want a guy who we project as able to do that - not with #6
If we can get that, I would rather have that than a WR, because there are guys we can get at 37 who will be fine WR - and other strong players at that pick if we dont go WR. Need the best player at #6 and need to consider position scarcity in that evaluation.
But, I think the key line of distinction is that we need to get a guy who is an OLB and an edge rusher. Not a DE who we will hope can become an OLB. Needs to be capable of dropping back into coverage. Needs to have had experience smoothly making the decisions that an OLB has to make. I dont want a guy who we project as able to do that - not with #6
If we can get that, I would rather have that than a WR, because there are guys we can get at 37 who will be fine WR - and other strong players at that pick if we dont go WR. Need the best player at #6 and need to consider position scarcity in that evaluation.
Really I don't see anyone trading up to 6 if Cooper or White are on the board... Not with how deep this WR class is especially in the first 2 rds.... There are 6-8 WR's that can go in the 1st RD and 5 of them are locks for the 1st rd
Cooper - 1st Rd lock
White - 1st Rd lock
Parker - 1st Rd lock
Perriman - 1st Rd Lock
Strong - 1st rd Lock
DGB - 1st Rd - Likely
Coates - Is rd wild card
Dorsett - 1st Rd wild card
Well Beasley it is then, LOL. With his size, speed, talent, strength and hopefully leadership and love and drive for the game, he will be one to help us get to where we want to be. Drafting Petty in the 2nd I won't be mad at that either. Just means Geno has more competition and either he steps up or moves on. I personally would go WR and o-line in the 2nd and 3rd but whatever works.
Note: I just looked it up and Beasley isn't the one I was thinking of. He is 6'3", 235 lbs and didn't he gain weight to be 235 for the combine? I was thinking about Fowler Jr. who is 6'2", 260 lbs I believe. Like I said, I'm not familiar with either one of these guys so I can't say either way but if Beasley is the guy I'm thinking of, I hope it won't be another Aaron Maybin situation with him.
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I guess I look at the 7th rd as developmental practice squad players anyway. Im pretty sure last year idzik cut our 6th and 7th rd picks the day after we drafted them to save cap space.
I'm not sure I understand why would all those CB's would be gone for some reason. That's impossible to know with certainty and I would say difficult to even guess at. I would wait and see who that position shakes out as it's currently overstocked if anything which doesn't lend credence to throwing (yet) another young CB in there. That 7th rounder would most likely hit the PS and if he shows anything, he'll get plucked as Dixon (inexplicably) did lst year.
We don't know what McDougal brings nor whether Milliner can stay healthy (probably not likely) and Marcus Williams showed a lot and we still have Skrine who's actually locked up for a while. Walls is probably on the outside looking in but that hasn't yet been decided either.
I can think of better positions to develop with those 7th rounders and one might include a non-developmental type as in a punter...maybe Kyle Loomis from Portland State. I also think safety might be worth taking a flyer on here with the other 7th as we have Allen and Jarrett as the lead backups. Do we know what we have in either?